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stuporman wrote:I blame Buzz, he went out partying in Salt Lake City enjoying that 'sister wives' experience it effected the Knicks performance. Sad he cares more about his laziness not wanting to make game threads he doesn't want the Knicks to keep winning. Terrible person.
Reign23 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Reign23 wrote:gratz brother! Today, I am happy for you!
Damn, you're admitting you're happy the Knicks lost. I figured you were a closet Toronto fan
nice try!
but you’re happy so I guess do you!
thebuzzardman wrote:stuporman wrote:I blame Buzz, he went out partying in Salt Lake City enjoying that 'sister wives' experience it effected the Knicks performance. Sad he cares more about his laziness not wanting to make game threads he doesn't want the Knicks to keep winning. Terrible person.
I admit it. I have a weakness for cult based sex.
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If there are too many mouths then why take out the fifth option guy? Bridges for Precious/Mitch makes so much more sense.The KnicksFix wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:spree2kawhi wrote:If I’m the opposition, I’m forcing a 6‘4 PF to switch into the rolling big in the PnR… and if he doesn’t switch, I’m probably looking at two good shots.
Exactly. And as much as I’m getting on Mikal, he’s actually making life difficult whenever the opposition penetrates. It’s on the pick and roll that he’s getting abused out on the perimeter.
The fix for this is simple. As much as hart does all the little things, aka pushing the tempo and rebounding, his defense is a huge liability. I would take him out of the starting lineup and keep JB, deuce, OG, KAT, and precious/mitch. Precious or Mitch in the starting lineup doesn’t matter, they’ll basically do the same job of protecting the paint. If we make this change, we’re now sliding OG to Hart’s position, KAT to og’s position, and Mitch or precious qr kat’s. These adjustments have to be made because a bench of hart, Payne, Mikal and precious/ Mitch is still tough.
These simple changes will help a few things,
1. You’re putting two 7 footers in the paint with KAT or Mitch/ precious. If KAT gets beat on the perimeter, the opposing penetrator still has to deal with Mitch in the paint and og on weak side help.
2. Deuce is a better perimeter defender than mikal in the paint not so much, but we will now have a back line of Mitch/ precious , KAT and OG. Deuce fights over screens and slips under them without getting bumped off.
3. Deuce can ball handle and relieve the pressure from JB bringing the ball up the court which wears him down as the game progresses.
4. Payne and Mikal have a connection going on. Mikal plays better with Payne.
5. There are too many mouths to feed in the current starting lineup. Brunson is trying to get all other players in the court involved (except hart). He thrives when he’s the offensive juggernaut. By starting Mitch or Precious with deuce, you now have TWO players that don’t demand the ball as much and KAT, Brunson and OG can get to work.
Make the damn changes when the lineup starts to get healthy. And we don’t have to wait until January for Mitch. We can start with deuce and precious when they are back.
3toheadmelo wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.
The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.
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That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.
There's literally clips in there of him guarding Wemby and leaving him to protect the rim. Is Wemby not a big time offensive threat?
You can post all the clips you want about KAT too and blame everyone else but the guy simply doesn't have the IQ to switch and rim protect like Houston is doing with Sengun. He's out here switching and guarding multiple players like we saw Hukporti do for us that night when he played. If Huk can do it then I am pretty sure it isn't a scheme issue.
And the Knicks have actually put KAT on the worst shooter to let him protect the rim and he still couldn't do it. There's a clips in here that show KAT being left on Giddey, Amen Thompson so he can protect the rim and he does nothing.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/11/18/24299280/karl-anthony-towns-new-york-knicks-offense-defenseRight now, it’s a delicate dance until Robinson and Achiuwa return. Even then, there are issues that may just be endemic with Towns at the five—sometimes, in those aforementioned situations where Anunoby is guarding the center and KAT is hiding out on a lower-usage option, no rotation ever comes. Here he is 2.9-ing the paint as Alperen Sengun drives by Anunoby—who’s shading Houston’s center towards help that never comes from the baseline—for a layup:And here, against the Bulls, Anunoby checks Nikola Vucevic so Towns can stick to Josh Giddey. Bridges could’ve done a better job staying attached at the point of attack, but again, no help comes:Just how troubling has it been? Opponents are shooting 70.8 percent at the rim when KAT’s on the court and 54.2 percent when he’s off it. (The league average is currently 65.7 percent.) More directly, according to Bball-Index, opposing field goal percentages at the rim when Towns defends a shot are 13.1 percent higher than the shooter’s expected average. This number is so terrible for a big man that the second worst starting center in the category is Vucevic at … 4.8 percent.
