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Chanel Bomber wrote:Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.
Chanel Bomber wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:**** that and **** him.
He was a paid mercenary.
He got his gold in blood, he gets no praise for that.
Selfish sniveling pouting lunatic.
Randle is who those who hate on Melo think he is.
i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.
randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.
I don't support blaming players for taking the money they can get. It's a business, and workers shouldn't be expected to take less money than they are offered. Any moralistic stance on it is BS in my view.
That's why I also hate how some (very few) fans blamed OG for signing a big contract.
The people who should be held accountable are the FOs who manage the books and build the rosters.
Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Same actions as 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3tothehead really pulled a tkf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hate to say it but 3tothehead was a Fraud Folksssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really hate to see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Capn'O wrote:Ok. Now this thread is taking off.
JayTWill wrote:Capn'O wrote:Ok. Now this thread is taking off.
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
JayTWill wrote:Capn'O wrote:Ok. Now this thread is taking off.
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
Capn'O wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.
Remember when Melo was signing that contract Phil said he gave him five different options? If I were a betting man I'd guess he was offered:
- 5 years, full value, opt out after year 2
- Less than what he accepted, no NTC
- A shorter contract.
- The one he signed
- Full value but with some mix of team and player options
Just speculation but given Phil's Zen shenanigans those contract differ in ways where which one he chooses provides different information about Melo to him. Which was more his game than, you know, building a good team. But the other point being that I don't think people really understood how much money he left on the table by taking the contract he did. In 2016, Evan Turner, who was trash, signed a 4-yr $70 million deal. If Melo had taken a deal where he opted out then he could have made a lot more going forward. Probably to the tune of 5-10mil annually. But he also liked things guaranteed
The NTC provided some security that he'd control his destiny but he actually left a LOT of money on the table to the point where the Knicks had a TON of cap space in 2017. That was also part of his calculus. What they did with that money was... unfortunate. The NTC didn't really **** us. Phil being a terrible manager did.
Melo's game left a lot to be desired for me but I actually think he really tried to do right by the Knicks and the City. Like Randle, I think it's really hard to build a champion with him but he brought us to respectability.
RIP mags
Capn'O wrote:JayTWill wrote:Capn'O wrote:Ok. Now this thread is taking off.
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
They're coming.
Capn'O wrote:JayTWill wrote:Capn'O wrote:Ok. Now this thread is taking off.
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
They're coming.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Capn'O wrote:JayTWill wrote:
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
They're coming.
The most vocal people about the trade have all stopped posting. Spending weeks telling us how bad KAT was and how this was a disaster, now nothing.
robillionaire wrote:TheGreenArrow wrote:
Same actions as 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3tothehead really pulled a tkf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hate to say it but 3tothehead was a Fraud Folksssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really hate to see it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to warn him pivoting to towns was the play but he decided to follow sham to hell. Sad state of affairs
Capn'O wrote:KnicksGadfly wrote:Juco24 wrote:
I was one who supported Randle... but watching his selfishness last night -- quite disappointing and definitely glad he's no longer a Knick. BITCH!
Eh, I’m one who disliked Randle, then supported Randle, then stopped supporting Randle. However, I gotta push back on this one.
This is a tough loss for him. His former team comes to team, blows out his current team. That’s already bad. Then the guy who they traded you for had an amazing unicorn performance. And then the crowd is booing, which we know Randle hates. Not to mention the trade rumors around him already.
Hell, I wouldn’t talk to anybody too.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:me, you and Cha all agreed
Capn'O wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Capn'O wrote:
They're coming.
The most vocal people about the trade have all stopped posting. Spending weeks telling us how bad KAT was and how this was a disaster, now nothing.
And the good peoples of RealGM Knicks have returned.
Another battlefront will arise. Like Sauron, they are never fully defeated.
robillionaire wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:Jeff Van Gully wrote:
i find this take so weird about players who take less than max money out of the kindness of the hearts. even if the player is flawed, dudes really leave money on the table on purpose and get talked about like this.
randle and melo aren't the same level of player. but they both did that. i don't think it was unreasonable to want his max after taking a team-friendly deal prior.
I don't support blaming players for taking the money they can get. It's a business, and workers shouldn't be expected to take less money than they are offered. Any moralistic stance on it is BS in my view.
That's why I also hate how some (very few) fans blamed OG for signing a big contract.
The people who should be held accountable are the FOs who manage the books and build the rosters.
Phil Jackson is the one who did us dirty with the NTC. He could have had the foresight to let him go if the NTC was such a deal-breaker for Melo. Giving him that power was a stupid executive decision. But Melo had every right to exercise it once given.
Main one that gets me is Hartenstein. People think he should have taken a 50% annual pay cut to stay here. I’m sure he liked playing here but nobody should reasonably expected to walk away from that kind of money. Plus his new team is also good so it’s not like he took the money from some losing organization just to get paid and not compete
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Capn'O wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
The most vocal people about the trade have all stopped posting. Spending weeks telling us how bad KAT was and how this was a disaster, now nothing.
And the good peoples of RealGM Knicks have returned.
Another battlefront will arise. Like Sauron, they are never fully defeated.
There were 3 KAT post trade threads, nothing is coming close to that anytime soon. Lots of farewell posts, bannings, someone going to prison and casualties came from that. Lines were drawn in the sand that can't be undone, it was pretty obvious people wanted the trade to fail so they can push narratives.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Capn'O wrote:JayTWill wrote:
Nope, this thread is still missing a certain element that it was created for and I blame the mods for their premature warnings that may have possibly prevented the thread from seeing its full potential. This is the fight thread. WHERE ARE THE FIGHTS!!!!!
Constant bickering across the board for years just to come here and see everyone agreeing that they are glad Randle is gone?????
I'm disappointed.
They're coming.
The most vocal people about the trade have all stopped posting. Spending weeks telling us how bad KAT was and how this was a disaster, now nothing.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
Capn'O wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Capn'O wrote:
And the good peoples of RealGM Knicks have returned.
Another battlefront will arise. Like Sauron, they are never fully defeated.
There were 3 KAT post trade threads, nothing is coming close to that anytime soon. Lots of farewell posts, bannings, someone going to prison and casualties came from that. Lines were drawn in the sand that can't be undone, it was pretty obvious people wanted the trade to fail so they can push narratives.
I don't get how you can live through Layden, Isiah, Marbury, Larry Brown, Curry, Phil, Steve Mills, Fizdale, and so much more and THIS was the straw that broke it. Acquiring a multi-time All Star in his prime, when you're already good. Like, at worst, you're gonna be not quite as good if the fit doesn't pan.
Oh but it is panning.
