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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#161 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 14, 2024 5:55 am

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The problem last year wasn't just the ankle.. and anyone saying that is lying to their self. The problem was that he didnt adjust to the bum ankle AT ALL. He could have played decoy. He could have focused more on the glass and setting up others. Instead, he forced stupid shots and pouted when he got no results. He has fought with teammates, coaches, etc. The dude just has a terrible response to adversity... and, idc who you are, there is always going to be adversity... especially in the playoffs. No one is above it.


I do my best to compliment Randle when he plays well and this season he has played really well much of the time.

But he is the ultimate tease, because

HE WILL ALMOST ALWAYS LET YOU DOWN

Last game he was bad in the first half. He was on fire in the second half.

BUT

with 30 seconds to go and the game on the line, what does Randle do?

He stands in the paint aimlessly while bodies are flying all around trying to catch rebounds. He just turned around like a little girl doing spins on a grassy knoll without a care in the world.

AND HE DOES THIS ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I'm sick of having to depend on a guy who is so useless when you need him most.

You will never build a championship team with Randle as one of your primary options. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. This guy will always melt down at crucial times. He's not built for the playoffs and he will let us down again.

Trade him. Take all of those glorious points of his and trade his loser ass.


Exactly. What separates goos and bad teams is so much less than people realize. It's a handful of possessions. A couple of turnovers here. A few offensive rebounds there. A couple missed rotations. Not managing the clock right here. Forcing a shot there. To steal a quote from Coach Tony D'Amato: "The inches we need are everywhere around us."

Randle simply does not respect those aspects of the game. That precision. That concentration. That nuance. And, it will make the difference between winning and losing, unless we have enough margin-for-error, to compensate for it... which we do not.


Absolutely.

I was thinking about Randle today. I imagined if he was dropped into games vs. great players of the past (Jordan, Bird, Magic, anyone will do really) and how those guys would dismantle a guy like Randle. They'd literally punk him into a puddle of tear.

He really has none of the qualities of greatness, just a bunch of stats. A great player carries their desire to winning into the close of the game with that focus and intensity you're pointing out. They don't spazz out under pressure. They lock in.

Randle is nothing more than a journeyman scorer, neither a winner nor a compelling piece of any future championship team.

Randle will never collect a ring in his career.

No team in their right mind will make him one of their two primary options. We did and we even extended him and the result is another era of building around a player with a loser mentality. It won't work in the end.

We can only generate X amount of luck in the playoffs. We overcame the Cavs with just one good game from Randle. Miami exploited us.

How does anyone expect Randle to show up for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive series and keep his head on straight? It is never going to happen.

The playoffs are a testing ground that shreds weak minds and he is not fit for those battles.

His mental game is complete trash.
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#162 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:30 am

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I do my best to compliment Randle when he plays well and this season he has played really well much of the time.

But he is the ultimate tease, because

HE WILL ALMOST ALWAYS LET YOU DOWN

Last game he was bad in the first half. He was on fire in the second half.

BUT

with 30 seconds to go and the game on the line, what does Randle do?

He stands in the paint aimlessly while bodies are flying all around trying to catch rebounds. He just turned around like a little girl doing spins on a grassy knoll without a care in the world.

AND HE DOES THIS ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I'm sick of having to depend on a guy who is so useless when you need him most.

You will never build a championship team with Randle as one of your primary options. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. This guy will always melt down at crucial times. He's not built for the playoffs and he will let us down again.

Trade him. Take all of those glorious points of his and trade his loser ass.


Exactly. What separates goos and bad teams is so much less than people realize. It's a handful of possessions. A couple of turnovers here. A few offensive rebounds there. A couple missed rotations. Not managing the clock right here. Forcing a shot there. To steal a quote from Coach Tony D'Amato: "The inches we need are everywhere around us."

Randle simply does not respect those aspects of the game. That precision. That concentration. That nuance. And, it will make the difference between winning and losing, unless we have enough margin-for-error, to compensate for it... which we do not.


