PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic Part II

[8516knicks]

we gotta start talking about Josh Hart.

Start Mitch. Bench Hart. End of discussion.

How do you start someone who gassed in 16 minutes? Once Mitch is in shape for more than 20 a night, I like the idea of playing him and Karl together a lot more. But for now, we need to be patient so we don't break him again. That 3rd seed isn't going anywhere.

I would have been down to see Shamet close the game in Hart's spot. He was playing better than Josh tonight.

Mitch is gassed after 15 min? What the h*ll was he doing besides eating the entire year he was off? There are other aerobic exercises than running. Swimming, for one. Less and less to like about him and his injury history/effort each year.

And Leon needs to have a meeting with Thibs about the bench; as well as getting it more able to help with additions. No more 6'5" players, please. Get some young 6'8" guys - other teams do - why can't we?

[8516knicks]

Place the donkey from Shrek on any team that doesn’t have a top 5 player of the past 15 years and he’ll go ringless.

But he'll get a contract with DISNEY!

[Fat Kat]

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[TheGreenArrow]

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[3toheadmelo]

People coming around on Randle. Only took over half a season.

Randle had all the energy this team needed badly. I tried to tell yall our team was entirely soft and diva minded outside of the few guys we got rid of this offseason.

Idk how nobody saw Brunsons diva side pop out after Randle dislocated his shoulder but the signs were there. That energy is needed to keep Brunson focused and in check otherwise there’s too much hero ball and complaining going around. Not to mention Randle had the respect of his peers and he wasn’t someone anyone was about to talk crazy to like they do with KAT.

We have some great players but we completely lost our identity and toughness that we had. Oh well. We just need a coach that can maximize this type of roster

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Yep, last year’s team was the complete opposite of this soft ass team.

[Clyde_Style]

We had a 100 ORTG


Post all-star break we were 26th in the league offensively BEFORE Brunson went out. The offense has been in free fall for months now, from the new year to Brunson's injury we were 15th, that's 33 games.


We don't take enough threes, and we don't run enough PnRs. We play an antiquated brand of basketball that was all talent based, and once teams figured out you could guard Hart with a big we have never been able to adjust.

Yeah. I know folks are upset about the players being cordial with Draymond, but the bigger issue is this. The way that the team plays is just unacceptable for the amount of talent and money being invested into this group. KAT having to bully his way into a wall of defenders to hit tough shots isn't sustainable offense.

Meh. We've beaten the horse to death at this point.

The lack of initiative for setting up KAT is crazy. He could lead the league in PPG if you tweaked our offense to give him easier looks, but it never happens. He should not have to bully his way in to get good looks. It's just stupid.

[Clyde_Style]

Thibs doesn't trust Kolek tp defend.

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Right, because Brunson is such a world class defender instead

[thebuzzardman]

Which is the best part of the Brunson less Knicks? The creativity? The offensive flow? All the points? Boy, I hope he doesn't come back this year so we can continue to enjoy this great basketball.

[knicks94]

Thibs would excel in a 1970's basketball league in which there was no three point line.

[thebuzzardman]

We’re a great regular season team. But we’re getting bounced in the 1st round

I think we can beat the Pistons but will probably get bounced by the Pacers or Bucks.

There's no team that makes the playoffs that I think anyone can confidently say the Knicks will beat.

Thibs is too easy to game plan against.

[Enzo954]

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I hate this crap so much. Kat was disrespected during the death of someone close to him. His teammates needed to give Draymond the cold shoulder in unity. Even Thibs is out there hugging and yapping it up with him. I just don't get it.

[3toheadmelo]

Draymond green blowing past KAT for a weak layup dagger and then hitting the night night celly on us just shows everything that’s wrong with this team.

[thebuzzardman]

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Excellent. What half this board deserves.


Kind of wish he doesn't make it back for the playoffs.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Knicks fought hard in this one. Just couldn’t keep up with the 3 point and free throw differential. Our offense is real ugly right now. We need a lot more from Hart and Tyler really needs to get some minutes.

