OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[GONYK]

Maybe I'm impatient but I'd can both Schoen and Daboll in the offseason and start over again. This current regime is clearly not working and have not done enough to deserve another season imo. At the very least you wanted them to start a culture and be competitive at home by year 3 and we're still an embarrassment. You cannot blame Jones for everything either. I honestly think we'll still be here in 2026-2027 with no progress if we continue with Schoen and Daboll.

I agree this year has to be the year you make a decision on them either way. I can see both sides of the coin. And certainly wouldn't be heart broken if they both got canned.

But if you don't can them they are getting there new QB next offseason and probably trading up to do it. So Mara better be right either way because you aren't going to fire them one year after they have a rookie qb. ANd you aren't putting a new GM 1 year after the team traded up to draft there QB and he doesn't get to draft his own guy.

That would be a disaster.

Mara either thinks Schoen/Daboll can do this and will trust them picking next QB or he should move on in the offseason.

Now the question is do we trust Mara to make the right call on that....off recent history...no so I am just hoping for the best at this point.

It's not that simple though, because if we don't have a high pick, then the new FO has to come in and use the scouts and the scouting reports from the previous regime.

If you think Schoen's team and process are bad on that front, firing him doesn't really wash it away until the next draft.

Not an ideal environment to trade up for a QB.

[mpharris36]

Maybe I'm impatient but I'd can both Schoen and Daboll in the offseason and start over again. This current regime is clearly not working and have not done enough to deserve another season imo. At the very least you wanted them to start a culture and be competitive at home by year 3 and we're still an embarrassment. You cannot blame Jones for everything either. I honestly think we'll still be here in 2026-2027 with no progress if we continue with Schoen and Daboll.

I agree this year has to be the year you make a decision on them either way. I can see both sides of the coin. And certainly wouldn't be heart broken if they both got canned.

But if you don't can them they are getting there new QB next offseason and probably trading up to do it. So Mara better be right either way because you aren't going to fire them one year after they have a rookie qb. ANd you aren't putting a new GM 1 year after the team traded up to draft there QB and he doesn't get to draft his own guy.

That would be a disaster.

Mara either thinks Schoen/Daboll can do this and will trust them picking next QB or he should move on in the offseason.

Now the question is do we trust Mara to make the right call on that....off recent history...no so I am just hoping for the best at this point.

It's not that simple though, because if we don't have a high pick, then the new FO has to come in and use the scouts and the scouting reports from the previous regime.

If you think Schoen's team and process are bad on that front, firing him doesn't really wash it away until the next draft.

Not an ideal environment to trade up for a QB.

Probably not ideal either way. But you would be picking from a likely candidate doing his own evaluation with his current team on the QB's...so maybe because it such a high profile pick its going to be a GM/HC/Owner call on the QB decision anyway...likely the scouts for that high level of a move wouldn't be relied on as much.

For more of the rest of the draft I would understand that more to rely on Schoen's old scouting regime to influence picks like that. Not a trade up for a QB though...only a few of the top guys should be a part of that high level of a decision.

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[GONYK]

I agree this year has to be the year you make a decision on them either way. I can see both sides of the coin. And certainly wouldn't be heart broken if they both got canned.

But if you don't can them they are getting there new QB next offseason and probably trading up to do it. So Mara better be right either way because you aren't going to fire them one year after they have a rookie qb. ANd you aren't putting a new GM 1 year after the team traded up to draft there QB and he doesn't get to draft his own guy.

That would be a disaster.

Mara either thinks Schoen/Daboll can do this and will trust them picking next QB or he should move on in the offseason.

Now the question is do we trust Mara to make the right call on that....off recent history...no so I am just hoping for the best at this point.

It's not that simple though, because if we don't have a high pick, then the new FO has to come in and use the scouts and the scouting reports from the previous regime.

If you think Schoen's team and process are bad on that front, firing him doesn't really wash it away until the next draft.

Not an ideal environment to trade up for a QB.

Probably not ideal either way. But you would be picking from a likely candidate doing his own evaluation with his current team on the QB's...so maybe because it such a high profile pick its going to be a GM/HC/Owner call on the QB decision anyway...likely the scouts for that high level of a move wouldn't be relied on as much.

For more of the rest of the draft I would understand that more to rely on Schoen's old scouting regime to influence picks like that. Not a trade up for a QB though...only a few of the top guys should be a part of that high level of a decision.

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Yea, that's why it would be ideal to have a high pick. This draft's a little complicated because there's no real home run QB.

[mpharris36]

It's not that simple though, because if we don't have a high pick, then the new FO has to come in and use the scouts and the scouting reports from the previous regime.

If you think Schoen's team and process are bad on that front, firing him doesn't really wash it away until the next draft.

Not an ideal environment to trade up for a QB.

