PG - Knicks fooled easily by Magic

[Reign23]

Time to rip off the band aid. Firing thibs slammed the championship window closed permanently. The grit is gone. The soul is gone. Season is over. The next decade is over. Blow it up and rebuild. Fire Mike brown and hire a development coach. Checking the numbers we will next contend in either 2038, best case in 2035 if they blow it up for picks now. They should do a fire sale. Also Dolan should sell the team, he ruined the good thing we had. The Knicks will never be good again until Dolan is dead.

well damn

[gavran]

Blatant cheating by the refs tonight.

[HEZI]

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On the season:

DFG% 51.9
Diff% 2.4

This dude just flat out sucks

[SpreeNYK]

Typical NY. They lose to every halfway decent team. Their defense is absolutely trash. I'm already looking forward to the blowouts against teams like OKC.

The biggest disappointment so far is Yabusele. That guy is a fake and can't do anything right. Get rid of him as soon as possible.

Brown is trash too, can't coach Defense like Thibs.
Fortunately, the season is still long and anything can happen. But currently, they're just an average team that can only shine against the NBA's weakest teams.

[NoStatsGuy]

my biggest problem is, that we are not the tough team that noone wants to play. it used to be like that, when we had randle and donte. we are freaking soft. we are literally a cheap ass copy of the celtics minus people that can defend. Thats what i really dont like
i dont care as much about a random game in the season. I miss that team... the team before we made the KAT trade.

i understand randle had to go. it was a point of no return, but i said it at the time of the trade and ill say it again. KAT is not better than randle, he just looks better on the stat sheet. Hes literally no impact, just getting his shots type of player. 1 in 8 games you think "wow KAT why are you not always playing like that?". He just doesnt have that dog in him, no matter how hard hes trying to sell it.

This team has no soul, no grit, no personality. not sure if Mikey can motivate them or what needs to happen. But this aint it

[8516knicks]

So Shamet is probably done for the season if he reinjured that same shoulder. We will most likely apply for the injury exception so who do we pick up?

Injury exception? He’s making minimal money and he’s not guaranteed until January.

He’ll be waived and we’ll sign Garrison Matthews or something.

So what you're telling me is that we getting Ben Simmons.

"...and Pinball completes the scene. Here comes Uncle Ernie to lead you to your very own machine!" Ben Simmon? "We're not gonna take it..."

[Reign23]

I’m about to start watching raptors games I’m ready to embrace RJ again

[Reign23]

kat quit on him before the season even started. announced publicly he didn't know his role. josh hart has talked about his role too and his minutes. guys don't seem happy.

How is that KAT quitting? Josh has talked about his role and minutes with Thibs too. I think you guys might be reading too much into things…

KAT is quitting ****. he is just in a very bad shooting slump and can't hit a three to save his life. but there is always gonna be something more to it when things go bad. especially with KAT.

[Reign23]

I am not worried YET. but guys have to respond now, no doubt.
KAT has to get out this crazy slump soon, it is really annoying, ngl.but I highly doubt that a career 40% three point shooter is now at 31% regularly.
guys like Yabusele, Diawara, Dadiet or Hukporti have to get us ANYTHING when their number is called.

[Reign23]

How is that KAT quitting? Josh has talked about his role and minutes with Thibs too. I think you guys might be reading too much into things…

does kat look like the same player from last year ? he's shooting the worst percentages of his entire career by far. worse than his rookie year.

He looks exactly the same to me with the exception of his shooting %… but that doesn’t equate to quitting? He’s gotten off to a bad start with the 3ball… it happens to the best of players.. I’m sure he’ll turn it around soon.

You know as of right now KAT is 28 of 88 from 3… he hits 5 more of those 3’s and he’s shooting 38% instead of 32%… it’s way too early to be panicking about this.

exactly.

[Reign23]

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he is having some stinkbombs, but doesn't make as much fun to clown him compared to KAT obv for most posters.

[Reign23]

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shhhhhhh. The Offensive rebounding !!!!

[GettinitDone]

If we wanna win a championship it has to be THIS YEAR !

Why? Because JB is 29. He may stay in his prime until 32... that means we have 3 more years of JB playing as a top 7-10 player in the L... 3 more years of having ANY chance of winning a championship!

And also because teams like Detroit, Orlando, and Philly unexpectedly got and will keep getting A LOT better. For Detroit, Duren has ascended from rotation to an All Star. If they somehow could trade for *the perfect player for their team* aka Markannen without giving up their main core of Cade, Duren, Thompson, they could be legitimately flat out better than us. For Orlando, the addition of Bane is working nicely and it seems they're much more dangerous with Franz as their #1 option, and not necessarily with Paolo back serving as #2 option, if they decide to go this route, they could potentially trade Paolo for a 3rd star that complements Franz & Bane better... or at least for some high level winning players. For Philly, they hit a jackpot with Edgecombe, but Maxey's ascension from All Star to full blown superstar/ MVP candidate just absolutely changed the make up of this team. Embiid and PG could no longer play for them, and they'll still be in a good shape.

And if we don't win the championship this year, it's not getting easier for the players to still buy-in Mike's system in his 2nd year...

Three years remaining of JB's playing in his prime !!! This is why I said if I were Dolan himself, I'd have to intervene, fire Mike RIGHT NOW and find the right coach !! Three years is short, we don't have a lot of time, and the competition is seemingly only getting exponentially tougher.

[god shammgod]

the usual suspects complaining about other posters on the site's opinions instead of the team which is performing below expectations. i guess they can't admit to themselves the truth so they have to take it out on the upstanding members of the community who just comment on basketball and don't criticize other's opinions. when will we as a community stop tolerating this blatant flaunting of the rules on this site from these bad apples ? sad.

