PG: Thibs runs team into the ground, wonders why we are short handed, lose to the Fake Allstar and Pacers

[Tron Carter]

We need Randle back for a few timely turnovers after playing 43 minutes to help this loss feel complete.

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if you dont think Randle is important to this team idk what to tell you

[RHODEY]

People can talk about the guards and wings all they like but the fact remains there are 96 mins of center and power forward minutes in every NBA game when the Knicks have only Precious, Taj, Hart and Bogs to play those 96 minutes this game and every game until the Knicks get someone back healthy or from wherever.

There are 5 players that are 6-8 and taller injured right now, the fact that the FO didn't think it was an important enough need to address at the trade deadline seems a bit short-sighted. They did alot in trades this season, but this one miscalculation might lower this team's ceiling for this season.

This tells me that Mitch's comeback is a lot closer than we anticipate.

[Juco24]

4 starters out and 2 new players and people are crying. Some of yall are entitled and delusional

It's honestly unreal. I guess some are just glass half empty sort of people.

[Fat Kat]

How does Dmytro Skapintsev look? Can’t be worse then Taj

Sims needs to bring his arse back. These guys really have to take care of their health, so that they can capitalize during times like this. Some guys gut their way through adversity, some guys don’t. If someone is signed, they can take Sims spot as far as I’m concerned

[Kampuchea]

We need Randle back for a few timely turnovers after playing 43 minutes to help this loss feel complete.

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if you dont think Randle is important to this team idk what to tell you

Randle is one of the best PF at generating looks for his teammates, without him OG and at least one center we can hope to win half our games. Just hope we can hold home court for the first round until they come back.

[Chuck Everett]

How does Dmytro Skapintsev look? Can’t be worse then Taj

Sims needs to bring his arse back. These guys really have to take care of their health, so that they can capitalize during times like this. Some guys gut their way through adversity, some guys don’t. If someone is signed, they can take Sims spot as far as I’m concerned

When has Sims not been available when called upon in his career? If he's sick/injured, I see no reason not to believe it. Thibs just needs to use those two-way players if necessary and stop being stubborn.

[Deeeez Knicks]

How does Dmytro Skapintsev look? Can’t be worse then Taj

Sims needs to bring his arse back. These guys really have to take care of their health, so that they can capitalize during times like this. Some guys gut their way through adversity, some guys don’t. If someone is signed, they can take Sims spot as far as I’m concerned

We could def use Sims back. I can’t really judge since I don’t know how sick he is. They might not want him spreading anything around if he’s real sick too.

[KnixinSix]

We need Randle back for a few timely turnovers after playing 43 minutes to help this loss feel complete.

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if you dont think Randle is important to this team idk what to tell you

This is absolute great perspective. Randle is not perfect but his effect on this team is profound.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Just gotta get through these next games with no more injuries. And Leon really needs to bring in more bigs.

[Fat Kat]

How does Dmytro Skapintsev look? Can’t be worse then Taj

Sims needs to bring his arse back. These guys really have to take care of their health, so that they can capitalize during times like this. Some guys gut their way through adversity, some guys don’t. If someone is signed, they can take Sims spot as far as I’m concerned

We could def use Sims back. I can’t really judge since I don’t know how sick he is. They might not want him spreading anything around if he’s real sick too.

Good point, but he was in the building and considered a game time decision. Taj is fighting for his life out there.

[The Lamma]

How does Dmytro Skapintsev look? Can’t be worse then Taj

Skap looked interesting in summer league. He's averaging roughly 11, 8.5, 4 assists and 2 blocks.

The one thing that stood out was his passing ability for a big. Flip side is he's slow of foot. Can't recall what his defense looked like, maybe somebody else can help out here

But we could definitely use his size atm at 7' 1"

[FrozenEnvelope]

I get the minutes police complaining about leaving the starters in there with a minute left considering the injury risk and I too share the frustration but Indiana also had their starters in there if I remember correctly.

It is what it is. Thibs isn't gonna change and he isn't the only HC who does this. I don't get it.

[nykballa2k4]

People can talk about the guards and wings all they like but the fact remains there are 96 mins of center and power forward minutes in every NBA game when the Knicks have only Precious, Taj, Hart and Bogs to play those 96 minutes this game and every game until the Knicks get someone back healthy or from wherever.

There are 5 players that are 6-8 and taller injured right now, the fact that the FO didn't think it was an important enough need to address at the trade deadline seems a bit short-sighted. They did alot in trades this season, but this one miscalculation might lower this team's ceiling for this season.

This tells me that Mitch's comeback is a lot closer than we anticipate.

Hahn -- Knicks mouthpiece -- still has Mitch as an IF not a WHEN re: return.
I think they underrate iHarts injury, Hart's injury and undervalue the need for a playmaker along with Brunson. Ideally when OG gets back, we should send Hart to Germany for 2 weeks so they can use illegal means to fix his leg.
There are real solutions out there ie Cousins, Dwight Howard, Gay, but none of those feels like moves we are prone to do.
Morris -- so much as I don't care for him -- might just be our best option.

[thebuzzardman]

Need at least 1 or 2 of OG, Randle, Ihart, Mitch back soon.

Judging newly acquired players way too early after one game...Knicksbus.gif

Judgments made in the first quarter

Our issue right now is that all our most important defenders are out. We're not going to win games without our rim protectors or OG. Thibs's defensive scheme - which has proven to yield great results - relies on them being fit to play.

