OT: Trump shot at Rally.

[Neutral 123]

The step he is missing in his breakdown of gentrification is that its not that white people move in, it's that faceless corporations come in, nullify the rent control, renovate, and triple the rent so that only the yuppies can afford to move in, those people tend to skew white, so the people who were scraping to get by are now unhoused without a safe alternative to go to.

It's not like White Goodman buys a condo, does the whole fixer-upper thing and black people wilt like vampires seeing the light...

How is that me missing anything? You think someone is going to invest millions to improve a place if they can't raise the rent? This is EXACTLY what I said. And it's not 'yuppies' who can afford it, but people who have developed the skills to earn high pay. Production is wealth, and Dems, with the help of the NAACP know that they'll have the blacks at their feet begging for handouts as long as public schools and the apathy towards education remains where it is.

Lots to unpack here, but I will keep it brief.
a) this is circumventing rent laws, IMO there needs to be better action in place to protect renters particularly those on fixed income such as disability or retirement

b) yuppies simply mans young upper class. You make assumptions of how they got there. Could be their uncle is paying their way, it could be they have a good job, it could be generational wealth. It's not always going to be just the scrappy smart upstarts.

Judging by the totality of your post, I am assuming that you are pretty much just baiting here, so I don't think I need to respond to that last bit.

A) rent controls result in higher rent prices and often do it at the expense of the poor. In NYC wealthy people often end up in rent controlled buildings. People hang onto apartments for generations. Their discount is effectively subsidised by everyone else. A disgusting and unfair policy.

B) I have to address this generational wealth nonsense. What wealthy people pass on is the work ethic and skills to be successful. Any savings passed on to lazy, unskilled and irresponsible children will be eaten up very quickly. The ability to create your own wealth is what is truly generational.

[Jalen Bluntson]

People agree with how he thinks. Maybe not everything, but on principle, much of it. And of course him saying he was going to do something about illegals would garner the support of those who simply don't like people from different groups.

Well, if people agree with white supremacy we’re in a bad place.

If we disagree on open borders we are in a worse place. This shaming tactic is not going to get reasonable people to support a dangerous policy. Open borders is far more dangerous than whatever amounts to white supremacy.

So you supported Bidens recent immigration bill for better border security?

[Neutral 123]

What kind of Christian calls human beings “illegals”?

One that values facts. They have no legal right to be in the country. They are in the country illegally. They are called illegals for short.

So you value policy over basic human decency? This world is a material bull world and that’s how you feel? Not very Christian of you.

God > Country.

Not to mention you can just say undocumented immigrant but you are not a decent person.

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

[Worm Guts]

People agree with how he thinks. Maybe not everything, but on principle, much of it. And of course him saying he was going to do something about illegals would garner the support of those who simply don't like people from different groups.

Well, if people agree with white supremacy we’re in a bad place.

If we disagree on open borders we are in a worse place. This shaming tactic is not going to get reasonable people to support a dangerous policy. Open borders is far more dangerous than whatever amounts to white supremacy.

I think it’s kind of weird that illegal immigration is such an important issue to some people. Sure, let’s shore up the border, but it wouldn’t be in my top 10 concerns.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm going to support someone who is going to put an end to illegal immigration. It's the difference between feelings versus outcomes. Bad words are bad, bad actions are far worse.

Question for you.

I think that everyone who wants to live here should be afforded a reasonable, legal way to do so.

If someone comes here for asylum, there should be a humane criteria for that.

If someone comes here illegally, like say, on a flight from Europe and overstays their visa, they need to work to get their status in order. I have friends who had to do this. It sucks and is expensive, maybe we can work on that too.

But why are you so upset at undocumented immigrants? Are they impacting your quality of life bro?

I just don't agree with this. This is where America First comes from. I do not agree that people with criminal backgrounds, who are known socialists, who will bring a way of life antithetical to American values have a right to become American. Choosing people with similar values, that have skills, and only what's needed is putting America first. Saying everyone else has a right to America is putting America last. Why would I be in favor of that?

Do you seriously think that all of the people who are here undocumented have criminal backgrounds and are what you called "socialists"?

What evidence do you have for that? That's absurd.

Also, do you know where the America First ideal comes from?

