Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread IV

[IllmaticHandler]

You can say the Same about PE with the SOUND and everything else you mentioned. There were a BUNCH of acts like that. Your going overboard in saying they are the pioneers with De La..

The same Goes for Biz Markie. I can do so many artist who were not like the norm and did they own thing and had a unique sound. Listen I like Tribe, but your gassing the credentials up to much. This is the POINT.

The POINT isn't lost because Biz Markie and PE can say the same. They ALSO represent the potential of hip hop. I didn't say "Tribe is the greatest group ever" I said they're my favorite group. I said I "really like" their new album. Whose gassing what? The POINT was lost on you as soon as you said "they're not even peak hip hop talent" no one ever said they were, in fact I said they didn't have to be. So let's get back to my list and tell me which one of these isn't true:

1. Put on a Tribe album and you KNOW it's a Tribe album.
2. They did that from 88-98 successfully and this new album continues that while still being relevant in 2016.
3. Without compromising their sound (biggest change is when Phife focused more on writing his own lyrics and it improved the music) they continued to be relevant while the genre was shifting focus.

If none of these is wrong, then you're arguing about ish I didn't say or even imply. The most hyperbolic statement I made was that Tip is a prototype for how to ride beats, that you can get mad at. The rest, you're arguing with your damn self and inferring things that aren't there.

everything your saying is to cosign this...


"Along with De La, Tribe was able to establish a unique but clearly identifiable sound from the respective rappers to the production."


"I look at Tribe as proof of hip hop's potential"


Again. It was DONE BEFORE THEM.


Like I said, they are not pioneers OR Unique in that regard but your trying make them so. They were JUST as unique as every else who stayed relevant in the early 90's.


Your posting as if they started that ****. THATS WHAT I MEAN BY GASSING UP.

[j4remi]

everything your saying is to cosign this...


"Along with De La, Tribe was able to establish a unique but clearly identifiable sound from the respective rappers to the production."


Again. It was DONE BEFORE THEM.


Like I said, they are not pioneers OR Unique in that regard but your trying make them so. They were JUST as unique as every else who stayed relevant in the early 90's.


Your posting as if they started that ****. THATS WHAT I MEAN BY GASSING UP.

"Unique Identifiable sound" = 1. Put on a Tribe album and you KNOW it's a Tribe album.

I didn't say they were MORE unique than anyone else that's not how the term unique even works. You're either unique or you aren't. Again, stop inferring ish and arguing points I didn't make. I laid as bare as possible my points and instead of refuting them, you're reaching.

[Shoryuken]

Skyzoo & Apollo the easy truth album is a breath of fresh air is a great listen from start to finish. if you love the old 90's sound, with a modern touch then you will love this record.

[j4remi]

Skyzoo & Apollo the easy truth album is a breath of fresh air is a great listen from start to finish. if you love the old 90's sound, with a modern touch then you will love this record.

I've been bumping it for a few weeks and it's hard for me to come up with an album this year that I like better. I don't see that changing as it ages either, I really dig that ish.

[IllmaticHandler]

everything your say
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g is to cosign this...


"Along with De La, Tribe was able to establish a unique but clearly identifiable sound from the respective rappers to the production."


Again. It was DONE BEFORE THEM.


Like I said, they are not pioneers OR Unique in that regard but your trying make them so. They were JUST as unique as every else who stayed relevant in the early 90's.


Your posting as if they started that ****. THATS WHAT I MEAN BY GASSING UP.

"Unique Identifiable sound" = 1. Put on a Tribe album and you KNOW it's a Tribe album.

I didn't say they were MORE unique than anyone else that's not how the term unique even works. You're either unique or you aren't. Again, stop inferring ish and arguing points I didn't make. I laid as bare as possible my points and instead of refuting them, you're reaching.

You say you look at Tribe as proof of Hip Hops Potential. Then Follow up with what you did in the second post Your basically saying that its potential was not recognized before that. Your giving them credit for being relevant in the "Gangster Music" of the early 90's. They were relevant cause they made GOOD MUSIC its really that simple. What was tribe supposed to do? become thugs? .The majority of the rappers who did not debut as thugs, STAYED MAKING THE SAME MUSIC THEY DID BEFORE THAT ERA. Your adding special sauce on what tribe did during that era, and it needs NONE OF IT.