Absolutely.

I was thinking about Randle today. I imagined if he was dropped into games vs. great players of the past (Jordan, Bird, Magic, anyone will do really) and how those guys would dismantle a guy like Randle. They'd literally punk him into a puddle of tear.

He really has none of the qualities of greatness, just a bunch of stats. A great player carries their desire to winning into the close of the game with that focus and intensity you're pointing out. They don't spazz out under pressure. They lock in.

Randle is nothing more than a journeyman scorer, neither a winner nor a compelling piece of any future championship team.

Randle will never collect a ring in his career.

No team in their right mind will make him one of their two primary options. We did and we even extended him and the result is another era of building around a player with a loser mentality. It won't work in the end.

We can only generate X amount of luck in the playoffs. We overcame the Cavs with just one good game from Randle. Miami exploited us.

How does anyone expect Randle to show up for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive series and keep his head on straight? It is never going to happen.

The playoffs are a testing ground that shreds weak minds and he is not fit for those battles.

His mental game is complete trash.


Well damn.
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#163 » by Ursusamericanus » Sun Jan 14, 2024 6:51 am

On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#164 » by drekwins » Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:08 am

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drekwins wrote:
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I do my best to compliment Randle when he plays well and this season he has played really well much of the time.

But he is the ultimate tease, because

HE WILL ALMOST ALWAYS LET YOU DOWN

Last game he was bad in the first half. He was on fire in the second half.

BUT

with 30 seconds to go and the game on the line, what does Randle do?

He stands in the paint aimlessly while bodies are flying all around trying to catch rebounds. He just turned around like a little girl doing spins on a grassy knoll without a care in the world.

AND HE DOES THIS ALL THE DAMN TIME.

I'm sick of having to depend on a guy who is so useless when you need him most.

You will never build a championship team with Randle as one of your primary options. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. This guy will always melt down at crucial times. He's not built for the playoffs and he will let us down again.

Trade him. Take all of those glorious points of his and trade his loser ass.


Exactly. What separates goos and bad teams is so much less than people realize. It's a handful of possessions. A couple of turnovers here. A few offensive rebounds there. A couple missed rotations. Not managing the clock right here. Forcing a shot there. To steal a quote from Coach Tony D'Amato: "The inches we need are everywhere around us."

Randle simply does not respect those aspects of the game. That precision. That concentration. That nuance. And, it will make the difference between winning and losing, unless we have enough margin-for-error, to compensate for it... which we do not.


Absolutely.

I was thinking about Randle today. I imagined if he was dropped into games vs. great players of the past (Jordan, Bird, Magic, anyone will do really) and how those guys would dismantle a guy like Randle. They'd literally punk him into a puddle of tear.

He really has none of the qualities of greatness, just a bunch of stats. A great player carries their desire to winning into the close of the game with that focus and intensity you're pointing out. They don't spazz out under pressure. They lock in.

Randle is nothing more than a journeyman scorer, neither a winner nor a compelling piece of any future championship team.

Randle will never collect a ring in his career.

No team in their right mind will make him one of their two primary options. We did and we even extended him and the result is another era of building around a player with a loser mentality. It won't work in the end.

We can only generate X amount of luck in the playoffs. We overcame the Cavs with just one good game from Randle. Miami exploited us.

How does anyone expect Randle to show up for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive series and keep his head on straight? It is never going to happen.

The playoffs are a testing ground that shreds weak minds and he is not fit for those battles.

His mental game is complete trash.


Yep. He is much more Anotine Walker than those guys. A better natural scorer but really not that much different.
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#165 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:09 am

Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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:o

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Post#166 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 14, 2024 8:33 am

drekwins wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
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Exactly. What separates goos and bad teams is so much less than people realize. It's a handful of possessions. A couple of turnovers here. A few offensive rebounds there. A couple missed rotations. Not managing the clock right here. Forcing a shot there. To steal a quote from Coach Tony D'Amato: "The inches we need are everywhere around us."