It's literally American Neo Nazi propaganda



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

The America First Committee (AFC) was an American isolationist pressure group against the United States' entry into World War II.[1][2] Launched in September 1940, it surpassed 800,000 members in 450 chapters at its peak.[3] The AFC principally supported isolationism for its own sake, and its varied coalition included Republicans, Democrats, farmers, industrialists, communists, anti-communists, students, and journalists – however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.[4][5][6][7] The AFC was dissolved on December 11, 1941, four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States into the war.

Please tell us more about your views.

[Neutral 123]

Well, if people agree with white supremacy we’re in a bad place.

If we disagree on open borders we are in a worse place. This shaming tactic is not going to get reasonable people to support a dangerous policy. Open borders is far more dangerous than whatever amounts to white supremacy.

So you supported Bidens recent immigration bill for better border security?

I'm not familiar with it. But I have a hard time believing that someone who thinks open borders is a good idea is about to get tough on the border unless he thinks it can get him a few more votes over the next few months.

[Fury]

One that values facts. They have no legal right to be in the country. They are in the country illegally. They are called illegals for short.

So you value policy over basic human decency? This world is a material bull world and that’s how you feel? Not very Christian of you.

God > Country.

Not to mention you can just say undocumented immigrant but you are not a decent person.

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

How the **** do you turn people who are desperate away at the border? People in need. Helping them is good. Turning them away is not good. You are not a Christian. You are a fraud.

[Neutral 123]

Question for you.

I think that everyone who wants to live here should be afforded a reasonable, legal way to do so.

If someone comes here for asylum, there should be a humane criteria for that.

If someone comes here illegally, like say, on a flight from Europe and overstays their visa, they need to work to get their status in order. I have friends who had to do this. It sucks and is expensive, maybe we can work on that too.

But why are you so upset at undocumented immigrants? Are they impacting your quality of life bro?

I just don't agree with this. This is where America First comes from. I do not agree that people with criminal backgrounds, who are known socialists, who will bring a way of life antithetical to American values have a right to become American. Choosing people with similar values, that have skills, and only what's needed is putting America first. Saying everyone else has a right to America is putting America last. Why would I be in favor of that?

Do you seriously think that all of the people who are here undocumented have criminal backgrounds and are what you called "socialists"?

What evidence do you have for that? That's absurd.

Also, do you know where the America First ideal comes from?

It's literally American Neo Nazi propaganda



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

The America First Committee (AFC) was an American isolationist pressure group against the United States' entry into World War II.[1][2] Launched in September 1940, it surpassed 800,000 members in 450 chapters at its peak.[3] The AFC principally supported isolationism for its own sake, and its varied coalition included Republicans, Democrats, farmers, industrialists, communists, anti-communists, students, and journalists – however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.[4][5][6][7] The AFC was dissolved on December 11, 1941, four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States into the war.

Please tell us more about your views.

Don't straw man my position. I believe people should be vetted. You claim everyone has a right. So it is you who think Nazis have a right to come to America. I don't want national socialists in America. There are more than enough socialists here already.

[Worm Guts]

One that values facts. They have no legal right to be in the country. They are in the country illegally. They are called illegals for short.

So you value policy over basic human decency? This world is a material bull world and that’s how you feel? Not very Christian of you.

God > Country.

Not to mention you can just say undocumented immigrant but you are not a decent person.

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

Locking people out of the country doesn’t really sound like a focus on good.

[nykballa2k4]

How is that me missing anything? You think someone is going to invest millions to improve a place if they can't raise the rent? This is EXACTLY what I said. And it's not 'yuppies' who can afford it, but people who have developed the skills to earn high pay. Production is wealth, and Dems, with the help of the NAACP know that they'll have the blacks at their feet begging for handouts as long as public schools and the apathy towards education remains where it is.

Lots to unpack here, but I will keep it brief.
a) this is circumventing rent laws, IMO there needs to be better action in place to protect renters particularly those on fixed income such as disability or retirement

b) yuppies simply mans young upper class. You make assumptions of how they got there. Could be their uncle is paying their way, it could be they have a good job, it could be generational wealth. It's not always going to be just the scrappy smart upstarts.

Judging by the totality of your post, I am assuming that you are pretty much just baiting here, so I don't think I need to respond to that last bit.

