Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[Deeeez Knicks]

i guess the hawks gm, and the ones he talks to, disagrees about the pick having no value lol

Of course he is going to say that

The pick does have value but its not like they hit the lottery with this pick

[Jeffrey]

Size, length, athleticism

With no pressure of being #1 pick

Look how good he looks in GS

And it took a couple of years to get there.

Yep, Cam is 22. He doesnt have to be a savior.

No, he doesn't need to be a savior and he wasn't that in ATL. But reports were that he wants more minutes and plays run through him.

You think he will get that here? This is Thibs we're talking about.

[G_K_F]

It’s not settling for me I think it would be a huge get for us he’s averaging 24.1 ppg in the month of January he’s only 24 y/o and a very talented guard already had three 30 point games and a 29 pt game in 2022. But I forgot this is the Knicks where we have so many great PGs come through here we don’t need to settle we have very high standards I’m sure prime magic Johnson is coming any day now

My friend who doesn’t watch basketball at all can look at his stats and think ‘wow this guy scores 24 point per game, he must be good!’ That’s a very simplistic view on ball.

Basketball is a lot more nuanced than putting up points.

Fox has regressed and has never been a good or even mediocre shooter in a league that values shooting. But you want to add another volume scorer to a team full of them thinking it will be the answer.

I do see the Kentucky avatar though so it all makes sense. We should get Calipari in here too.

Cool enjoy the corpse of Kemba Walker and Mudiay and Frank Dennis brick jr and Jarrett Jack and Calderon and Felton and the other great Knicks PGs in the rich tradition of excellence here

What do any of those guys have to do with what I said?

Your solution to the PG problem is adding a guy who won't help you win many games.

Isn't it about winning? Or it about making a few Sportscenter top 10 highlight reels and saying you have a bunch of Kentucky guys on the team?

[robillionaire]

I think if this was last years draft and with the 19th pick the Knicks used it to select cam from the hawks roster + the hawks give us a future 2nd round pick, plus jettison Knox off the team, we’d be pretty good with that pick. Cuz that’s pretty much what happened

[robillionaire]

My friend who doesn’t watch basketball at all can look at his stats and think ‘wow this guy scores 24 point per game, he must be good!’ That’s a very simplistic view on ball.

Basketball is a lot more nuanced than putting up points.

Fox has regressed and has never been a good or even mediocre shooter in a league that values shooting. But you want to add another volume scorer to a team full of them thinking it will be the answer.

I do see the Kentucky avatar though so it all makes sense. We should get Calipari in here too.

Cool enjoy the corpse of Kemba Walker and Mudiay and Frank Dennis brick jr and Jarrett Jack and Calderon and Felton and the other great Knicks PGs in the rich tradition of excellence here

What do any of those guys have to do with what I said?

Your solution to the PG problem is adding a guy who won't help you win many games.

Isn't it about winning? Or it about making a few Sportscenter top 10 highlight reels and saying you have a bunch of Kentucky guys on the team?

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

[Capn'O]

no we shouldn't have. and we shouldn't have signed noel or extended randle or signed fournier or kemba or anything else anyone is suggesting in here either. i really do hate you all, i'm not kidding this time. you're horrible people. you deserve to lose in the play-in every year.

Are you kidding me? Instead of those mfer. Portis is making under $5 mil a year and putting up 15/9 on 43% shooting at 26. You think we couldn't use that as a piece for a better asset than any of the players you just mentioned????

he went to a contender for 5. we were paying him 15 mill per. i'm not so sure he takes that from us.

So we offer him 7 and give him an expanded role by not signing the other fools

[DOT]

Cam is a creator. Right now and always has been. He’s just inconsistent at making shots. That’s all it is.

Inconsistent is synonymous with bad in the NBA

You can argue semantics, and that's really all it is at this point

He might have potential to create, but his best role for now is 3-D. Have him focus on what he's best at, while developing the rest of his game slowly

It really isn't too dissimilar from RJ's development. Just RJ is better right now while Reddish arguably has more potential due to his size and athleticism over RJ.

[G_K_F]

I don't know where the idea that Reddish is a guy who creates comes from

He's like RJ last year in that he's best spotting up, but can sometimes create. But he's still bad at creating for himself

The PnR numbers look promising, around average, but the iso numbers are dreadful. Like, Frank levels of bad. 2019 and 2020, Frank was around 30-40th percentile for isos, Reddish was 14th percentile his rookie year, didn't have enough to qualify last year, and is 8th percentile this year

So like, he could develop (quite frankly, hard to get worse at isolating), but he's pretty much primarily a spot-up guy for now.

You’re letting stats fool you. Watch this video. He’s been known as a 3 level scorer since high school. His numbers look bad because he’s inconsistent asf. But the ability is there.

Watch on YouTube

;feature=emb_title

I don't know how you think this disproves anything I said

I'm not talking about potential, I even said he could develop it, I'm talking about right now. Through this year, he's been terrible at isolation, decent at PnR, but mostly best at being a spot up shooter

Frankly, I think the Middleton comp I use for RJ applies here, too. Just Cam's more athletic and less proven as a scorer. Have him develop outside in, get him to being a consistent 3pt shooter, then we can afford to let him develop the flashes he shows as a scorer because even if he never gets consistent at that, you can still play him for his 3pt shooting.

I thought you knew that highlight reels give you a full picture of a player's ability.

