PG: Knicks vs. Celtics: At least that 3rd quarter was encouraging...

[HopelessKnick]

I think the obvious miss was not doing the Kessler trade when Ainge was looking for 2 FRPs.....imagine having Kessler and Mitch on the roster and 3 more FRPs to play with.....

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I have to ask about Mikal's use on offense.

What's his role in this system? What plays are called for him?

Do people just want him to go rip the ball out of brunson hands. He's pretty reliant on someone passing him the ball since we rarely use him as the on ball shot creator.

It would be nice if we utilized his strengths. Run him off some pin down screens like DET did with Rip Hamilton. Mikals cooks in that mid range area.

Maybe should try to get him going early.

To many times he goes 5-6 possessions without even touching the ball especially early in the game.

He was at 27.3% and 23.7% play frequency as the PnR ball handler with the Nets, he's down to 9.5% with us.

He's posting up entirely too much with us as well.

I know people are complaining but what the solution here. His usage is down. And even the spots he's getting the ball is in not EFF options like post ups.

We could run him more on ball and have brunson some off ball since he's pretty EFF in catch and shoot as well.

Or use Mikal off ball in some screens. Too many times his first few shot are 3's just like OG. And they are too and far between. Tough to get into a rhythm.

We certainly should run more scripted plays. The system just is too much freelance.

We're 18th in the league in PnR frequency, the Rockets don't have a single elite creator and they spam picks. We have a weird offense that is a lot of Brunson iso, with KAT getting the ball and just driving without any real action. We're tied for first in the league in terms with 1.03 PPP, but don't run the play enough, same with threes, we're 27th in the league for attempts per game there.

Mikal should get on ball reps with KAT screening for him, force him into more situations with the ball.

[3toheadmelo]

You're entitled to your opinion about KAT's best position.

But not making the trade would not have brought iHart back, and wouldn't have made Mitch recover faster. And they were the ones anchoring our defense, not Randle.

Without either iHart or Mitch, our defense would have been just as bad with Randle as it is now.

Idk, it sounded like the Knicks were trying to get a big man before they moved Randle. We likely would have somoene else at the 5.

Either way it isn't about randle anymore, it's about kat. He's been unplayable against the top contenders. That's our issue now, not randle.

You're the one who posted a tweet that criticized the trade

Whatever move they would have made for a 5 then, they could have made after the trade.

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

[robillionaire]

Don’t let melo off the hook for precious. Wanted to draft him. 15 mins 0-2 0 pts. Dude blows

That's more mins than Knox has played in the nba in the past 2 years

SPOKE TOO SOON!!! 5 points on Friday. Three deeply meaningful minutes! We are so back

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/kevin-knox-meaningful-minutes-win-kings/1829802/?amp=1

SACRAMENTO – His smile wasn’t going away anytime soon.

Not as Kevin Knox dapped a long line of teammates and tapped them on the chest walking off the Golden 1 Center court Friday night after the Warriors’ blowout win over the Sacramento Kings. Not as he and Kings assistant coach Jim Moran, the man Knox credits with bringing his love for the game back as his head coach of the Rip City Remix last season in his first G League stint, embraced for a long and deeply meaningful hug. Not walking down the tunnel, and definitely not in the locker room.

Knox has scored 30 points five times this season, and he has 19 20-point games to his name. None compared to the five points he scored Friday night.

“That was my best three minutes of the year,” Knox said to NBC Sports Bay Area.

[robillionaire]

Idk, it sounded like the Knicks were trying to get a big man before they moved Randle. We likely would have somoene else at the 5.

Either way it isn't about randle anymore, it's about kat. He's been unplayable against the top contenders. That's our issue now, not randle.

You're the one who posted a tweet that criticized the trade

Whatever move they would have made for a 5 then, they could have made after the trade.

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

Mitchell Robinson is on the roster and is a homeless and perpetually injured version of Rudy Gobert so worst case scenario we just play him and we have the same sort of lineup where towns beat the defending champion nuggets in the playoffs last year en route to conference finals so it’s all good

[robillionaire]

I think the obvious miss was not doing the Kessler trade when Ainge was looking for 2 FRPs.....imagine having Kessler and Mitch on the roster and 3 more FRPs to play with.....

The obvious miss was

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell

[3toheadmelo]

You're the one who posted a tweet that criticized the trade

Whatever move they would have made for a 5 then, they could have made after the trade.

