Knicks sign Hardaway

Kurt Rambis · Post #1601 » by **Kurt Rambis** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:49 pm

Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

After he was traded

It's like a horror franchise…:lol:

Post #1602 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:49 pm

KT did you see THjr advance defensive metrics? He has a -3.5 FG% against when defending an opponent. That actually somewhat impresses me. You obviously have to look at the eye test (I can say I didn't watch much of him last year). But the stats suggest he became a much better defender.

If this is the case...I could start coming around on this.

Esq-4 · Post #1603 » by **Esq-4** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:49 pm

Could have given that contract to Rondo...at least THJr is young

E-Balla · Post #1604 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:50 pm

j4remi wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
j4remi wrote:So they whiffed on Waiters and made a panic offer roughly 25 million dollars higher than the Hawks were prepared to match...I hope this works out, Timmy showed some signs but his improved defense just meant he wasn't trash any more, he's not the secondary ball handler to relieve Frank and while his three point shooting is good his percentages reflect poor shot selection even at his supposed strength. I'm not happy.

They didn't wiff on Waiters. It was mere speculation on some interest as well as Rondo etc. and nothing you heard from the Knicks. Waiters was not going to be a good fit here as he hogs the ball, neither is Rondo.

This is a young, tall and athletic backcourt the team is putting together with great shooters.

I didn't say Waiters was gonna be good, I didn't like that idea either. But Waiters was more valuable than THJ last season and considering THJ had zero rumors and this move happened right after Waiters decision, I'm guessing those Waiters rumors had serious legs (they weren't just NY beat rumors).

THJ needs to shoot above 38% from 3 and make more than 2 per game before I use "great shooter" in the same sentence as his name. For now he's a pretty good shooter with a career 35% 3 pt average.

Watch more games if you think Waiters was better than Tim. That's so far off the truth. Atlanta's season turned around when he hit the starting lineup. This deal is a steal if Atlanta doesn't match (they will). He averaged 18/4/3 when in the starting lineup, lead the team in on/off, was 43rd in the league in RAPM (which is the best raw measurement of impact on the court), and he was the 2nd best player on a 43 win team.

Waiters was good but for all.the hype he got for finally not being a scrub the real story of their season was how great James Johnson and Goran Dragic played.

Jimmit79 · Post #1605 » by **Jimmit79** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:50 pm

I was surprised how much thjr has improved his offense since he got traded not happy with the money but will be fun to watch him in run and gun

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Post #1606 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:50 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:is the board upset because of how we remembered tim? cause it looks like he got better last season. maybe his defense got better?

Regarding his defense improving...

Yes, he was better with the Hawks definitely. But to be honest, it couldn't have gotten any worse cause Hardaway Jr was one of the worst defensive SG's in the NBA when he was with the Knicks. Let's hope for the best.

Post #1607 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:50 pm

j4remi wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I don't think we were ever going to be as bad as people hoped next year unless guys miss some games.

Yea we have a similar team... Another 30-33 win season and picking 8-10

If we unload Melo and Lee, we should be able to tank harder imo.

True, i dont have a lot of faith that can happen in the right way

DaGawd · Post #1608 » by **DaGawd** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:50 pm

Esq-4 wrote:Could have given that contract to Rondo...at least THJr is young

Now THIS would've pissed me off...

Esq-4 · Post #1609 » by **Esq-4** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:51 pm

Kurt Rambis wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

After he was traded

It's like a horror franchise…:lol:

Dad Melo...?

Since it might be a reality, does adding THJr and subtracting Rose make us a playoff team?

Billy Goat · Post #1610 » by **Billy Goat** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:51 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:You let the same exact player in Holiday walk for nothing and give Hardaway 71 million plus the poison pill. Sounds like the Knicks.

to be fair, and I am the farthest thing from a THjr fan, but THjr has a ton more offensive talent than Justin Holiday.