Randle simply does not respect those aspects of the game. That precision. That concentration. That nuance. And, it will make the difference between winning and losing, unless we have enough margin-for-error, to compensate for it... which we do not.


Absolutely.

I was thinking about Randle today. I imagined if he was dropped into games vs. great players of the past (Jordan, Bird, Magic, anyone will do really) and how those guys would dismantle a guy like Randle. They'd literally punk him into a puddle of tear.

He really has none of the qualities of greatness, just a bunch of stats. A great player carries their desire to winning into the close of the game with that focus and intensity you're pointing out. They don't spazz out under pressure. They lock in.

Randle is nothing more than a journeyman scorer, neither a winner nor a compelling piece of any future championship team.

Randle will never collect a ring in his career.

No team in their right mind will make him one of their two primary options. We did and we even extended him and the result is another era of building around a player with a loser mentality. It won't work in the end.

We can only generate X amount of luck in the playoffs. We overcame the Cavs with just one good game from Randle. Miami exploited us.

How does anyone expect Randle to show up for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive series and keep his head on straight? It is never going to happen.

The playoffs are a testing ground that shreds weak minds and he is not fit for those battles.

His mental game is complete trash.


Yep. He is much more Anotine Walker than those guys. A better natural scorer but really not that much different.


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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#167 » by HopelessKnick » Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:02 am

Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Didn't see the game...was JJJ guarding him? May very well be one of the worst matchups for Randle. The good thing is that we can hopefully expect a bounce back game on Monday.
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#168 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:16 am

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Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Didn't see the game...was JJJ guarding him? May very well be one of the worst matchups for Randle. The good thing is that we can hopefully expect a bounce back game on Monday.


He was guarding himself.
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#169 » by Fat Kat » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:19 am

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Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Didn't see the game...was JJJ guarding him? May very well be one of the worst matchups for Randle. The good thing is that we can hopefully expect a bounce back game on Monday.


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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#170 » by robillionaire » Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:16 pm

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Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Didn't see the game...was JJJ guarding him? May very well be one of the worst matchups for Randle. The good thing is that we can hopefully expect a bounce back game on Monday.


He still had 24 11 and 5, he can bounce back by not turning the ball over 6 times and maybe doing better than 1-6 from 3 and go back to driving to the paint more but he will be ok
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Re: Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks? (video analysis) 

Post#171 » by cgmw » Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:52 pm

drekwins wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
drekwins wrote:
Exactly. What separates goos and bad teams is so much less than people realize. It's a handful of possessions. A couple of turnovers here. A few offensive rebounds there. A couple missed rotations. Not managing the clock right here. Forcing a shot there. To steal a quote from Coach Tony D'Amato: "The inches we need are everywhere around us."

Randle simply does not respect those aspects of the game. That precision. That concentration. That nuance. And, it will make the difference between winning and losing, unless we have enough margin-for-error, to compensate for it... which we do not.


Absolutely.

I was thinking about Randle today. I imagined if he was dropped into games vs. great players of the past (Jordan, Bird, Magic, anyone will do really) and how those guys would dismantle a guy like Randle. They'd literally punk him into a puddle of tear.

He really has none of the qualities of greatness, just a bunch of stats. A great player carries their desire to winning into the close of the game with that focus and intensity you're pointing out. They don't spazz out under pressure. They lock in.

Randle is nothing more than a journeyman scorer, neither a winner nor a compelling piece of any future championship team.

Randle will never collect a ring in his career.

No team in their right mind will make him one of their two primary options. We did and we even extended him and the result is another era of building around a player with a loser mentality. It won't work in the end.

We can only generate X amount of luck in the playoffs. We overcame the Cavs with just one good game from Randle. Miami exploited us.