Probably not ideal either way. But you would be picking from a likely candidate doing his own evaluation with his current team on the QB's...so maybe because it such a high profile pick its going to be a GM/HC/Owner call on the QB decision anyway...likely the scouts for that high level of a move wouldn't be relied on as much.

For more of the rest of the draft I would understand that more to rely on Schoen's old scouting regime to influence picks like that. Not a trade up for a QB though...only a few of the top guys should be a part of that high level of a decision.

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Yea, that's why it would be ideal to have a high pick. This draft's a little complicated because there's no real home run QB.

Yeah there are probably home run QB's and I have guys I like more than others. But yes its not like Andrew Luck is coming out as the sure fire #1 pick.

I think you can make a case for a few guys up there...that isn't the worse thing that means you have a chance to get the best QB and might not need the #1 pick to do it. But the downside is you better be right if you do trade up because there isn't a lock #1 guy.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Probably not ideal either way. But you would be picking from a likely candidate doing his own evaluation with his current team on the QB's...so maybe because it such a high profile pick its going to be a GM/HC/Owner call on the QB decision anyway...likely the scouts for that high level of a move wouldn't be relied on as much.

For more of the rest of the draft I would understand that more to rely on Schoen's old scouting regime to influence picks like that. Not a trade up for a QB though...only a few of the top guys should be a part of that high level of a decision.

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Yea, that's why it would be ideal to have a high pick. This draft's a little complicated because there's no real home run QB.

Yeah there are probably home run QB's and I have guys I like more than others. But yes its not like Andrew Luck is coming out as the sure fire #1 pick.

I think you can make a case for a few guys up there...that isn't the worse thing that means you have a chance to get the best QB and might not need the #1 pick to do it. But the downside is you better be right if you do trade up because there isn't a lock #1 guy.

i have cam ward at #1 and for me it isn't really close

[TerrenceClarke]

so it looks like schoen and daboll gonna be here for a while, and it looks like daniel jones is not for long

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This is a dumb approach. You dont want to be patient with mediocrity. He made the right calls with Shurmur and Judge etc, so now he thinks he is to hasty if he cans these dudes.

We in the same poisition we were in with Judge and Getty, just with a more expensive roster. We are not trending up so what is the patient about lol.

Its mad early so this can be all fluff, but if we end with less that 5 wins. Im not sure you can talk about patience. Like what are you waiting to see.

We are talking about a duo that has had the Giants in the bottom of the NFL 2/ 3 seasons they been here. The first year was trash as well, but it does not look like it cause they snuck into the playoffs.

We have a bum owner as well. smh

Not saying I'm on board bringing either back. It's also still early in the season. If they finish horribly and the team starts giving up like the defense did in the 2nd half for the end of the season things can change.

I think mid season he said Mcadoo and Judge job's were safe as well and they were fired before the next year started.

Now Mcadoo handled the Eli benching like sh*t and Judge embarrassed the team with the press conferences going at fans insulting them that this is a process and we are making progress in areas you can't see. Also the b2b qb sneaks made us the laughing stock. So they kinda forced Mara's hand to cut the cord.

So I feel like they gotta do something really bad no just bad player to warrant being fired.

Also when Schoen came in we were still doing draft boards on binders and had no modern day technology...also not even answer trade calls because our mind was made up. Like at least we are a modern organization.

Again that isn't saying a lot and proof is in the pudding...the the last two years have been the last two years and records speak for itself...but that is just my opinion on the matter.

We have changed to modern day tech but what has changed about the roster? Nothing. It’s not as if our drafting ability has improved with the new tech. We actually have whiffed pretty bad on our picks overall with this new “approach” give me a dude that can spot talent without tech is what I say.

I said earlier it’s early so it can be fluff but unless the we drastically change. The need to go.

This is a coach whose team looked like they quit in a game with a division rival. That’s not something im trying to give patience to. There is not one trait that Daboll has shown that makes you say. Let’s not give up on him.

It was a bad signing. The quicker you realize that the better as the owner

[FrozenEnvelope]

Looking forward to a nice Sunday without the Giants ruining it.

[Ghetto Gospel]

down 3-0, might be an insurmountable lead already

[mpharris36]

how do you miss that hold...nabers had a walk in touchdown if porter didn't pull his arm

[mpharris36]

we getting jobbed

[F N 11]

Lmao Giants are a joke.

[Ghetto Gospel]

looks like thats that, one step closer to our next qb

[Ghetto Gospel]

what was that..?

[jvsimonetti0514]

Fire daboll. wtf was that? Why go for 2 points there?

[mpharris36]

yeah single covering watt? coaching staff needs to go.

you have a RB that is there and he doesn't chip?

explain to me how we aren't blocking the best edge in the sport?