I posted a clip showing how the Rockets defend, and in contrast we don't defend like that. I want to see us switch more like the Rockets, at least to try something that fits what KAT is more. I point out the Rockets have a similar roster construction as us, and you say Sengun is a good rim protector and I tell you it's how they use him that helps. I don't even know what your argument is here, are you trying to imply that we defend screens like the Rockets? 
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
They don't put him in a drop, they switch and they bench him in games for Jabari, using DFG% to point out he's a good rim protector is ignoring how they use him to achieve that. If we did the things they do, KAT would be better.
This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.
The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.
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That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.
The KnicksFix wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Such a downer tonight after being on a high after the Suns game and winning streak. Something needs to change
We need our bench back. Thibs is gonna Thibs but, Deuce/Precious will make a difference. Eventually Mitch will be back as well. We just don't have a full team yet. Thibs just isn't gonna trust the rookies.
Deuce/Payne/Precious/Mitch with Sims/Dadiet in the wings. I'm gonna remain calm until then.
Idunno bro. When tasked with this starting 5 we do NOT play defense. The discipline isn’t there ln defense and Mikal is sloppy sloppy sloppy. I think it’s got to be deuce to start, Mikal and Hart, to the bench with KAT and Mitch or precious at the 5
This is horrible defense to watch.
RIP mags The KnicksFix wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:This isn’t about being in drop coverage or not. It’s simply about knowing how to contest shots.
The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.
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That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.
Exactly this !
We don’t switch even though we have the most switchable lineup.
WaltFrazier wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:WaltFrazier wrote:Such a downer tonight after being on a high after the Suns game and winning streak. Something needs to change
We need our bench back. Thibs is gonna Thibs but, Deuce/Precious will make a difference. Eventually Mitch will be back as well. We just don't have a full team yet. Thibs just isn't gonna trust the rookies.
Deuce/Payne/Precious/Mitch with Sims/Dadiet in the wings. I'm gonna remain calm until then.
I can't wait for them to get back, too. But then we haven't had a starter miss a game yet. One of those injuries would really hurt.
RIP mags Jalen Bluntson wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
We need our bench back. Thibs is gonna Thibs but, Deuce/Precious will make a difference. Eventually Mitch will be back as well. We just don't have a full team yet. Thibs just isn't gonna trust the rookies.
Deuce/Payne/Precious/Mitch with Sims/Dadiet in the wings. I'm gonna remain calm until then.
Idunno bro. When tasked with this starting 5 we do NOT play defense. The discipline isn’t there ln defense and Mikal is sloppy sloppy sloppy. I think it’s got to be deuce to start, Mikal and Hart, to the bench with KAT and Mitch or precious at the 5
This is horrible defense to watch.
The scheme is the issue. We should be switching more and defending the perimeter more than the paint. Every team is shooting threes more than looking to attack the paint. You also just listed the players we don't have right now. We need our bench back. I would not be opposed to adding Deuce and/or Precious/(Mitch) to the starting lineup and seeing what that looks like but, we seem to lose games do to tired legs(4th quarter collapses) and, teams shooting lights out from 3(scheme). We need our bench players back to answer either of those issues. They all play defense. Mitch clogs the paint and will be out for a while. Starting him changes the way we play offense as well.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:The KnicksFix wrote:
Idunno bro. When tasked with this starting 5 we do NOT play defense. The discipline isn’t there ln defense and Mikal is sloppy sloppy sloppy. I think it’s got to be deuce to start, Mikal and Hart, to the bench with KAT and Mitch or precious at the 5
This is horrible defense to watch.
The scheme is the issue. We should be switching more and defending the perimeter more than the paint. Every team is shooting threes more than looking to attack the paint. You also just listed the players we don't have right now. We need our bench back. I would not be opposed to adding Deuce and/or Precious/(Mitch) to the starting lineup and seeing what that looks like but, we seem to lose games do to tired legs(4th quarter collapses) and, teams shooting lights out from 3(scheme). We need our bench players back to answer either of those issues. They all play defense. Mitch clogs the paint and will be out for a while. Starting him changes the way we play offense as well.
Should have been switched, OG onto George and Brunson fighting Collins in the post with backside help from KAT. Instead, we ask Brunson to go under and late contest.
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Jalen Bluntson wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
The scheme is the issue. We should be switching more and defending the perimeter more than the paint. Every team is shooting threes more than looking to attack the paint. You also just listed the players we don't have right now. We need our bench back. I would not be opposed to adding Deuce and/or Precious/(Mitch) to the starting lineup and seeing what that looks like but, we seem to lose games do to tired legs(4th quarter collapses) and, teams shooting lights out from 3(scheme). We need our bench players back to answer either of those issues. They all play defense. Mitch clogs the paint and will be out for a while. Starting him changes the way we play offense as well.
