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2010 wrote:god shammgod wrote:2010 wrote:
yeah, he's the one guy who's thriving. makes sense because he's the one who really wanted thibs fired.
Deuce too. He wanted Thibs gone, as well.
3toheadmelo wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Context matters. The Pistons were legitimately good. We absolutely deserved to win the Celtics series. The Pacers were on their way to winning the chip until Hali tore his Achilles. We were definitely contenders and this is coming from someone who wasn’t high on the team for majority of the year. Results are what matters. I don’t care about any other fan fiction.
ehhh disagree about the pistons specifically. They didn't really play well at all most of the series. Knicks were pretty awful most of the games but pulled out wins down the stretch with Kat/Brunson heroics (and game 1 Cam Payne lol).
I don't disagree the about the knicks "deserving" to win the celtics series - but that doesn't change the fact of how flukey/unlikely winning the 1st 2 games on the road was after being down 20 in both. Knicks were blown out of the building at home in game 3 and blown out on the road in game 5 (with no tatum). Sure they deserved to win, but they were not nearly as good as boston. Going into the year I always said they can beat Boston if they get luck with shooting variance or injuries - they got both (not just referring to tatum, but also the knicks being COMPLETELY HEALTHY WHICH WAS A MIRACLE).
Pacers series, outside of the 1st 3 1/2 quarters of game one they were pretty thoroughly outplayed despite Turner missing all his wide open 3s.
Pacers definitely had some special magic last year and results do matter - but like I said so does context. Nothing I said is "fan fiction". They were going to get smoked by any number of teams that came out of the west if they managed to get there. You can call that "fan fiction". OKC would have slaughtered them in 5.
I don’t play what if games. You’re going on a fan fiction rant when the reality is that we got to the ECF. Losing to the pacers who were literally about to win the chip is nothing to be shamed about.
Being completely healthy wasn’t a “miracle”. You’re forgetting that we just hired Casey Smith who’s considered to be one of the best trainers in the league. He did what he was supposed to do.
kNicksGmen wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:ehhh disagree about the pistons specifically. They didn't really play well at all most of the series. Knicks were pretty awful most of the games but pulled out wins down the stretch with Kat/Brunson heroics (and game 1 Cam Payne lol).
I don't disagree the about the knicks "deserving" to win the celtics series - but that doesn't change the fact of how flukey/unlikely winning the 1st 2 games on the road was after being down 20 in both. Knicks were blown out of the building at home in game 3 and blown out on the road in game 5 (with no tatum). Sure they deserved to win, but they were not nearly as good as boston. Going into the year I always said they can beat Boston if they get luck with shooting variance or injuries - they got both (not just referring to tatum, but also the knicks being COMPLETELY HEALTHY WHICH WAS A MIRACLE).
Pacers series, outside of the 1st 3 1/2 quarters of game one they were pretty thoroughly outplayed despite Turner missing all his wide open 3s.
Pacers definitely had some special magic last year and results do matter - but like I said so does context. Nothing I said is "fan fiction". They were going to get smoked by any number of teams that came out of the west if they managed to get there. You can call that "fan fiction". OKC would have slaughtered them in 5.
I don’t play what if games. You’re going on a fan fiction rant when the reality is that we got to the ECF. Losing to the pacers who were literally about to win the chip is nothing to be shamed about.
Being completely healthy wasn’t a “miracle”. You’re forgetting that we just hired Casey Smith who’s considered to be one of the best trainers in the league. He did what he was supposed to do.
Nonsense. I never said it was something to be ashamed about - but rather it wasn't sustainable or repeatable. Meaning if the knicks stuck with Thibs, and the East remained the same (Tatum and Hali didn't get hurt) - the knicks are not favorites to get back to the ECF or to make the Finals. They would be at best ranked 4th in the conference.
Being as healthy as they were was absolutely a miracle. Comparing what the pacers did against OKC to what the knicks could have done is just as much "fan fiction" as my assumption OKC would have clamped us. Matchups matter. The pacers ridiculous offense (and underrated defense) is what kept them in that series - along with more of their black magic late in games. The only reason the knicks were/are such favorites to make it to the finals this season is due to Tatum and Hali injuries.
It's simple and I'll repeat it again. Results matter, but so does context. The knicks playoff success last season was not indicative of a realistic, repeatable success going forward. Regardless of the coach. You're already trying to paint a false narrative that "if the knicks just kept Thibs they would do just as good as last season or better" - which is what you like to call "fan fiction"
TKKnicks1 wrote:I do honestly see the offense improving each game. It's a breath of fresh air to see that ball movement after ISO mania the last several years. The fact still remains however that Mitch, OG and Mikal have not been able to overcome the defensive deficiencies of KAT and JB. Thibs was a defensive guru. Brown is also known as a defensive first coach yet here we are still not able to guard simple pick and rolls, slips or backdoors. We need to come to terms that JB and KAT will not improve and just don't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of their man. We need them to get to at least average level on D or we need the other 3 guys out there with them be able to guard their own man and then some. I just don't think the latter is sustainable so IMO one of JB or KAT must go.