[Adelheid]

Which is the best part of the Brunson less Knicks? The creativity? The offensive flow? All the points? Boy, I hope he doesn't come back this year so we can continue to enjoy this great basketball.

the best part is someone is getting exposed for relying too much on krutches

[thebuzzardman]

If you dont think that we are a better team than Steph, Draymond and butler, you dont know how much Thibs is holding us back

They're 14-1 since Jimmy arrived. And we're without Brunson and on their floor. Winning this game was going to be extremely difficult

Yeah, this likely would've been a win with Brunson...and a comfortable one at that...even if Jalen just played the minutes Payne got.

This was about as encouraging as a loss can be. We took it to a surging team despite missing our best player & closer; only losing the rope in the final minute. Short of getting the win, that game went about as well as it could've...and if Hart or Payne had been able to hit anything tonight, we could've won even without Jalen.

No, I've been told Brunson is so awful on defense that the Knicks probably would have lost with Brunson, giving up 130 points instead of 97

[thebuzzardman]

People coming around on Randle. Only took over half a season.

Randle had all the energy this team needed badly. I tried to tell yall our team was entirely soft and diva minded outside of the few guys we got rid of this offseason.

Idk how nobody saw Brunsons diva side pop out after Randle dislocated his shoulder but the signs were there. That energy is needed to keep Brunson focused and in check otherwise there’s too much hero ball and complaining going around. Not to mention Randle had the respect of his peers and he wasn’t someone anyone was about to talk crazy to like they do with KAT.

We have some great players but we completely lost our identity and toughness that we had. Oh well. We just need a coach that can maximize this type of roster

Yeah, Randle never dominated the ball and choked off ball movement...

[thebuzzardman]

Too many J Cole types and no Kendrick. Kat's a good dude that has been through a lot.

Thibs killing team chemistry.

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I felt bad for Kat. He wanted this game and most of his teammates let him down with not only their play, but by hugging and playing around with Draymond after the game. This team isn't tight like we're led to believe. There's no way you disrespect my brother like that and then I'm chilling with the guy who disrespected him. Weak!

The posters here are different though. F*ck off.

[cgf]

Start Mitch. Bench Hart. End of discussion.

How do you start someone who gassed in 16 minutes? Once Mitch is in shape for more than 20 a night, I like the idea of playing him and Karl together a lot more. But for now, we need to be patient so we don't break him again. That 3rd seed isn't going anywhere.

I would have been down to see Shamet close the game in Hart's spot. He was playing better than Josh tonight.

Mitch is gassed after 15 min? What the h*ll was he doing besides eating the entire year he was off? There are other aerobic exercises than running. Swimming, for one. Less and less to like about him and his injury history/effort each year.

And Leon needs to have a meeting with Thibs about the bench; as well as getting it more able to help with additions. No more 6'5" players, please. Get some young 6'8" guys - other teams do - why can't we?

Only so much cardio you can do when your ankle is recovering. Swimming is a great workout, but unless you’re a competitive swimmer, it’s a very different level of aerobic stress to basketball…which is much more stop-start.

Mitch handled 19min the other night, but GSW plays really fast and we still have a month until the playoffs to get him ready for 20+ regularly.

Thibs has never been great at using his bench, but our bench minutes this season are down 20% from any season before and 30% down from before we started consolidating talent.

So IMO this is Thibs exacerbating a problem that would’ve been an issue regardless of our coach.

The second apron just tied our hands too much and Ainge never gave in on Sims + Dadiet + WSH FRP for Kessler…which would’ve let us use Achiuwa’s salary + SRPs to get a better bench wing, instead of needing Precious to cover for Mitch.

With Mitch missing ~60 games, Shamet missing ~30, Precious missing ~20, Deuce missing 10, and the rookies not seizing their opportunities, there just haven’t been the live bodies we could put out there without watching our leads slip away.

FWIW we have seen things getting better as our competent bench guys get healthier, despite Payne’s shooting slump.

[Clyde_Style]

We’re a great regular season team. But we’re getting bounced in the 1st round

I think we can beat the Pistons but will probably get bounced by the Pacers or Bucks.

There's no team that makes the playoffs that I think anyone can confidently say the Knicks will beat.

Thibs is too easy to game plan against.

This team is not collectively gritty like last year's team that overachieved shorthanded.

This team relies on individual performances to get them over the hump.

Lack of cohesion gets exposed in the playoffs.