Burks and Bogdanovic definitely compound the issue with these players out. They just can't defend anymore. But they were not brought in to be relied upon to contribute as they are now.

Bogdanovic will likely play 15-20 minutes a game when OG and Randle come back. Burks will likely play 10-15 minutes a game by the time the playoffs start, if he plays at all.

That will be the moment to judge the trade, not right now. And I've been more skeptical about it than most (though not as critical as KG).

The question to this question is, how many games are left in the season before that happens, is that enough time for the team to get ready in the playoffs, and will the team lose enough positioning as it inevitably slides in the standings, to have a good match up in the playoffs, or instead will it draw an opponent that bounces it in the first round anyway?

I'm not against the trade. Basically, the Knicks sacrificed Grimes to get rid of Founier to get an actual useful, playable, Fournier like player. This isn't a criticism of BogBog. He's good. He can fill the roll (better) than they probably envisioned for Fournier, better because he can play 3/4, instead of Fournier's 3/2, besides the fact that Fournier was and is complete ass on defense, while Bogs is just meh, but that's ok.

I find it interesting that people were treating the team as it was the same team that existed 2 weeks before the trade.

That team might be back in 5 weeks. Once it's reassembled, it MIGHT have time to jell for the playoffs.
But it might not.

Still a good trade, so the Knicks have SOME kind of depth as they limp towards the playoffs.

And make no mistake. Brunson is awesome and makes this collection of players better than they would be, but the team is now a borderline playoff team, quality wise, until Randle and OG are back, iHart is healthy, and whatever rusty Mitch might be able to contribute, also probably in 4 or 5 weeks.

I'll just accept the fact the Knicks are going to play .400 ball for a while. Reality sucks.

[Fat Kat]

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[thebuzzardman]

Grimes: Afraid to shoot
Burks: Knicks fans afraid he'll never stop shooting

[Jeff Van Gully]

Need at least 1 or 2 of OG, Randle, Ihart, Mitch back soon.

Judging newly acquired players way too early after one game...Knicksbus.gif

Judgments made in the first quarter

Our issue right now is that all our most important defenders are out. We're not going to win games without our rim protectors or OG. Thibs's defensive scheme - which has proven to yield great results - relies on them being fit to play.

Burks and Bogdanovic definitely compound the issue with these players out. They just can't defend anymore. But they were not brought in to be relied upon to contribute as they are now.

Bogdanovic will likely play 15-20 minutes a game when OG and Randle come back. Burks will likely play 10-15 minutes a game by the time the playoffs start, if he plays at all.

That will be the moment to judge the trade, not right now. And I've been more skeptical about it than most (though not as critical as KG).

I agree. I’ll take the wins we can get, but I know what I’m looking at without crucial pieces on both sides.

[3toheadmelo]

We need Randle back for a few timely turnovers after playing 43 minutes to help this loss feel complete.

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if you dont think Randle is important to this team idk what to tell you

Randle is one of the best PF at generating looks for his teammates, without him OG and at least one center we can hope to win half our games. Just hope we can hold home court for the first round until they come back.

some of us have been saying this for years. people now starting to catch up.

[louisorr]

I get the minutes police complaining about leaving the starters in there with a minute left considering the injury risk and I too share the frustration but Indiana also had their starters in there if I remember correctly.

It is what it is. Thibs isn't gonna change and he isn't the only HC who does this. I don't get it.

yeah but you can keep them out there when nobody on the team averages more than 30 minutes per game because of the season long rotation patterns by Carlisle. Hali averages 31, he's the exception.

that's the difference that the fans are lamenting with psycho Thibs.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Judgments made in the first quarter

Our issue right now is that all our most important defenders are out. We're not going to win games without our rim protectors or OG. Thibs's defensive scheme - which has proven to yield great results - relies on them being fit to play.

Burks and Bogdanovic definitely compound the issue with these players out. They just can't defend anymore. But they were not brought in to be relied upon to contribute as they are now.

Bogdanovic will likely play 15-20 minutes a game when OG and Randle come back. Burks will likely play 10-15 minutes a game by the time the playoffs start, if he plays at all.

That will be the moment to judge the trade, not right now. And I've been more skeptical about it than most (though not as critical as KG).

The question to this question is, how many games are left in the season before that happens, is that enough time for the team to get ready in the playoffs, and will the team lose enough positioning as it inevitably slides in the standings, to have a good match up in the playoffs, or instead will it draw an opponent that bounces it in the first round anyway?

I'm not against the trade. Basically, the Knicks sacrificed Grimes to get rid of Founier to get an actual useful, playable, Fournier like player. This isn't a criticism of BogBog. He's good. He can fill the roll (better) than they probably envisioned for Fournier, better because he can play 3/4, instead of Fournier's 3/2, besides the fact that Fournier was and is complete ass on defense, while Bogs is just meh, but that's ok.

I find it interesting that people were treating the team as it was the same team that existed 2 weeks before the trade.

That team might be back in 5 weeks. Once it's reassembled, it MIGHT have time to jell for the playoffs.
But it might not.

Still a good trade, so the Knicks have SOME kind of depth as they limp towards the playoffs.

And make no mistake. Brunson is awesome and makes this collection of players better than they would be, but the team is now a borderline playoff team, quality wise, until Randle and OG are back, iHart is healthy, and whatever rusty Mitch might be able to contribute, also probably in 4 or 5 weeks.

I'll just accept the fact the Knicks are going to play .400 ball for a while. Reality sucks.

I bet they still play .500+ ball in the meantime. But word.