A) rent controls result in higher rent prices and often do it at the expense of the poor. In NYC wealthy people often end up in rent controlled buildings. People hang onto apartments for generations. Their discount is effectively subsidised by everyone else. A disgusting and unfair policy.

B) I have to address this generational wealth nonsense. What wealthy people pass on is the work ethic and skills to be successful. Any savings passed on to lazy, unskilled and irresponsible children will be eaten up very quickly. The ability to create your own wealth is what is truly generational.

These things can go hand in hand.
Renters are not the problem here, it's landowners. People who OWN the land, the building etc are sitting on appreciating assets. People who are renting are just that - renting. Spending money for borrowed time.
Rent control allows for landlords to collect rent and to beat inflation over time. It doesn't allow for them to maximize their earnings at the expense of a person just looking for stable housing.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Question for you.

I think that everyone who wants to live here should be afforded a reasonable, legal way to do so.

If someone comes here for asylum, there should be a humane criteria for that.

If someone comes here illegally, like say, on a flight from Europe and overstays their visa, they need to work to get their status in order. I have friends who had to do this. It sucks and is expensive, maybe we can work on that too.

But why are you so upset at undocumented immigrants? Are they impacting your quality of life bro?

I just don't agree with this. This is where America First comes from. I do not agree that people with criminal backgrounds, who are known socialists, who will bring a way of life antithetical to American values have a right to become American. Choosing people with similar values, that have skills, and only what's needed is putting America first. Saying everyone else has a right to America is putting America last. Why would I be in favor of that?

Do you seriously think that all of the people who are here undocumented have criminal backgrounds and are what you called "socialists"?

What evidence do you have for that? That's absurd.

Also, do you know where the America First ideal comes from?

It's literally American Neo Nazi propaganda



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

The America First Committee (AFC) was an American isolationist pressure group against the United States' entry into World War II.[1][2] Launched in September 1940, it surpassed 800,000 members in 450 chapters at its peak.[3] The AFC principally supported isolationism for its own sake, and its varied coalition included Republicans, Democrats, farmers, industrialists, communists, anti-communists, students, and journalists – however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.[4][5][6][7] The AFC was dissolved on December 11, 1941, four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor brought the United States into the war.

Please tell us more about your views.

He doesn't see his own racist, holier than thou rhetoric that spews in every post he makes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Maybe I am way off but I still think Biden's old ass is the best option and its worse if they switch out.

Yep. The time to switch was two years ago but no one stepped up.

I don't think Newsome can win over Midwest voters. I like Whitmer a lot.

Newsome policy-wise idk... I mean a lot of business left Cali under his watch. Homeless issues and crime have been big topics. He looks the part for sure, and he can tell Trump what his daughter in laws *meow* tastes like, but other than that I don't think he brings much.

Whitmer seems like a strong candidate and she is from a state that Dems need. just don't know if she actually would move the needle.

Homelessness and crime were issues all over the country due to the pandemic. Crime has dipped back down to pre-pandemic levels. And the murder rate has plunged.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/10/us/us-violent-crime-rates-statistics

The data shows steep drops in every category of violent crime in every region in the first three months of 2024 compared to a year earlier, continuing a downward trend since a coronavirus pandemic surge.

Also, the WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/violent-crime-rate-falls-sharply-after-pandemic-surge-c8059d4b

[Neutral 123]

So you value policy over basic human decency? This world is a material bull world and that’s how you feel? Not very Christian of you.

God > Country.

Not to mention you can just say undocumented immigrant but you are not a decent person.

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

How the **** do you turn people who are desperate away at the border? People in need. Helping them is good. Turning them away is not good. You are not a Christian. You are a fraud.

They are in want. They want a better life. They can get that by copying America's free market model under Christian morality, instead of voting for godless socialists and fleeing when their country turns to crap.

America can't be a model to the world if America is flooded with People who are not American. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

There's nothing in the good book that suggests being a pushover and coward. No is one of the most important words a Christian can master as we'll always be tempted by wicked things and wicked ideas.

[MrDollarBills]

Also this is a nation of immigrants and the descendants of people who were either taken here against their will or colonizers. none of us belong here really aside from the Indigenous Americans. So who gets to really dictate who should be allowed to come here? Unless you're like a legit criminal that has done some horrible sh*t, I don't see a reason why anyone should be barred entry through legal means at this point. America isn't some homogenized country.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

How the **** do you turn people who are desperate away at the border? People in need. Helping them is good. Turning them away is not good. You are not a Christian. You are a fraud.

