Phil can GTFO out now *** PJ willing to deal KP per Woj.

[GettinitDone]

Phil is asking for too much meaning he's only willing to deal Porzingis if some team overpays.

This is one of the offers he made:

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He knew Suns would obviously not do that but he took a shot just in case.

Y'all need to chill, Porzingis ain't going anywhere.

You're right but at the same time the other 29 teams EXPECT Phil to ask them to overpay if they want KP.

And 1 team CAN AFFORD to overpay, the Leprechauns. And with even more picks (than most teams have without trading them) they will STILL keep AFTER giving a few to us, they're in a position to do it. This is what accumulating all of those picks from all of these past years is for in the first place.

The player would be a perfect fit to their system, their long term plan considering he's young.

The ultimate goal in this L is to win a championship, and if overpaying is the straightest line to do it, a team that is managed/ run superbly will do it. Keeping picks and develop one of the players to become a franchise player is, on the other hand, often a bumpy road.

I expect Ainge, prepared to overpay, to call Phil in the next few days before the draft.

[Revived]

Phil is asking for too much meaning he's only willing to deal Porzingis if some team overpays.

This is one of the offers he made:

Read on Twitter

He knew Suns would obviously not do that but he took a shot just in case.

Y'all need to chill, Porzingis ain't going anywhere.

You're right but at the same time the other 29 teams EXPECT Phil to ask them to overpay if they want KP.

And 1 team CAN AFFORD to overpay, the Leprechauns. And with even more picks (than most teams have without trading them) they will STILL keep AFTER giving a few to us, they're in a position to do it. This is what accumulating all of those picks from all of these past years is for in the first place.

The player would be a perfect fit to their system, their long term plan considering he's young.

The ultimate goal in this L is to win a championship, and if overpaying is the straightest line to do it, a team that is managed/ run superbly will do it. Keeping picks and develop one of the players to become a franchise player is, on the other hand, often a bumpy road.

I expect Ainge, prepared to overpay, to call Phil in the next few days before the draft.

Even if he did trade him, I don't think Phil would trade him within the same conference.

[ChilledAlex]

Only one thing is for sure. If KP reads this board then he is gone at first possibility

[yb90]

So Phil wants an overrated terrible player and a top lottery pick. That's a very low standard for KP. If I'm a lottery team I'm on the phone right now. Phil basically asked the kings for Hield and the 5th pick.

[GettinitDone]

Phil is asking for too much meaning he's only willing to deal Porzingis if some team overpays.

This is one of the offers he made:

Read on Twitter

He knew Suns would obviously not do that but he took a shot just in case.

Y'all need to chill, Porzingis ain't going anywhere.

You're right but at the same time the other 29 teams EXPECT Phil to ask them to overpay if they want KP.

And 1 team CAN AFFORD to overpay, the Leprechauns. And with even more picks (than most teams have without trading them) they will STILL keep AFTER giving a few to us, they're in a position to do it. This is what accumulating all of those picks from all of these past years is for in the first place.

The player would be a perfect fit to their system, their long term plan considering he's young.

The ultimate goal in this L is to win a championship, and if overpaying is the straightest line to do it, a team that is managed/ run superbly will do it. Keeping picks and develop one of the players to become a franchise player is, on the other hand, often a bumpy road.

I expect Ainge, prepared to overpay, to call Phil in the next few days before the draft.

Even if he did trade him, I don't think Phil would trade him within the same conference.

The same way Ainge wouldn't trade 2017 3rd pick, 2018 Lakers/ Kings 1st rd pick, maybe Crowder, and more 2nd rd picks to us within the same division/ conference? Avoiding to trade within the same division/ conference is overrated imo... at the end of the day, you must beat 3 teams within the same division/ conference, regardless if they get better from acquiring our players or from other teams, in order to get to the Finals.

I'm an advocate for trading KP to Boston because I think they will overpay. I'm not sold on KP being a franchise player who imo lacks creativity/ imagination in his offense, falls in love with the 3s too much, and showed less enthusiasm to rebound or block shots in his 2nd year. I mean if I have to tell him in his face, I would, like "you have to understand the thing that made you a unicorn was your imposing presence in the paint, that double digit rebounder, and all the time shot blocker. But if you regress to a 7 rpg guy, and jacks up 3s within 1 second of getting the ball from outside the 3 pt line, then you're trending toward Bargnani, not the Unicorn."

I want to keep KP and hope he will go back to being the beast in the paint (defensively and offensively) AND perimeter, but from 2+ decades of watching the game, I've come to learn that most players who made their name by terrorising the paint offensively but then fell in love with 3s, it's hard to get them to turn back around.

[Cookies4Life]

There's no way this situation can end well. Even if he stays, it's been put out there (whether it actually happened or not,) that Phil looked into trading him to Phoenix.

If this kid was supposed to be the cornerstone/franchise player for the next decade, than info like this should've never been leaked out in the first place. As one of the media pundits put it, this is just adding extra poison to an already toxic situation.

PJ already has a bad relationship with Melo, a guy he gave a NTC near max contract to (no one forced him to do so,) and now he's seemingly going to be on the outs with our young budding star.

I don't agree with how KP handled the end of the season; you don't miss your "performance evaluation" with your employer, but there were a myriad of other ways to resolve this matter between player and upper management. I thought I've seen it all as a fan of this team for nearly 30 years, this adds a whole new level of dysfunction to this ridiculous franchise.