[IllmaticHandler]

Just remembered... Also Tribe DABBLED in Steet Sounding music by putting Kid Hood on the Remix. So again they were not as pure as you make them seem.


This is a tribe Song with a Opening verse Like this.... .

They tried to appeal to the streets with this. Bro ..I KNOW MY HIP HOP HISTORY.

Watch on YouTube

[j4remi]

You say you look at Tribe as proof of Hip Hops Potential.

Yes I do

Then Follow up with what you did in the second post Your basically saying that its potential was not recognized before that.

Not remotely true. Read it back, I don't reference hip hop before them at all, the De La mention comes because those were two well known boom bap crews that shared a lot of sentiments.

Your giving them credit for being relevant in the "Gangster Music" of the early 90's.

The Gangsta Rap reference has nothing to do with their relevance. It's a reference to the direction rap music started to move in during that era. They stuck with their sound while the genre moved more towards gansta rap. Are you gonna deny that?

They were relevant cause they made GOOD MUSIC its really that simple.

Yep that's right...I didn't imply any different.

What was tribe supposed to do? become thugs?

It's a reference to modern rappers that flew over your head hard fam.

The majority of the rappers who not debut as thugs, STAYED MAKING THE SAME MUSIC THEY DID BEFORE THAT ERA. Your adding special sauce on what tribe did during that era, and it needs NONE OF IT.

You're trying to turn an innocuous comment into something that places Tribe above all other groups and rappers. I didn't say they were better, I called them my favorite. They show the potential for hip hop by maintaining a consistent sound and style through different eras of hip hop. I didn't say they were the only group to accomplish that and even provided a second example (De La) and cosigned the examples you gave (Biz and PE).

THERE'S NO COMPARING ONE GROUP TO OTHERS HERE. I LIKE TRIBE CALLED QUEST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RECOGNIZABLE SOUND AND NEVER SHIED FROM THAT. That doesn't make them better than anyone or worse, it's just an OBVIOUS statement that you can't deny. So now you've gotta insert a bunch of between the lines nonsense that I neither said nor implied just to avoid saying "My bad, I though you were calling them the greatest and not your personal favorite group"

[god shammgod]

this is unexpected, might have to break out the popcorn in this thread.

p.s. i didn't like tribe after the 3rd album. those dilla beats didn't sound right to me (ducks)

[IllmaticHandler]

You say you look at Tribe as proof of Hip Hops Potential.

Yes I do

Then Follow up with what you did in the second post Your basically saying that its potential was not recognized before that.

Not remotely true. Read it back, I don't reference hip hop before them at all, the De La mention comes because those were two well known boom bap crews that shared a lot of sentiments.

Your giving them credit for being relevant in the "Gangster Music" of the early 90's.

The Gangsta Rap reference has nothing to do with their relevance. It's a reference to the direction rap music started to move in during that era. They stuck with their sound while the genre moved more towards gansta rap. Are you gonna deny that?

They were relevant cause they made GOOD MUSIC its really that simple.

Yep that's right...I didn't imply any different.

What was tribe supposed to do? become thugs?

It's a reference to modern rappers that flew over your head hard fam.

The majority of the rappers who not debut as thugs, STAYED MAKING THE SAME MUSIC THEY DID BEFORE THAT ERA. Your adding special sauce on what tribe did during that era, and it needs NONE OF IT.

You're trying to turn an innocuous comment into something that places Tribe above all other groups and rappers. I didn't say they were better, I called them my favorite. They show the potential for hip hop by maintaining a consistent sound and style through different eras of hip hop. I didn't say they were the only group to accomplish that and even provided a second example (De La) and cosigned the examples you gave (Biz and PE).

THERE'S NO COMPARING ONE GROUP TO OTHERS HERE. I LIKE TRIBE CALLED QUEST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A RECOGNIZABLE SOUND AND NEVER SHIED FROM THAT. That doesn't make them better than anyone or worse, it's just an OBVIOUS statement that you can't deny. So now you've gotta insert a bunch of between the lines nonsense that I neither said nor implied just to avoid saying "My bad, I though you were calling them the greatest and not your personal favorite group"

Sun you like tribe its all good you don't have to defend that. Your inital Post came off like a Tupac Fan Post I'm sorry...I felt there was some reaching the statements made in the beginning.