They are in want. They want a better life. They can get that by copying America's free market model under Christian morality, instead of voting for godless socialists and fleeing when their country turns to crap.

America can't be a model to the world if America is flooded with People who are not American. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

There's nothing in the good book that suggests being a pushover and coward. No is one of the most important words a Christian can master as we'll always be tempted by wicked things and wicked ideas.

HOLY SHYT!!

[Neutral 123]

So you value policy over basic human decency? This world is a material bull world and that’s how you feel? Not very Christian of you.

God > Country.

Not to mention you can just say undocumented immigrant but you are not a decent person.

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

Locking people out of the country doesn’t really sound like a focus on good.

Locking out people you don't know and haven't vetted is good. Are you a father? You would let anyone walk in and out of your home without knowing who they are? I mean why is this such a hard thing to accept?

Part of the problem with the left is an idealistic wishing of reality instead of accepting things as they are. I'd be all for open borders and no need for vetting if everyone was good. That's just not reality. Again, I don't see how that amounts to being a Nazi or 'hate'.

[Fury]

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

How the **** do you turn people who are desperate away at the border? People in need. Helping them is good. Turning them away is not good. You are not a Christian. You are a fraud.

They are in want. They want a better life. They can get that by copying America's free market model under Christian morality, instead of voting for godless socialists and fleeing when their country turns to crap.

America can't be a model to the world if America is flooded with People who are not American. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

There's nothing in the good book that suggests being a pushover and coward. No is one of the most important words a Christian can master as we'll always be tempted by wicked things and wicked ideas.

How is helping people cowardly?

Leviticus 19:33-34
“The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

[MrDollarBills]

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

How the **** do you turn people who are desperate away at the border? People in need. Helping them is good. Turning them away is not good. You are not a Christian. You are a fraud.

They are in want. They want a better life. They can get that by copying America's free market model under Christian morality, instead of voting for godless socialists and fleeing when their country turns to crap.

America can't be a model to the world if America is flooded with People who are not American. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

There's nothing in the good book that suggests being a pushover and coward. No is one of the most important words a Christian can master as we'll always be tempted by wicked things and wicked ideas.

Really now?

You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:19

The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:34

The Lord watches over the strangers; he upholds the orphan and the widow, but the way of the wicked he brings to ruin.
Psalm146:9

Lmao

[HarthorneWingo]

I value substance over flash. It was the Pharisees obsessed with the letter of the law and not the spirit. Obsessed with the appearance of being good instead of actually doing good. Are you a Christian?

Locking people out of the country doesn’t really sound like a focus on good.

Locking out people you don't know and haven't vetted is good. Are you a father? You would let anyone walk in and out of your home without knowing who they are? I mean why is this such a hard thing to accept?

Part of the problem with the left is an idealistic wishing of reality instead of accepting things as they are. I'd be all for open borders and no need for vetting if everyone was good. That's just not reality. Again, I don't see how that amounts to being a Nazi or 'hate'.

Wrong.

The Democrats have tried ad nauseum to pass responsible and reasonable immigration legislation but Donny Shytshispamts put out to the word to Republicans not to engage in such negotiations. Why? Because Trump wants chaos at the border so that he can use that chaos politically. So, please spare me.

[wompwomp]

Trump was 27 and President of the organization. He wasn't some intern.

Morse says she reported her experience to the Human Rights Commission, and then returned to the apartment building. After she was offered a lease, the black man who had tried to rent the apartment entered the office with a city human rights commissioner, and the three of them confronted the building superintendent.

"He said, 'Well, I'm only doing what my boss told me to do — I am not allowed to rent to black tenants,' " Morse says.

The commissioner asked the building superintendent to take him to his boss. That turned out to be Trump Management.

This is the first BALLBOY I haven't told to STFU and GTFO!! WOMP WOOOOMP!

2016 joined so this is someones burner. Still they can STFU and GTFO!!

Nah I am not a burner account. I just never had a desire to post and tend to lurk back in the day and now I dont care about sports as much being older and also realizing the joy is quite short lived compared to the disappointment.