They're really not that far off. And when you consider the contracts, it's totally perplexing. TS% and 3% are basically identical

MaseInYourFace · Post #1611 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:51 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:is the board upset because of how we remembered tim? cause it looks like he got better last season. maybe his defense got better?

Partially but I think it's mostly the contract and the lack of a clear direction.

E-Balla · Post #1612 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:52 pm

mpharris36 wrote:KT did you see THjr advance defensive metrics? He has a -3.5 FG% against when defending an opponent. That actually somewhat impresses me. You obviously have to look at the eye test (I can say I didn't watch much of him last year). But the stats suggest he became a much better defender.

If this is the case...I could start coming around on this.

I'M TELLING Y'ALL TIM IS NOT THE SAME PLAYER HE'S A BEAST IN ATLANTA!

I live here I saw him at least 50 times in the last 2 years. Y'all probably just saw his stinkers in the playoffs.

Post #1613 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:53 pm

He looked a lot better last season, but you know he's going to regress back as soon as he puts on a knicks jersey

Fat · Post #1614 » by **Fat** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:53 pm

good looking on ATL but will regress once he puts on that knick jersey

Post #1615 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:54 pm

Esq-4 wrote:
Kurt Rambis wrote:
Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

After he was traded

It's like a horror franchise…:lol:

Dad Melo...?

Since it might be a reality, does adding THJr and subtracting Rose make us a playoff team?

Not unless at least a few of the following teams is moved to the Western Conference or disbanded...Celtics, Cavs, Raptors, Wizards, Bucks, Heat, Hornets and (dare I say) Sixers.

Post #1616 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:54 pm

Billy Goat wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:You let the same exact player in Holiday walk for nothing and give Hardaway 71 million plus the poison pill. Sounds like the Knicks.

to be fair, and I am the farthest thing from a THjr fan, but THjr has a ton more offensive talent than Justin Holiday.

They're really not that far off. And when you consider the contracts, it's totally perplexing. TS% and 3% are basically identical

there is a bit of a gap. THjr over the last half of the season really started to separate himself. I think you can make the argument he is ascending. Holiday is who holiday is at this point.

Greenie · Post #1617 » by **Greenie** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:54 pm

Jose7 wrote:
Greenie wrote:
K P 6 wrote:It's the new cba. It's just what guys are getting paid. Deal with it. Dude carried Atlanta in the second half. He's a hard worker. With no Melo we would need scoring and he's capable. I'm tying to live with it because he's 24 and the contract is probably 50 mil in the old cba which he would of got anyway. It's the new norm.

People bugging about the money don't understand the new cap. It's 100 million, not 60.

Can you re quote your post with Timmy videos -- I can't Find it. Thanks

Which one?

MaseInYourFace · Post #1618 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:55 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:
Knicks Byke wrote:is the board upset because of how we remembered tim? cause it looks like he got better last season. maybe his defense got better?

Partially but I think it's mostly the contract and the lack of a clear direction.

They play totally different though and Timmy presumably still has a reservoir of potential there. I was on record wanting Holiday back but you have to admit Timmy is a more enticing player offensively at least.

F N 11 · Post #1619 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:55 pm

If y'all could get over the money (which is the new norm) I think y'all would come around. Wait until other restricted guys sign heir deals. You guys would have heart attacks.

Post #1620 » by **HerSports85** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:55 pm

dakomish23 wrote:The PJax defenders are having a field day, but let's compare his big signing last summer to the one Mills just made as they got the same contract:

Noah played 29 games the season before
THJ played 79 games the season before

Noah lost his starting job on a non playoff team
THJ gained the starting job on a playoff team

Noah was coming off a year of career low scoring and shooting
THJ was coming off a year of career high scoring and shooting

Noah was coming in to start over a young prospect
THJ is coming in to start over an older player

Noah was 31 when he signed
THJ was 25 when he signed

I'm not defending the signing. I would of stopped at 14 per, IF I was even interested in signing THJ, which I wasn't. But using this to boost PJax is ridiculous.

This is not a soapbox

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