Build a Franchise (Season 9) Discussion Thread- Announcement on pg. 56

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[Capn'O]

Toumani Camara (NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team last year) - 64 DEF rating
Damian Lillard (notoriously bad defender for 13 seasons straight) - 74 DEF rating
Taylor Hendricks (856 minutes in year 1, 75 minutes in year 2, decent but not generational defender) - 112 DEF rating

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It is what it is. But is there any way to anticipate this from year to year, or is it just a crapshoot?

(The sim learning curve is real!)

The law of averages usually balances the weird anomalies for teams The teams that should be good defensive teams are. But the components are weird AF.

[KnicksGadfly]

Toumani Camara (NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team last year) - 64 DEF rating
Damian Lillard (notoriously bad defender for 13 seasons straight) - 74 DEF rating
Taylor Hendricks (856 minutes in year 1, 75 minutes in year 2, good but not generational defender) - 112 DEF rating

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is what it is. But is there any way to anticipate this from year to year, or is it just a crapshoot?

(The sim learning curve is real!)

Wait til you see the All Defense teams at the end of the year

[mpharris36]

Toumani Camara (NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team last year) - 64 DEF rating
Damian Lillard (notoriously bad defender for 13 seasons straight) - 74 DEF rating
Taylor Hendricks (856 minutes in year 1, 75 minutes in year 2, decent but not generational defender) - 112 DEF rating

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is what it is. But is there any way to anticipate this from year to year, or is it just a crapshoot?

(The sim learning curve is real!)

The law of averages usually balances the weird anomalies for teams The teams that should be good defensive teams are. But the components are weird AF.

There will always be anomalies with in statistics. You would need manual intervention to eliminate certain outliers (which should be done in any bell curve analytics) which I don't think they do from what I've seen. But like you said generally the good defensive players/teams get respect.

DEF evaluation even in real life is tough to use one statistic to properly evaluate it. Look if you used defensive rating Wemby would be ranked behind 200 players...that isn't realistic. If you used DEF rating Isiah Joe would be a top 10 defender based on last year. So either you build ratings objectively or subjectively...but you will have outliers both ways.

I think the Hendricks outlier simply has to be due to his limited 3 game sample size. Also I doubt they build anyone above 100...this could just be a product that he got put on the right team with the right players and sky rocketed his ranking.

For example you look at the best defenders Caruso/AD/Chet/Kessler/JJJ/Jdub/Wemby/the thompson twins/draymond/Daniels all got big time defensive ratings. I would say that checks out. But the focus seems on the few outliers.

[Busta Bucket]

I understand there will be always be anomalies. But I'd like to understand to what extent the anomalies can be predicted. Do we know what the inputs are? And are the same guys wildly over/underrated year after year, or is it always a fun surprise?

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Reed is going to be awesome. I think we both did well in that deal.

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[Capn'O]

I understand there will be always be anomalies. But I'd like to understand to what extent the anomalies can be predicted. Do we know what the inputs are? And are the same guys wildly over/underrated year after year, or is it always a fun surprise?

It's usually a fun surprise. One season I had Elfrid Payton putting up near all star numbers. Another year Moses Brown did. Early in our play, Kenneth Faried had an 80% FG or something. There are some indicators though.

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Reed is going to be awesome. I think we both did well in that deal.

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Avdija was such a steal. It's crazy how many people questioned the deal on Portland's side because of timelines or whatever. I always figure if you can get a good player, get a good player. People said the same when the Knicks signed Brunson.

[bishnykfan]

Ratings

OVR

1. Nikola Jokic- SA 100
2. Victor Wembanyama- Tor 97
2. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander- Cha 97
2. Giannis Antetokounmpo- GS 97
5. Anthony Davis- Det 96
5. Luka Doncic- Det 96
7. Kevin Durant- Bro 94
7. LeBron James- Chi 94
7. Cade Cunningham- Hou 94
7. Domantas Sabonis- Cha 94
7. Karl-Anthony Towns- Mia 94


SCR

1. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander- Cha 100
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo- GS 100
3. Cam Thomas- Utah 99
3. Nikola Jokic- SA 99
5. Luka Doncic- Det 95
6. Victor Wembanyama- Tor 94
6. Anthony Edwards- Cha 94
8. Kevin Durant- Bro 92
8. Jayson Tatum- Cle 92
10. Tyrese Maxey- Phi 91


DEF

1. Taylor Hendricks- Was 112
2. Walker Kessler- SA 101
3. Jaren Jackson Jr.- Hou 100
3. Jalen Johnson- Min 100
3. Alex Caruso- SA 100
6. Kristaps Porzingis- NO 99
7. Jalen Williams- Mem 97
8. Anthony Davis- Det 96
8. Amen Thompson- Tor 96
10. Draymond Green- Tor 95


FGI

1. Kevin Durant- Bro 100
1. Keon Ellis- SA 100
1. Obi Toppin- Atl 100
1. Jay Huff- NO 100
1. Chris Paul- SA 100
1. Noa Essengue- OKC 100
1. Brandon Clarke- Det 100
1. Jarrett Allen- Sac 100