JBreezeNY wrote:TKKnicks1 wrote:I do honestly see the offense improving each game. It's a breath of fresh air to see that ball movement after ISO mania the last several years. The fact still remains however that Mitch, OG and Mikal have not been able to overcome the defensive deficiencies of KAT and JB. Thibs was a defensive guru. Brown is also known as a defensive first coach yet here we are still not able to guard simple pick and rolls, slips or backdoors. We need to come to terms that JB and KAT will not improve and just don't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of their man. We need them to get to at least average level on D or we need the other 3 guys out there with them be able to guard their own man and then some. I just don't think the latter is sustainable so IMO one of JB or KAT must go.
Brunson been skating by for a bit because of his performance in the playoffs a couple years ago but his seat is starting to warm up. I’ve been seeing a few Knick fam on here giving him a little smoke when before there was none.
Early this year it’s evident he has very nasty habits with iso ball, damn near identical to Melo but he’s more likable. I say all that to say Brunson will probably never get traded but……he hasn’t won a title so all options should be on the table if the goal is about a title. Not about feelings because some fans like a player more than another, but a championship.
3toheadmelo wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:I don’t play what if games. You’re going on a fan fiction rant when the reality is that we got to the ECF. Losing to the pacers who were literally about to win the chip is nothing to be shamed about.
Being completely healthy wasn’t a “miracle”. You’re forgetting that we just hired Casey Smith who’s considered to be one of the best trainers in the league. He did what he was supposed to do.
Nonsense. I never said it was something to be ashamed about - but rather it wasn't sustainable or repeatable. Meaning if the knicks stuck with Thibs, and the East remained the same (Tatum and Hali didn't get hurt) - the knicks are not favorites to get back to the ECF or to make the Finals. They would be at best ranked 4th in the conference.
Being as healthy as they were was absolutely a miracle. Comparing what the pacers did against OKC to what the knicks could have done is just as much "fan fiction" as my assumption OKC would have clamped us. Matchups matter. The pacers ridiculous offense (and underrated defense) is what kept them in that series - along with more of their black magic late in games. The only reason the knicks were/are such favorites to make it to the finals this season is due to Tatum and Hali injuries.
It's simple and I'll repeat it again. Results matter, but so does context. The knicks playoff success last season was not indicative of a realistic, repeatable success going forward. Regardless of the coach. You're already trying to paint a false narrative that "if the knicks just kept Thibs they would do just as good as last season or better" - which is what you like to call "fan fiction"
I don’t play what if games or fan fiction. Sorry. You spammed firing Thibs all year so you got what you asked for. This is the product you wanted so enjoy it.
TKKnicks1 wrote:I still can't get over those 3 straight possessions by KAT in the 4th when the game was close. First he literally does an "¡Olé!" and moves out of his mans way so he has a clear lane to the hoop. Immediately after comes down the other side and bricks a 3. We come back the other way and he fouls his man leading to an and 1.
Not sure if we can hide this man on the defensive end. The guy to help do it was Mitch and with this whole load management fiasco, KAT is just out there stinkin up the joint.
TKKnicks1 wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:TKKnicks1 wrote:I do honestly see the offense improving each game. It's a breath of fresh air to see that ball movement after ISO mania the last several years. The fact still remains however that Mitch, OG and Mikal have not been able to overcome the defensive deficiencies of KAT and JB. Thibs was a defensive guru. Brown is also known as a defensive first coach yet here we are still not able to guard simple pick and rolls, slips or backdoors. We need to come to terms that JB and KAT will not improve and just don't have the lateral quickness to stay in front of their man. We need them to get to at least average level on D or we need the other 3 guys out there with them be able to guard their own man and then some. I just don't think the latter is sustainable so IMO one of JB or KAT must go.
Brunson been skating by for a bit because of his performance in the playoffs a couple years ago but his seat is starting to warm up. I’ve been seeing a few Knick fam on here giving him a little smoke when before there was none.
Early this year it’s evident he has very nasty habits with iso ball, damn near identical to Melo but he’s more likable. I say all that to say Brunson will probably never get traded but……he hasn’t won a title so all options should be on the table if the goal is about a title. Not about feelings because some fans like a player more than another, but a championship.
Ya they are both equally bad on D but JB is a huge asset doing other things especially in the clutch. KAT with his constant disappearing act, lack of motivation and marshmallow soft approach to the game has quickly become the lowest on the totem pole.
Gravy wrote:Richard4444 wrote:The Explorer wrote:Thibodeau was a much better coach for this roster.
Maybe if Brown begins to play the starting unit 40 minutes a game and somehow gets a healthy Hart, he could reach the same success as Thibs.
I thought the key to winning was to play more of the bench like the Pacers do. We played 11 guys so it should have been an easy win with everybody well rested.
Richard4444 wrote:Gravy wrote:Richard4444 wrote:
Maybe if Brown begins to play the starting unit 40 minutes a game and somehow gets a healthy Hart, he could reach the same success as Thibs.
I thought the key to winning was to play more of the bench like the Pacers do. We played 11 guys so it should have been an easy win with everybody well rested.
The key is playing more bench. But you have to have a bench first.
So far, aparently we only have scrubs as reserves.. Even Hart and Deuce are playing poorly.