How does anyone expect Randle to show up for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive series and keep his head on straight? It is never going to happen.

The playoffs are a testing ground that shreds weak minds and he is not fit for those battles.

His mental game is complete trash.


Yep. He is much more Anotine Walker than those guys. A better natural scorer but really not that much different.

Chiming in to say I saw Antoine at a Knick game some years back. He is so incredibly, preposterously fat that people kept asking if he was Shaq.

I doubt that’s ever Randle’s fate (maybe Mrs. Randle though), but Antoine Walker is the best player comp I’ve heard.
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Post#172 » by ohboy109 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:06 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:The first four parts, or so, cover Julius's history in the league from when he was drafted by the Lakers. It then covers his free agent signings with the Pelicans and then with the Knicks. The interesting parts of the video start at Part 5 which covers last season and the playoffs. It then covers this season up to the RJ/OG trade including the changes Julius has made to his game.

I think that once you watch it, you'll see how bad Randle's ankle was. It doesn't excuse everything but it provides enough context so that we shouldn't be burying him as a choke artist in the playoffs.



omg, i don't know if i have the time to watch a 40-minute randle doc. but i been saying you have to take the ankle into consideration for last season. man was going BRAZY last season until that happened. it's obvious he tried to play through it. randle ain't perfect, but i've never questioned his general/overall commitment, effort, and work ethic. all i really ever ask is he commit on defense and figure out how to keep his composure. even those things seem to be getting better. but we've also created a team environment conducive to maximizing him, which is nice to see.


I think he started showing signs of mental and physical fatigue before the ankle injury, but everything fell off a cliff after the ankle. I'm optimistic about him putting it all together this season for a few reasons:
- His decision-making and shot-selection are MUCH improved compared to prior years, even by his own admission in a Fred Katz article last week.

- He's been improving his temperament incrementally since the "thumbs down" season, and this year has been markedly better. I saw Jalen Brunson get between him and a ref this past week, and instead of shoving Brunson like he did with IQ last year, he accepted it and cooled off.

- The team is built better for him. The team Randle vs. team RJ nonsense boils down to Randle and RJ not fitting together. Everyone knew one of them had to go, but people picked sides instead of acknowledging that both guys would get better after a split. Randle will have better spacing and more defensive help to cover his flaws as a player, which overlap with RJ's (inconsistent shooting, lackluster defense, and losing their heads).

But i'm also not about to relitigate the past few seasons from Randle being problematic in a bunch of obvious ways. Anyone who grew up on 90's Knicks ball should recognize why older Knicks fans generally found his mentality off-putting. He's a great player, but the things he did poorly were particularly galling to people who grew up watching less talented guys get further by checking their egos.

But I'll repeat, Randle seems to have come around starting last season and especially this year. If you get the buy-in that guys like 90's players had under Riley but make them as gifted as Randle, it's a recipe that could be special. Playoff Brunson + THIS Randle with OG and the Center tandem defending...that's a tough 7 game series for damn near ANYBODY (the C's still feel like a bad match-up play for play, so they're my Eastern Conference exception).


Randle needs to go too only a dumb organization builds around a circus show like him..
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Post#173 » by DLTGWH » Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:08 pm

Why do people never expect Randle to have a bad game? It’s like he can score 30 five games in a row and as soon as he lays a dud people are ready to ship him out.

If the guy scored 40 every game and played mvp defense every game he’d be the best player or all time. I think that’s a little unreasonable for people to expect, no?

Let’s just enjoy an all time great Knick and hope this is the year he figures it out in the playoffs
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Post#174 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:20 pm

DLTGWH wrote:Why do people never expect Randle to have a bad game? It’s like he can score 30 five games in a row and as soon as he lays a dud people are ready to ship him out.

If the guy scored 40 every game and played mvp defense every game he’d be the best player or all time. I think that’s a little unreasonable for people to expect, no?