[spree8]

Last season on this day the Knicks bench was Sims, Payne, Dadiet and Kolek, and Mitch was out. The east was also tougher. So although the team was shaky last year, the coach was doing more with much less at this point.

1: Thibs played multiple starters 40+ minutes several times in the first 15 games.. Brown isn’t doing that
2: Mitch has played 9 games out of 15… and only 17mpg.. Precious is playing more than that this season ..last season too
3: Brunson didnt miss 2 of those first 15 games last year
4: OG didn’t miss 3 of those first 15 games
5: You conveniently left Deuce off the list of bench players by being slick and saying “on this day” like that means anything.. nice try tho he also chose not to play Precious when he could’ve who is better than Yabu..

Brown has a much deeper bench to begin the season so he does not need to have a short rotation. Still he's barely playing the kids unless he absolutely has to.
Mitch was out until game 59, Precious was out the beginning of the season until game 22.
Knicks were 6-2 last season when OG was out.
Last year when the whole bench was Dadiet,Kolek,Payne and Sims who was supposed to be getting more minutes that Brown is now playing?

I should’ve specified at the end that I meant in the playoffs.. should’ve elaborated to include Delon and Shamet too since my point was Thibs doesn’t play the bench at all his whole career even when he has one during the biggest time of need. Just like the beginning of the season when we were all complaining about him playing the starters 40+ mins and 6-7 man rotations, he did the same shyt in the playoffs… 7 man rotations.

Why do you keep leaving out Deuce from the bench last year? And we didn’t lose Brunson and OG at the same time in the first 15 games..

And why are you even comparing such an arbitrary number of games like this between two seasons… it’s apples to oranges lol… there’s so many differences it really is a stupid conversation…

Like picking a random span of games when we didn’t have OG and citing the record has nothing to do with the (weird/nonsensical) point you’re trying to make… like we had a winning 9-6 record without Brunson last year too… so what’s the fukking point?

He’s a new coach with a new philosophy who’s trying new things… it takes time. We haven’t seen everything.. even Wally mentioned that when he said Brown will still show new things he’s got saved for the playoffs… as most good coaches do.

[spree8]

the usual suspects complaining about other posters on the site's opinions instead of the team which is performing below expectations. i guess they can't admit to themselves the truth so they have to take it out on the upstanding members of the community who just comment on basketball and don't criticize other's opinions. when will we as a community stop tolerating this blatant flaunting of the rules on this site from these bad apples ? sad.

What’s wrong with complaining about trolling? The irony of that last sentence tho…

[god shammgod]

the usual suspects complaining about other posters on the site's opinions instead of the team which is performing below expectations. i guess they can't admit to themselves the truth so they have to take it out on the upstanding members of the community who just comment on basketball and don't criticize other's opinions. when will we as a community stop tolerating this blatant flaunting of the rules on this site from these bad apples ? sad.

What’s wrong with complaining about trolling? The irony of that last sentence tho…

there's no trolling going on. you think anything you don't agree with is trolling. look around, you have the minority opinion right now about the state of this team. which is fine. as long as you just state your opinion on basketball and leave it at that. and we'll do the same. see how that works. good. nice talk.

[spree8]

the usual suspects complaining about other posters on the site's opinions instead of the team which is performing below expectations. i guess they can't admit to themselves the truth so they have to take it out on the upstanding members of the community who just comment on basketball and don't criticize other's opinions. when will we as a community stop tolerating this blatant flaunting of the rules on this site from these bad apples ? sad.

What’s wrong with complaining about trolling? The irony of that last sentence tho…

there's no trolling going on. you think anything you don't agree with is trolling. look around, you have the minority opinion right now about the state of this team. which is fine. as long as you just state your opinion on basketball and leave it at that. and we'll do the same. see how that works. good. nice talk.

There’s no trolling going on yet a separate thread had to be made for posters who can’t move on and stop bringing up old shyt every single game. And I have the minority opinion on what? Do a head count please because you’re just pulling the numbers out your ass lol.

My opinion is about basketball… why are you acting like you’re an angel when your m.o is to pop in and incessantly laugh and mock posters opinions who actually like the team during losses and disappear during wins? How’s that keeping it about basketball and not trolling? It’s the literal definition of it..

[god shammgod]

What’s wrong with complaining about trolling? The irony of that last sentence tho…

there's no trolling going on. you think anything you don't agree with is trolling. look around, you have the minority opinion right now about the state of this team. which is fine. as long as you just state your opinion on basketball and leave it at that. and we'll do the same. see how that works. good. nice talk.

There’s no trolling going on yet a separate thread had to be made for posters who can’t move on and stop bringing up old shyt every single game. And I have the minority opinion on what? Do a head count please because you’re just pulling the numbers out your ass lol.

My opinion is about basketball… why are you acting like you’re an angel when your m.o is to pop in and incessantly laugh and mock posters opinions who actually like the team during losses and disappear during wins? How’s that keeping it about basketball and not trolling? It’s the literal definition of it..

i'm not gonna derail this thread anymore like you're attempting. i won't be pulled into this and be part of the animosity that has torn our board apart. we have to learn to tolerate each other's differences. we're so divided as a forum right now and i'm leading the movement to stop that. i hope in the future you'll try to do the same. thank you.

[thebuzzardman]

Why would anybody go back to the team that fired them? Also is Brown really the issue? This roster is flawed, lacks redundancy, size, and ball handling.

The roster is better than last year
We needed a coaching change. However, they went and got the 8th choice

The roster is the same except for Clarkson. Yabu right now is worse than Achiuwa. And fundamentally we are still small, still don't have a dependable PG behind Brunson, still.dont.have a dependable big wing behind OG. You can't Coach those things into existence. The FO needs to figure this out.

Can't we all just get along?

The FO needs to address some roster shortcomings AND the coaching sucks.