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

Mitchell Robinson is on the roster and is a homeless and perpetually injured version of Rudy Gobert so worst case scenario we just play him and we have the same sort of lineup where towns beat the defending champion nuggets in the playoffs last year en route to conference finals so it’s all good

Mitch has taken way longer to come back, i've lost a lot of hope in him

[R-DAWG]

Even he’s sitting here saying we should trade towns for Giannis which is an acknowledgement that an all star starter still has a ton of value. What is Minnesota getting for Randle if anything? Even if we ultimately don’t win with him he’s an asset.

Mikal probably has some trade value too but it can’t be anything in the same galaxy of what we paid. We are likely holding Brooklyn’s bags on that for the next 6 years

Also where is this “abundance of young talent” lol

Ban twitter posts

I'm only running with the Giannis idea because marc stein was the one who said we want to trade KAT for giannis

We had Grimes, Donte who are young and can give us the same production as mikal.

Ban r0b for selling us on broken kentucky goods!

We traded grimes before last season was over so that doesn’t count. But in hindsight that was also a bad trade

Mitch and OG for Giannis works let’s go

The Bogdonvic trade didn't work out - but those are the kinds of moves to take because there really isn't a long term effect on the organization going forward.

Sure, it would have been nice to have Grimes around with DDV in a non Bridges world, but we could have lived without him.

They should have just run it back while doing the Towns trade.

[Chanel Bomber]

Idk, it sounded like the Knicks were trying to get a big man before they moved Randle. We likely would have somoene else at the 5.

Either way it isn't about randle anymore, it's about kat. He's been unplayable against the top contenders. That's our issue now, not randle.

You're the one who posted a tweet that criticized the trade

Whatever move they would have made for a 5 then, they could have made after the trade.

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

He's still an upgrade over Randle. And I'm not a Randle hater. Julius is a good player.

iHart and Mitch were our defense last year (alongside OG). And we lost our defense last summer, with iHart leaving and Mitch taking longer to recover.

So we'd be facing the exact same issues if Randle were still here.

Replacing their defensive impact by making another trade would have been difficult, regardless of the KAT trade. Elite defensive centers don't grow on trees.

Dig up some tweets that focus on the Mikal trade and we're cool

[kNicksGmen]

bridges minus 23 in 27 minutes yuck

Kat -1 in 41 minutes. when did he get hurt lol? Was Thibs going to play him 45 mins?

[Chanel Bomber]

I think the obvious miss was not doing the Kessler trade when Ainge was looking for 2 FRPs.....imagine having Kessler and Mitch on the roster and 3 more FRPs to play with.....

The obvious miss was

Spoiler:

Donovan Mitchell

That was a generational blunder.

[3toheadmelo]

You're the one who posted a tweet that criticized the trade

Whatever move they would have made for a 5 then, they could have made after the trade.

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

He's still an upgrade over Randle. And I'm not a Randle hater. Julius is a good player.

iHart and Mitch were our defense last year (alongside OG). And we lost our defense last summer, with iHart leaving and Mitch taking longer to recover.

So we'd be facing the exact same issues if Randle were still here.

Replacing their defensive impact by making another trade would have been difficult, regardless of the KAT trade. Elite defensive centers don't grow on trees.

Dig up some tweets that focus on the Mikal trade and we're cool

We could've gotten some defensive big with them 5 picks we ussed for mikal. im critcizing both moves, not just one lol. It just made more sense to run it back with the same team and get a defensive 5 next to randle imo. oh well.

Ima keep digging up tweets that focus on both trades

[robillionaire]

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

Mitchell Robinson is on the roster and is a homeless and perpetually injured version of Rudy Gobert so worst case scenario we just play him and we have the same sort of lineup where towns beat the defending champion nuggets in the playoffs last year en route to conference finals so it’s all good

Mitch has taken way longer to come back, i've lost a lot of hope in him

I thought Hukporti might be able to add some rim protection but he got killed against Cleveland all the same

At least Mitch does have a track record of playing well against the same Cleveland bigs in the playoffs. But who knows if he’s even the same guy. He has poor work ethic

[Chanel Bomber]

Yea because the trade didn't address anything really for us and now we have a massive contract on our hands for 4 years.