Let’s just enjoy an all time great Knick and hope this is the year he figures it out in the playoffs


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He takes off more plays than Jerome James and these kinds of moments also happen in the last two minutes of games consistently

If he was committed to winning he'd do what is needed to win, but he's mostly just interested in scoring

And before you say that's his role then and he can let the rest of the team seal the win I'll counter you with: We cannot afford our PF to lay down their shield when the game is on the line no matter if he scored 50 points for us. You cannot win when your frontline gives up on you with the game on the line

He checks out because that is who he is. His mind shuts down and he becomes a useless idiot when we need him most

He does this crap in the regular season and he has failed in the post-season so far. Not someone you can depend on
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Post#175 » by Ursusamericanus » Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:32 pm

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Ursusamericanus wrote:On his performance against the Grizzlies tonight. I couldn't agree more, the box score numbers look ok tonight, but his body language and sloppiness with the ball were complete trash.

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Didn't see the game...was JJJ guarding him? May very well be one of the worst matchups for Randle. The good thing is that we can hopefully expect a bounce back game on Monday.


JJJ was out, it was just a very meh performance that Randle should have dominated. He was by far the most talented (and decorated) player on the floor but looked like just another guy. Had a couple of nice drives, but his 3 ball was badly off, his passes were sloppy, and his defensive effort was anemic. And mopey body language overall. It was an opportunity for him to lead the guys and have a signature 40-point game and he flubbed it badly.

Good thing is that he admits it - a sign of growth. I'm mostly in the pro-Randle camp, btw, but I also recognize he's not a first option.
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Post#176 » by nykinoz » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:34 pm

Your best frontcourt defender has to guard Randle, or he'll drop 30 with his eyes closed. He may not be perfect, but he is an All Star calibre player who chose us, who gives us production at a rate that is better than at least 80% of the players who play his position.

I can live with Julius as my PF.
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Post#177 » by Besart19 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:35 pm

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Post#178 » by sol537 » Sun Jan 14, 2024 11:48 pm

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DLTGWH wrote:Why do people never expect Randle to have a bad game? It’s like he can score 30 five games in a row and as soon as he lays a dud people are ready to ship him out.

If the guy scored 40 every game and played mvp defense every game he’d be the best player or all time. I think that’s a little unreasonable for people to expect, no?

Let’s just enjoy an all time great Knick and hope this is the year he figures it out in the playoffs


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He takes off more plays than Jerome James and these kinds of moments also happen in the last two minutes of games consistently

If he was committed to winning he'd do what is needed to win, but he's mostly just interested in scoring

And before you say that's his role then and he can let the rest of the team seal the win I'll counter you with: We cannot afford our PF to lay down their shield when the game is on the line no matter if he scored 50 points for us. You cannot win when your frontline gives up on you with the game on the line

He checks out because that is who he is. His mind shuts down and he becomes a useless idiot when we need him most

He does this crap in the regular season and he has failed in the post-season so far. Not someone you can depend on


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Post#179 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:06 am

nykinoz wrote:Your best frontcourt defender has to guard Randle, or he'll drop 30 with his eyes closed. He may not be perfect, but he is an All Star calibre player who chose us, who gives us production at a rate that is better than at least 80% of the players who play his position.

I can live with Julius as my PF.


Anyone who can live with Randle can also live with the Knicks never contending for a championship
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Post#180 » by cgf » Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:01 am

DLTGWH wrote:Why do people never expect Randle to have a bad game? It’s like he can score 30 five games in a row and as soon as he lays a dud people are ready to ship him out.

If the guy scored 40 every game and played mvp defense every game he’d be the best player or all time. I think that’s a little unreasonable for people to expect, no?

Let’s just enjoy an all time great Knick and hope this is the year he figures it out in the playoffs


Because Julius isn't an MVP-caliber player, so people only focus on his flaws while ignoring their strengths :dontknow:

We're pretty lucky to have one of the most under-rated & under-paid stars in the NBA.
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