[Cookies4Life]

So Phil wants an overrated terrible player and a top lottery pick. That's a very low standard for KP. If I'm a lottery team I'm on the phone right now. Phil basically asked the kings for Hield and the 5th pick.

Devin Booker is a better prospect than Hield. I believe Hield is already 23/24 whereas Booker is one of the youngest players in the entire NBA.

I think it would be more palatable if the knicks added maybe the rights to swap 2 first round picks with Phoenix for 2018 and 2019, obviously dependent on Pho having a worse record than us in the future.

[ctorres]

The way I see it, the Knicks put it out there that KP's trade value is Devin Booker + the #4 pick.

There has to be a team that can make an offer as good or better than what the Knicks asked from the Suns.

[BasicBall]

The way I see it, the Knicks put it out there that KP's trade value is Devin Booker + the #4 pick.

There has to be a team that can make an offer as good or better than what the Knicks asked from the Suns.

I'd deal KP for Andrew Wiggins STRAIGHT UP! But I bet Minnesota wouldn't take him. I'm sorry, but KP blowing off that exit interview rubbed me the wrong way.

[FemaleDogPlease]

The way I see it, the Knicks put it out there that KP's trade value is Devin Booker + the #4 pick.

There has to be a team that can make an offer as good or better than what the Knicks asked from the Suns.

I'd deal KP for Andrew Wiggins STRAIGHT UP! But I bet Minnesota wouldn't take him. I'm sorry, but KP blowing off that exit interview rubbed me the wrong way.

[Cookies4Life]

The way I see it, the Knicks put it out there that KP's trade value is Devin Booker + the #4 pick.

There has to be a team that can make an offer as good or better than what the Knicks asked from the Suns.

I'd deal KP for Andrew Wiggins STRAIGHT UP! But I bet Minnesota wouldn't take him. I'm sorry, but KP blowing off that exit interview rubbed me the wrong way.

Wiggins is a bit of an inefficient, high volume type of scorer.

I'd much rather swing the Booker and #4 deal (unless Minny would entertain the #7 plus WIggins.) It's much easier to find scoring wings in this league compared to 2 way bigs with Kristaps' potential.

[thebuzzardman]

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Ah damn. There goes taking on Turner's bloated contract for the Blazer's 15th pick!

[NBA Fan 1234]

I disagree that keeping picks means nothing. I doubt you'd be fine with us not at least having our #8 pick right now. I know I'd be pissed. Hopefully CMFGB finds us a gem

"He did something not stupid" by keeping the picks. Meaning, he did the thing you're supposed to do. He gets no credit from me from not trading first round picks (he traded seconds, mind you) because it's the RIGHT thing and what GMs are supposed to do. It's like saying, "congrats, you hit a 1 under...on a 1 under hole" - he didn't do anything special, he did what was expected. Obviously I'd be pissed if he traded the pick, I didn't think anyone would get that from what I said...my mistake if I should have been clearer, but I thought what I said was straightforward.

Well, we run the risk of doing "something stupid" by going back to how things were run. Speaking of which, we're probably starting to go in a circle. I think keeping the picks are significant because it's something is organization never did, and now we're starting to do. You think keeping the picks are a given, and should not be considered when evaluating the dude in charge. We'll agree to disagree.

Sure, but we ran that risk when we signed Jackson so the risk was there in the beginning as well...then it was no longer a risk. Neither you nor I can say with any certainty whatsoever that the next GM will or will not trade picks. Not trading picks doesn't deserve any praise though because you're not supposed to trade them.

Like I said, I'm willing to roll the dice to get rid of Phil and I've never gambled before in my life...you aren't. It is what it is, so I'm cool agreeing to disagree.

[thebuzzardman]

you guys are up in here writing dissertations on the corruption of Latvian youth in the nba while i'm here for the beyonce gifs.

the discussion did get serious and rational . i apologize. it's not like me.

I can't believe I posted something like 30 times about KP and didn't call him Shaun Van Novacamby even once.

[amsterdamknicks]

In his second season he already is demonstrating prima donna traits, I don't like that at all.

Take into account that he doesn't look like an alpha, health is always a concern with big men, I take a supposed package from Boston with this years #3 pick and next years Brooklyn pick.

What do we have going forward?

WHG
Ntikilina
Fox/Tatum
Next years Brooklyn pick

After years of debating Eddy Curry's offseason weight gain/loss this looks pretty good to me

[FixTheKnicks]

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Not that I'm for trading KP but if we can a team like Boston or Philly to give us this, it might be a trade we actually win.

[Sark]

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Not that I'm for trading KP but if we can a team like Boston or Philly to give us this, it might be a trade we actually win.

Now that's a trade you consider. Anything less is simply way too little, and anyone who would accept less is selling us way too short.

[GEOLINK]

In his second season he already is demonstrating prima donna traits, I don't like that at all.

Take into account that he doesn't look like an alpha, health is always a concern with big men, I take a supposed package from Boston with this years #3 pick and next years Brooklyn pick.

What do we have going forward?

WHG
Ntikilina
Fox/Tatum
Next years Brooklyn pick

After years of debating Eddy Curry's offseason weight gain/loss this looks pretty good to me

Not to mention the injuries really started to rack up last season.

[3toheadmelo]

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[GEOLINK]

What would be the reaction if we trade Porzingis to Boston, they give us the #3 pick + next year's Brooklyn pick + SAC-LAL pick.

And on draft night we take Fox wih the 3 pick and with the 8th pick we take Monk to reunite those two here.