Like I said its all good.

[IllmaticHandler]

this is unexpected, might have to break out the popcorn in this thread.

p.s. i didn't like tribe after the 3rd album. those dilla beats didn't sound right to me (ducks)

They went to **** after that Album if you ask me.

[j4remi]

Sun you like tribe its all good you don't have to defend that. Your inital Post came off like a Tupac Fan Post, I'm sorry. Like I said its all good.

Respect fam, I'm not trying to put them on a pedestal over any other groups or rappers, they're my favorite but I ain't mad at cats that like Wu-Tang, Outkast, Bone Thugz or whoever else more. The hip hop's potential term wasn't meant to be exclusive; a lot of cats (including plenty today, I should mention that to be fair) show the same value.

[j4remi]

this is unexpected, might have to break out the popcorn in this thread.

p.s. i didn't like tribe after the 3rd album. those dilla beats didn't sound right to me (ducks)

[IllmaticHandler]

Sun you like tribe its all good you don't have to defend that. Your inital Post came off like a Tupac Fan Post, I'm sorry. Like I said its all good.

Respect fam, I'm not trying to put them on a pedestal over any other groups or rappers, they're my favorite but I ain't mad at cats that like Wu-Tang, Outkast, Bone Thugz or whoever else more. The hip hop's potential term wasn't meant to be exclusive; a lot of cats (including plenty today, I should mention that to be fair) show the same value.

J4remi. Im good money with you. Trust me. I Love this hip hop **** like you do. You know how convos go. Its serious, but NOT that serious.

[god shammgod]

this is unexpected, might have to break out the popcorn in this thread.

p.s. i didn't like tribe after the 3rd album. those dilla beats didn't sound right to me (ducks)

i was also gonna say madlib>dilla but i didn't wanna argue about it

[j4remi]

J4remi. Im good money with you. Trust me. I Love this hip hop **** like you do. You know how convos go. Its serious, but NOT that serious.

I feel you, let's find a reason to hate on Drake and get Greenie riled up so we can get a few more pages

[IllmaticHandler]

J4remi. Im good money with you. Trust me. I Love this hip hop **** like you do. You know how convos go. Its serious, but NOT that serious.

I feel you, let's find a reason to hate on Drake and get Greenie riled up so we can get a few more pages

Thats Easy. Drake did not Kill Meek Mill and he still has mad love. DC4 was a decent album a few bangers on there I like.



Meanwhile in other Drake News. He could not keep Rihanna interested in him for more than a few months. She basically proved to the world he is lame.

[IllmaticHandler]

I think Dilla is nice but I NEVER understood the obsession of him. Dude has been elevated to so called best ever and I just don't hear it.


I will take a Havoc(my fav producer) track over a bunch of Dillas beats. He not wack, but this dude is talked about as if he better than Prime RZA and the likes.

[j4remi]

Primo all day for me. I really like Dilla, but there's a pack of producers who I put on the same level or above. Also, I'm a 9th Wonder stan and people side eye me for bringing him up but I accept it.

[Marcus]

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being the appreciative old skool head that you are. What are your thoughts on WestSideGunn?

gives me that Purple Tape Wu-Gambino vibe.

Watch on YouTube

[IllmaticHandler]

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being the appreciative old skool head that you are. What are your thoughts on WestSideGunn?

gives me that Purple Tape Wu-Gambino vibe.

Watch on YouTube

He is okay. I don't think he has high level lyrical ability. He is exactly like Rae(not better than) in having nice ability in saying fly lingo with drug dealer talk. He falls into the Pusha T and Rae format just not as good as them. What really helps him is his producer darringer who has given Westside and Conway that throwback sound in production. He is the underrated person in they click.

Its almost like Rae and Ghost over again with him and Conway. Conway has the bars, Gunn has the style. Me and Westsidegunn actually has had a few wars on instagram cause he thinks he is nicer than he really is. He gets REAL cocky and starts saying crazy ****. He respects me thoe and has even had to acknowledge what I was saying was correct a few times.

Im very selective in what songs I like from Gunn, but overall I like him.