It made it harder for us to get a 5 after we gave up everything for Mikal. the tweet i posted criticized both trades mf

He's still an upgrade over Randle. And I'm not a Randle hater. Julius is a good player.

iHart and Mitch were our defense last year (alongside OG). And we lost our defense last summer, with iHart leaving and Mitch taking longer to recover.

So we'd be facing the exact same issues if Randle were still here.

Replacing their defensive impact by making another trade would have been difficult, regardless of the KAT trade. Elite defensive centers don't grow on trees.

Dig up some tweets that focus on the Mikal trade and we're cool

We could've gotten some defensive big with them 5 picks we ussed for mikal. im critcizing both moves, not just one lol. It just made more sense to run it back with the same team and get a defensive 5 next to randle imo. oh well.

Ima keep digging up tweets that focus on both trades

We could have, but we also could have done that if we had made the KAT trade and passed on Mikal. So again, the issue is the Mikal trade.

[sol537]

I've been telling ya'll since day one...

Thibs as a championship coach ain't it
KAT and Brunson as your top duo ain't it (no defense)

Now the entire world have finally come to the same realization. Only took 3/4 of the season.

Changes are coming this summer. Buckle up.

[Deeeez Knicks]

There most likely wasnt any move out there that could make us a championship team this season. Just have to build piece by piece.

We probably do miss iHart the most. Nothing we could have done this off season though to bring him back.

Boston is just a really great team and will be tough to beat. But still very disappointing how we played.

[Guano]

You pay too much attention to Twitter bro

KAT is a better player than Randle.

Randle is also a weak defender, and was a weak defender for us after the 2020-21 season. Defense isn't really an argument against the trade.

This isn't to say KAT doesn't have flaws because he does.

KAT at the 5 hurts us way more defensively than Randle at the 4. I don't really see how anyone can debate against that. We've seen at first hand. We were able to be a top 10 defense with Randle. We're like at the bottom of the league with KAT at the 5.

You're entitled to your opinion about KAT's best position.

But not making the trade would not have brought iHart back, and wouldn't have made Mitch recover faster. And they were the ones anchoring our defense, not Randle.

Without either iHart or Mitch, our defense would have been just as bad with Randle as it is now.

Chanel, "you're entitled to be WRONG"

[3toheadmelo]

He's still an upgrade over Randle. And I'm not a Randle hater. Julius is a good player.

iHart and Mitch were our defense last year (alongside OG). And we lost our defense last summer, with iHart leaving and Mitch taking longer to recover.

So we'd be facing the exact same issues if Randle were still here.

Replacing their defensive impact by making another trade would have been difficult, regardless of the KAT trade. Elite defensive centers don't grow on trees.

Dig up some tweets that focus on the Mikal trade and we're cool

We could've gotten some defensive big with them 5 picks we ussed for mikal. im critcizing both moves, not just one lol. It just made more sense to run it back with the same team and get a defensive 5 next to randle imo. oh well.

Ima keep digging up tweets that focus on both trades

We could have, but we also could have done that if we had made the KAT trade and passed on Mikal. So again, the issue is the Mikal trade.

Maybe, but Randle also to me is more valuable to Brunson than KAT is. Randle was our passing hub to generate offense and create open looks. Brunson struggles playmaking now. And I miss having a bully on the team. But that’s just personal preference. Maybe things would be entirely different with KAT at the 4 next to an elite big.

[JXL]

I've been telling ya'll since day one...

Thibs as a championship coach ain't it
KAT and Brunson as your top duo ain't it (no defense)

Now the entire world have finally come to the same realization. Only took 3/4 of the season.

Changes are coming this summer. Buckle up.

5th best scoring duo in the NBA ain't it...

I dislike retch like this.

[sol537]

We could make 2 drastic changes right now if we want to slightly increase our title chances this season... Leon won't do it, but he could can Thibs and get the post-coach-dump bump and then let someone be the interim coach but the problem is we don't seem to have anyone capable on the bench who could step in anymore... Johnnie Bryant, where art thou?

Second... we could insert Mitch into the starting line-up upon return and insert Deuce as well so our team would be closer to the Cavs in having two seven footers, then a defensive wiz at SF (OG), then two 3pt dynamic short scorers in Deuce and Brunson. Precious (or Huk), Mikal, and Hart round out the bench with Hart acting as the 2nd playmaker and Mikal as the 3rd playmaker. The interim coach would switch us to a switch/trap heavy defense rather than the current drop heavy defense we play.

Drastic stuff... but we won't do it. So, wait till next season...