[jvsimonetti0514]

Matter of 3 plays. Lose Tracey to a concussion than 2 tj watt sacks in a row. Poverty franchise.

[TerrenceClarke]

yeah single covering watt? coaching staff needs to go.

you have a RB that is there and he doesn't chip?

explain to me how we aren't blocking the best edge in the sport?

Back to last week convo. Mara bugging if he don’t clean house.

We have to start over. Him holding on even one more year is suicide.

What more does he need to see…..

[mpharris36]

yeah single covering watt? coaching staff needs to go.

you have a RB that is there and he doesn't chip?

explain to me how we aren't blocking the best edge in the sport?

Back to last week convo. Mara bugging if he don’t clean house.

We have to start over. Him holding on even one more year is suicide.

What more does he need to see…..

Only thing I can think of is the Jets are just as big of a disaster and as much as it shouldn't matter Mara does care about back pages and fan reaction and all the coaching turnover there he might try to sell "stability".

But I'm more out on Daboll than Schoen at this point even though they probably should be a package deal.

Schoen draft class might save him. Nabers if he can cut down on the drops will be a top WR in the league. Phillips and Nubin look like starters in the secondary as rookies. Theo Johnson has some potential at TE. And Tracy looks like a flat out steal in the 5th round. I also appreciate that he made the right call not paying Barkley and as already found a super productive RB for dirt cheap.

And I also don't know the "internal" evaluations. LIke if they really thought Jayden Daniels was a star and the QB they wanted to trade up for the most then that would make me at least feel like the QB evaluation process is good. And that is obviously important going into the coming offseason where drafting a QB is a must.

[TerrenceClarke]

yeah single covering watt? coaching staff needs to go.

you have a RB that is there and he doesn't chip?

explain to me how we aren't blocking the best edge in the sport?

Back to last week convo. Mara bugging if he don’t clean house.

We have to start over. Him holding on even one more year is suicide.

What more does he need to see…..

Only thing I can think of is the Jets are just as big of a disaster and as much as it shouldn't matter Mara does care about back pages and fan reaction and all the coaching turnover there he might try to sell "stability".

But I'm more out on Daboll than Schoen at this point even though they probably should be a package deal.

Schoen draft class might save him. Nabers if he can cut down on the drops will be a top WR in the league. Phillips and Nubin look like starters in the secondary as rookies. Theo Johnson has some potential at TE. And Tracy looks like a flat out steal in the 5th round. I also appreciate that he made the right call not paying Barkley and as already found a super productive RB for dirt cheap.

And I also don't know the "internal" evaluations. LIke if they really thought Jayden Daniels was a star and the QB they wanted to trade up for the most then that would make me at least feel like the QB evaluation process is good. And that is obviously important going into the coming offseason where drafting a QB is a must.

I really hate when scrubs mess up the tank. Every time I see Daniels. I think about Devito stealing games. I usally am not Jealous but damn Im Jealous of Washington. we was litterally in position for him untill he came in.

[mpharris36]

Back to last week convo. Mara bugging if he don’t clean house.

We have to start over. Him holding on even one more year is suicide.

What more does he need to see…..

Only thing I can think of is the Jets are just as big of a disaster and as much as it shouldn't matter Mara does care about back pages and fan reaction and all the coaching turnover there he might try to sell "stability".

But I'm more out on Daboll than Schoen at this point even though they probably should be a package deal.

Schoen draft class might save him. Nabers if he can cut down on the drops will be a top WR in the league. Phillips and Nubin look like starters in the secondary as rookies. Theo Johnson has some potential at TE. And Tracy looks like a flat out steal in the 5th round. I also appreciate that he made the right call not paying Barkley and as already found a super productive RB for dirt cheap.

And I also don't know the "internal" evaluations. LIke if they really thought Jayden Daniels was a star and the QB they wanted to trade up for the most then that would make me at least feel like the QB evaluation process is good. And that is obviously important going into the coming offseason where drafting a QB is a must.

I really hate when scrubs mess up the tank. Every time I see Daniels. I think about Devito stealing games. I usally am not Jealous but damn Im Jealous of Washington. we was litterally in position for him untill he came in.

I personally think it was more Andrew Thomas coming back and stabilizing the oline which was basically on a historic trend of being ****. For example I don't think Devito changes much at all this year if he comes in for Jones. And Andrew Thomas is out for season so he's not coming back to stabilize anything.

But Daniels looks like the real deal...health is the only thing that can hurt him. He has to protect himself. RG3 has a great start to his career and because of his lack of size put himself into too many risky situations and it hurt him. Daniels is already getting banged up. He needs to stay healthy and if he does he will be one of the best QB's.

On the other hand Anthony Richardson looks like a mess...not sure what happened to him. I was very high on him but he was a lot more raw as a passer than Jayden and its kind of showing.