Should have been switched, OG onto George and Brunson fighting Collins in the post with backside help from KAT. Instead, we ask Brunson to go under and late contest.
Every time we are on defense...players are sagging off guys on the perimeter to guard the paint. Leaving someone wide open for a kick out as we scramble to get out to him. That on top of fighting over/going under screens instead of switching leaves too many wide open looks from three. If a team gets hot, we usually lose. If teams are missing those looks we usually win. How about we eliminate those looks all together and guard the ball more than the paint. This isn't 10-20 years ago. Teams have 7 footers going off from three against us. Thibs needs to wake up.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
The Rockets don't play defense like we do, again, they switch and have him meet guys at the level on screens. In your clip he's even guarding Hart in the game against us and leaving him to go protect the rim, when is the last time we put KAT on the worst shooter in a lineup so he could roam? You can look for as many videos as you want, they do not run the same scheme as us.
?t=D7adYlKatXr92IJa1OYaWQ&s=19
That is how they play defense, where as all anyone has to do is watch our game last night, we were dying on one screen because we kept going over or under them and not switching. One pass and a three without even getting into the paint because we refused to switch against Lauri.
There's literally clips in there of him guarding Wemby and leaving him to protect the rim. Is Wemby not a big time offensive threat?
You can post all the clips you want about KAT too and blame everyone else but the guy simply doesn't have the IQ to switch and rim protect like Houston is doing with Sengun. He's out here switching and guarding multiple players like we saw Hukporti do for us that night when he played. If Huk can do it then I am pretty sure it isn't a scheme issue.
And the Knicks have actually put KAT on the worst shooter to let him protect the rim and he still couldn't do it. There's a clips in here that show KAT being left on Giddey, Amen Thompson so he can protect the rim and he does nothing.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/11/18/24299280/karl-anthony-towns-new-york-knicks-offense-defenseRight now, it’s a delicate dance until Robinson and Achiuwa return. Even then, there are issues that may just be endemic with Towns at the five—sometimes, in those aforementioned situations where Anunoby is guarding the center and KAT is hiding out on a lower-usage option, no rotation ever comes. Here he is 2.9-ing the paint as Alperen Sengun drives by Anunoby—who’s shading Houston’s center towards help that never comes from the baseline—for a layup:And here, against the Bulls, Anunoby checks Nikola Vucevic so Towns can stick to Josh Giddey. Bridges could’ve done a better job staying attached at the point of attack, but again, no help comes:Just how troubling has it been? Opponents are shooting 70.8 percent at the rim when KAT’s on the court and 54.2 percent when he’s off it. (The league average is currently 65.7 percent.) More directly, according to Bball-Index, opposing field goal percentages at the rim when Towns defends a shot are 13.1 percent higher than the shooter’s expected average. This number is so terrible for a big man that the second worst starting center in the category is Vucevic at … 4.8 percent.
You shot yourself in the foot here, because Sengun isn't the primary defender on Victor, he guards Sochan and ends up on Victor on switches while Brooks has been the primary defender on Victor for 2 years now. Brooks has spent 20 minutes guarding Wemby this season, the next closest person has spent 8 mins. I guarantee when we play the Rockets, KAT will be on Victor the entire game, and not OG.
You didn't even watch the game last night, so how are you going to say I'm trying to blame everyone but KAT
The info dump post of DFG% for KAT isn't for me, because we already went over how he was better at C with the Wolves than he is now, 7 seasons of data and he was sub 60%.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Should have been switched, OG onto George and Brunson fighting Collins in the post with backside help from KAT. Instead, we ask Brunson to go under and late contest.
Every time we are on defense...players are sagging off guys on the perimeter to guard the paint. Leaving someone wide open for a kick out as we scramble to get out to him. That on top of fighting over/going under screens instead of switching leaves too many wide open looks from three. If a team gets hot, we usually lose. If teams are missing those looks we usually win. How about we eliminate those looks all together and guard the ball more than the paint. This isn't 10-20 years ago. Teams have 7 footers going off from three against us. Thibs needs to wake up.
Since he took over we have been
Opponents 3s per game
2020-2021 - 10th
2021-2022 - 19th
2022-2023 - 27th
2023-2024 - 10th
2024-2025 - 27th
Considering how slow of a pace we play at we've never been great at limiting threes, we protect the paint at the cost of giving up threes, which worked when teams were taking 10-20 per game but is disastrous when teams have a good shooting night and take a high volume.
RIP mags 
Spree2Houston wrote:Yeah we need to start Mitch come playoff time. I will sacrifice offense for some defense. We can go 5 out depending on matchups.
Brunson/Payne
McBride/Hart
Anunoby/Bridges
KAT/Precious
Robinson/KAT
