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Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?)

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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1601 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:kp is still doomed. who's the creator now ? frank or ron baker ? melo is a better creator than either one. kp better be working on those iso moves.


I think you may be overlooking that the team will need to move the ball in general now, and that can cause a change in their ability to get open shots. It depends on the coach and whether they take on a new identity, but we've seen teams lose their most talented offensive player and get better before. It seems more common than rare actually.

Gay leaving Toronto, Cousins leaving Sac ... to take two recent examples that come to mind. Both those teams started trending up, at least in the brand of basketball on the court ... which is hard to measure objectively. The wins followed for Toronto and they will for Sac too.

You can say They got Lowry and DeRozan, two good individual scorers, but do we really know whether guys like that can ever emerge if there is someone like Melo at the top? And yes I know Melo is better than Gay. Still same principle.
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1602 » by Yankeeknickfan » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:28 pm

putiger78 wrote:KP struggled in a lot of games without Melo. Everyone likes to kill Melo but he still draws double teams, except for a handful of the top wing defenders that could defend him straight up.

That's becuase he wasn't used to being the first option. If you watch the games, you'll see that he was able to get off the shots, but was rushing it, or off. That'll get better with more reps
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1603 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:28 pm

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god shammgod wrote:kp is still doomed. who's the creator now ? frank or ron baker ? melo is a better creator than either one. kp better be working on those iso moves.

He showed the ability to get the shots off last yr, but he was rusty, so they were off. He'll be fine with some reps as the consistent #1 option


I can't wait for Latvia to play :nod:


when are those games ?
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1604 » by KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm

god shammgod wrote:kp is still doomed. who's the creator now ? frank or ron baker ? melo is a better creator than either one. kp better be working on those iso moves.

This might actually force KP to learn some post up moves which will make him an all around better player.
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1605 » by Yankeeknickfan » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:29 pm

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Yankeeknickfan wrote:He showed the ability to get the shots off last yr, but he was rusty, so they were off. He'll be fine with some reps as the consistent #1 option


I can't wait for Latvia to play :nod:


when are those games ?

And what time?
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1606 » by frogfood » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:31 pm

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bigtimeRC3 wrote:olympics melo, dad melo, fat melo. we experienced every kind of melo. too bad his best years were at denver and we didnt really get to see denver melo . he was much more dominant as a scorer. we only got a glimpse of that in 2011.


cant forget Welo.


Which era was funny hats melo?
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1607 » by malik959 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:31 pm

I would welcome Lin back with open arms if he were traded. Lin mentoring Frank and distributing to KP/Willy with THJ on the wing would be fun to watch.
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Post#1608 » by Knicksrule2k4 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:31 pm

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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1609 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:32 pm

I really believe the CLE rumors are leaks to push Morey's hand. Like we aren't the ones disposing of Leonard, you are. Or we will go somewhere else. HOU needs to give up the additional asset to move leonards deal and I believe that is where the pressure is now coming from CLE.

To me it means the deal is getting close.
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1610 » by louieOrr » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:32 pm

Dantares wrote:We should be in good position. If the Cavs are offering osman, 1st round pick and expirings then morey has to come up with a better deal. If he can't then just take the Cleveland deal and we will actually have won a trade. 1 first round pick and a good young prospect without taking back any bad contracts is a win.


This comes close to meeting our requirements. First round pick albeit more like a 2nd round as late as clev will pick. Young Prospect, cap relief. Now time for Cleveland and Houston to start bidding if this is true.

Play Hardball, be patient and smart. You can only remove the laughingstock stigma one win at a time. We need to win this trade. Winning cures all. Build a team that can grow toward contention. Then we have an opportunity to add some pieces to put us over the hump.

At this point we can only get there one win at a time. Front office, on the court , you name it. We have to win. If tanking next year en rout to another big piece, then were winning.

If the young guns go out there and exceed expectations, we again are winning.

If Melo doesn't get traded because we stood our ground, then regardless of the backlash, were winning.

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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1611 » by Knicksrule2k4 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:32 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I really believe the CLE rumors are leaks to push Morey's hand. Like we aren't the ones disposing of Leonard, you are. Or we will go somewhere else. HOU needs to give up the additional asset to move leonards deal and I believe that is where the pressure is now coming from CLE.

To me it means the deal is getting close.


Are you Jason Kidd's son? Lol
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Post#1612 » by juandavidgv » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:33 pm

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Man this dude is such a ball hog. Kp and Lee were both wide open.

Can not wait till this guy is gone!!!

He's got the most go ahead field goals made within 5 seconds or left in clutch time since like 06. Once Melo is gone your problems will still be there. It's the owner the one who you have to get rid of.

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Post#1613 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:33 pm

the knicks will run more and get more easy points. but when they get forced in the half court they're gonna be really bad. they have no real point. they have no great individual scorer. you will see a lot of hero ball from timmy or kp because there will be no other option.
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Re: Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?) 

Post#1614 » by Ralphie96 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:33 pm

Dantares wrote:We should be in good position. If the Cavs are offering osman, 1st round pick and expirings then morey has to come up with a better deal. If he can't then just take the Cleveland deal and we will actually have won a trade. 1 first round pick and a good young prospect without taking back any bad contracts is a win.


dont think they can offer osman since they just signed him
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Post#1615 » by Knicksrule2k4 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:34 pm

One thing I can't wait for is in the last second of a game down 2.. Melo has the ball dribbles until the last second and throws up a brick.. don't have to see that anymore
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Post#1616 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:35 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I really believe the CLE rumors are leaks to push Morey's hand. Like we aren't the ones disposing of Leonard, you are. Or we will go somewhere else. HOU needs to give up the additional asset to move leonards deal and I believe that is where the pressure is now coming from CLE.

To me it means the deal is getting close.


Are the Clev rumors from anyone legit though?
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Post#1617 » by frogfood » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:35 pm

juandavidgv wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:
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Man this dude is such a ball hog. Kp and Lee were both wide open.

Can not wait till this guy is gone!!!

He's got the most go ahead field goals made within 5 seconds or left in clutch time since like 06. Once Melo is gone your problems will still be there. It's the owner the one who you have to get rid of.

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Yeah, he has the most go-ahead FGs within {{ CHERRY-PICKED TIMEFRAME }} because he never PASSES! SHOCKING!!!!!
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Post#1618 » by Knicksrule2k4 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:36 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:I really believe the CLE rumors are leaks to push Morey's hand. Like we aren't the ones disposing of Leonard, you are. Or we will go somewhere else. HOU needs to give up the additional asset to move leonards deal and I believe that is where the pressure is now coming from CLE.

To me it means the deal is getting close.


Are the Clev rumors from anyone legit though?


Yea, bleacher report quotes Woj in the story about Cleveland still pursuing Melo
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Post#1619 » by Traveyknicks23 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:36 pm

malik959 wrote:I would welcome Lin back with open arms if he were traded. Lin mentoring Frank and distributing to KP/Willy with THJ on the wing would be fun to watch.
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Post#1620 » by nykgeneralmanager » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:36 pm

mpharris36 wrote:I really believe the CLE rumors are leaks to push Morey's hand. Like we aren't the ones disposing of Leonard, you are. Or we will go somewhere else. HOU needs to give up the additional asset to move leonards deal and I believe that is where the pressure is now coming from CLE.

To me it means the deal is getting close.


Problem is, we don't have anywhere else to go.

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