FGJ

1. Chaz Lanier- Was 91
2. Kevin Durant- Bro 88
3. Devin Booker- Mia 85
4. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander- Cha 83
4. Khris Middleton- Min 83
4. Tre Johnson- OKC 83


FG3

1. Isaiah Joe- Cle 91
2. Luke Kennard- Chi 90
2. Kon Knueppel- Pho 90
4. Kevin Durant- Bro 89
4. Zach LaVine- Den 89
4. Malik Beasley- LaL 89
4. AJ Green- Chi 89


PAS

1. Trae Young- GS 100
2. Nikola Jokic- SA 94
3. Tyrese Haliburton- NY 88
4. Cade Cunningham- Hou 86
5. James Harden- Por 85


HDL

1. Miles McBride- Dal 105
2. Tyrese Haliburton- NY 100
2. Tre Jones- Bos 100
4. Tyus Jones- Orl 99
5. Chris Paul- SA 97


ORB

1. Walker Kessler- SA 103
2. Mitchell Robinson- Cha 96
3. Domantas Sabonis- Cha 89
3. Ivica Zubac- Den 89
5. Jalen Duren- Phi 87
5. Rudy Gobert- Tor 87


DRB

1. Domantas Sabonis- Cha 94
2. Nikola Jokic- SA 93
3. Karl-Anthony Towns- Mia 92
4. Giannis Antetokounmpo- GS 91
5. Jalen Johnson- Min 90


BLK

1. Victor Wembanyama- Tor 89
2. Walker Kessler- SA 80
3. Myles Turner- NY 76
4. Anthony Davis- Det 74
5. Chet Holmgren- Det 73


STL

1. Dyson Daniels- Atl 93
2. Dejounte Murray- Utah 86
3. Herb Jones- NO 83
4. Cason Wallace- Tor 81
5. Jalen Johnson- Min 80
5. Nikola Jokic- SA 80
5. Paul George- Por 80
5. Luka Doncic- Det 80
5. Tyrese Maxey- Phi 80


DFL

1. Jimmy Butler- Bos 88
1. Mason Plumlee- Bro 88
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo- GS 84
4. Zion Williamson- NO 80
4. Rudy Gobert- Tor 80
4. Isaiah Jackson- OKC 80


DI

1. Jimmy Butler- Bos 100
1. Harrison Barnes- Mia 100
1. Tyler Herro- Cha 100
1. Sion James- Pho 100
1. Tyus Jones- Orl 100


IQ

1. Kenrich Williams- LaC 92
2. Johnny Furphy- Was 90
3. Craig Porter Jr.- LaC 89
3. Patrick Williams- Phi 89
3. Norman Powell- GS 89
3. Caris LeVert- Min 89
3. Ivica Zubac- Den 89
3. RJ Barrett- Phi 89
3. Jonathan Isaac- Was 89
3. Isaiah Jackson- OKC 89


CL

1. Jalen Brunson- LaC 100
2. Tyrese Maxey- Phi 95
3. Nikola Jokic- SA 83
4. Trae Young- GS 76
5. Anfernee Simons- Cle 75

Spoiler:

[DerrickNoah]

No love for Mobley… After some poor ratings in the Valley, this is likely the only thing I will have to cheer for this season

[bringbackhoffa]

So glad the Hornets landed Mitch in free agency over Claxton, should be a problem on the boards alongside Sabonis

[DerrickNoah]

IQ

1. Kenrich Williams- LaC 92
2. Johnny Furphy- Was 90
3. Craig Porter Jr.- LaC 89
3. Patrick Williams- Pho 89
3. Norman Powell- GS 89
3. Caris LeVert- Min 89
3. Ivica Zubac- Den 89
3. RJ Barrett- Phi 89
3. Jonathan Isaac- Was 89
3. Isaiah Jackson- OKC 89

Pat Will is not on the Suns…. and as a Bulls fan he definitely shouldn’t have an overly high IQ

[Capn'O]

How do they figure Craig Porter JR is one of the smartest players in the league? He barely played up until this season.

Maybe more to the point... how do they figure RJ is


I love the idea of Deuce having the best handle in the game.

[mpharris36]

How do they figure Craig Porter JR is one of the smartest players in the league? He barely played up until this season.

Maybe more to the point... how do they figure RJ is


I love the idea of Deuce having the best handle in the game.

Good thing IQ doesn't really matter at all from what I have seen. I think Jokic had one of the lowest IQs last year. It was like the lowest on my team. Didn't seem to impact him at all.

[Capn'O]

How do they figure Craig Porter JR is one of the smartest players in the league? He barely played up until this season.

Maybe more to the point... how do they figure RJ is


I love the idea of Deuce having the best handle in the game.

Good thing IQ doesn't really matter at all from what I have seen. I think Jokic had one of the lowest IQs last year. It was like the lowest on my team. Didn't seem to impact him at all.

Ha. Not that I noticed.

**** dumbass Jokic.