Watch on YouTube

[god shammgod]

Cool enjoy the corpse of Kemba Walker and Mudiay and Frank Dennis brick jr and Jarrett Jack and Calderon and Felton and the other great Knicks PGs in the rich tradition of excellence here

What do any of those guys have to do with what I said?

Your solution to the PG problem is adding a guy who won't help you win many games.

Isn't it about winning? Or it about making a few Sportscenter top 10 highlight reels and saying you have a bunch of Kentucky guys on the team?

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

so is sacramento

[G_K_F]

Cool enjoy the corpse of Kemba Walker and Mudiay and Frank Dennis brick jr and Jarrett Jack and Calderon and Felton and the other great Knicks PGs in the rich tradition of excellence here

What do any of those guys have to do with what I said?

Your solution to the PG problem is adding a guy who won't help you win many games.

Isn't it about winning? Or it about making a few Sportscenter top 10 highlight reels and saying you have a bunch of Kentucky guys on the team?

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

Adding Fox to Randle will only add to the misery.

[Jeffrey]

Imagine Reddish plays well, and the knicks just use Reddish as a bigger trade piece which will carry more value than the late protected 1st rounder

I hope that is the plan because the last thing we need is to pay him essentially on a 1.5 contract year. If we want to keep him but must trade Fournier.

My comp on him is Tim Hardaway Jr. ... extremely streaky that will frustrate us. But we have to take this chance for what we gave up, this is a good trade.

[BugginOut]

Reddish is already one of the best C&S 3 point shooters in the league and would be the best one on the team. Reddish shoots 41.9% on C&S 3s. Only players on our team that are better that that are Grimes (43.3%) and Rose (42.6%) and Reddish takes 3.1 catch and shoot 3s a game

He also has great defensive length and instincts. He gets in passing lanes and is a tough on-ball defender. The problem is his lack of focus off-ball.

He could already be a Jae Crowder or Mikal Bridges type if he committed to the 3&D role, but Atlanta was having him shoot midrange shots at will like he is Booker or KD

I can’t tell you how many clips I watched where he would get a rebound go down the court and shoot a fading step back corner mid range shot with 19 seconds left on the shot clock. Thibs would never let that BS fly here.

I think since he was on Atlanta they wanted him to experiment on offense so he could develop into a superstar (similarly how we give a longer leash to RJ), but now that he is here that mid range stuff has to go. Thibs hates the midrange shot and that’s why Randle is the only player who gets to shoot them. That’s why Reddish isn’t playing right now, Thibs needs a week or two to drill that stuff out of him and teach him his role, the injury is just an excuse.

This organization did not draft Reddish. So the fans and the FO will turn on him if he doesn’t fall in line. Hopefully he complies cause if he does he will get PAID like all other 3&D types.

[Jeffrey]

The more I think about this trade... I went from being excited to being okay with it. This reeks of Scott Perry, like another DSJr.... really talented that has been inconsistent. Unlike DSJr, he has the size and glimpse of him being really talented but how many players we can say that all around the NBA?

Thibs is still running the show and we didn't trade anyone from the rotation. We all know how strict Thibs is with his rotation, whose minutes are we taking away from?

[robillionaire]

What do any of those guys have to do with what I said?

Your solution to the PG problem is adding a guy who won't help you win many games.

Isn't it about winning? Or it about making a few Sportscenter top 10 highlight reels and saying you have a bunch of Kentucky guys on the team?

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

so is sacramento

Well yeah. Nobody wants to play there. Dudes might play inspired to get off that team. We can buy low on disgruntled players

I was at a game at MSG in spring 2019 and Fox absolutely busted the Knicks ass scored 30 something I don’t remember and of course the Kings won. He seemed like he would thrive under the lights of the garden to me.

But whatever let’s develop some g-leaguer or hope the next late 1st rounder becomes a star. A boat’s a boat but a mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. You know how much we wanted one of those.

[poeman]

Heard Reddish is out with a sprained ankle

[3toheadmelo]

Cam is a creator. Right now and always has been. He’s just inconsistent at making shots. That’s all it is.

Inconsistent is synonymous with bad in the NBA

You can argue semantics, and that's really all it is at this point

He might have potential to create, but his best role for now is 3-D. Have him focus on what he's best at, while developing the rest of his game slowly

It really isn't too dissimilar from RJ's development. Just RJ is better right now while Reddish arguably has more potential due to his size and athleticism over RJ.

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

[god shammgod]

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

so is sacramento

Well yeah. Nobody wants to play there. Dudes might play inspired to get off that team. We can buy low on disgruntled players

I was at a game at MSG in spring 2019 and Fox absolutely busted the Knicks ass scored 30 something I don’t remember and of course the Kings won. He seemed like he would thrive under the lights of the garden to me.

But whatever let’s develop some g-leaguer or hope the next late 1st rounder becomes a star. A boat’s a boat but a mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. You know how much we wanted one of those.

i hope you put the box in the boat and they both sink

[Deeeez Knicks]

-No to Turner
-Yes to Fox
-Find someone to take Randle, Fourner, Burks, Noel, Kemba

[Jeffrey]

Heard Reddish is out with a sprained ankle

Man just saw that. He's been out 33% of his career.

[DowNY]

Knicks YouTube just posted RJ’s post practice interview. He seems happy about his “Duke brother” joining him.