Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[HEZI]

What if KD is coming but not Kyrie and we end up trading for AD to pair with KD

How much do we still have to give up then and also what money would\could we have left over for veteran help?

[jermsknicks]

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Yeah good luck seeing this again from a Knick perimeter player.

That is the thing, is he even built to play defense for an 82 game season and contribute on the offensive end? He really needs to make the defense pay anyway he can. I would take a Bruce Bowen type of guy, but he has no offensive prowess right now. Get on the court Frank so you can work on your game.

[KnixinSix]

I would say that a big 3 of KD/KI/AD is better than Miami's 3.

Certainly better balanced.

Nope, and not even close. Prime LeBron is much better than prime Durant. He'll be top 3 all-time when he is done. Wade was much better than Kyrie because he boards and plays defense and was just tougher...a leader. Bosh was not as good as AD but he was very, very good. He was the perfect sidekick for the other 2. Miami by a lot.

In terms of raw talent, Miami is better. In terms of fit and spacing, KD, Kyrie and AD all have different kill zones and would allow each other to operate on the floor much better than Miami.

LeBron and Wade worked the same space and forced Bosh to the perimeter.

Boom. The Miami 3 in their prime are better individually than our potential 3. But team fit wise our 3 have the potential to complement each other better.

[thebuzzardman]

The inverse of that is why wait for those kids to maybe pan out in 3-4 years when you can form an elite trio and spend those same 3 years pursuing NBA titles?

I like the kids. I really do. But the name of the game is championships. Kyrie, KD, and AD put us significantly closer than DSJ, Knox, and Frank.

But the debate is what Kyrie, KD and AD do vs DSJr, Knox, and Frank.

It's what does Kyrie, KD, and AD and Trier? do vs Kyrie, KD, RJ, DSJr, Knox, Frank, Mitch, Trier, all the Knicks own picks moving forward, plus Mavs picks in 2021 and 2023, where some of the players and picks can be moved in along the way for better players.

I get AD the scenario where AD is potentially available right away. I'm just pointing out KD & Kyrie can come and it can be all the youth around them, or half the youth and half moved for player(s) X, not named AD. Even if it takes another season.

but you're getting anthony davis tho. it costs. he's not someone you can expect to get another way. that's a gift horse you probably shouldn't look in the mouth if it's coming to you without having to move mitch.

I'm not sure they can hold Mitch out of the deal. I really don't know. Like I've said, if they can do the deal with retaining enough pieces to put a few young role players around the 3, plus enough picks to be able to continue to draft or use them in deals, then I'm ok. Little bit busy to articulate where the cut off is, and I get needing to part with the "one extra guy" if that's what gets it done, but sort of opposed to a deal that looks like:

RJ/DSJr/Frank/Knox/Mitch/Mav's 2021/Mavs 2023/Knicks 202? - or is it that "It's AD tho"?

[KnixinSix]

my thing is not ad vs keeping all the youth. it's should we spend all the youth on just ad or can we spend some of it someone else and keep some and actually be better. i'm not sure the answer to that is cut and dry.

When a 30 yo KD signs our vision becomes all about gearing up for a championship ASAP. That means our vision becomes short term as priority with long term as a bonus. The Pels losing AD and guys not wanting to stay there changes their strategy to acquiring long term team controlled pieces. Zion is a great start and RJ Barrett would probably be the next great get the fits that criteria. Jrue is team controlled for another few years but quite expensive. He's the wild card in the equation. I could see them keeping him or moving him for younger pieces that would be team controlled for a long time too.

When you combine those 2 visions

You get a trade like this:

RJ Barrett
Knox
Frank
DSJ
Dallas Unprotected first
(Mitch?)
(Another pick?)

For

AD
2019 2nd rd pick

AD can somewhat control his destination by saying he will not resign with X Y or Z team. The only 2 teams he has talked positively about public thus far are Knicks and Lakers.

I think our chances are pretty good.

[thebuzzardman]

But the debate is what Kyrie, KD and AD do vs DSJr, Knox, and Frank.

It's what does Kyrie, KD, and AD and Trier? do vs Kyrie, KD, RJ, DSJr, Knox, Frank, Mitch, Trier, all the Knicks own picks moving forward, plus Mavs picks in 2021 and 2023, where some of the players and picks can be moved in along the way for better players.

I get AD the scenario where AD is potentially available right away. I'm just pointing out KD & Kyrie can come and it can be all the youth around them, or half the youth and half moved for player(s) X, not named AD. Even if it takes another season.

but you're getting anthony davis tho. it costs. he's not someone you can expect to get another way. that's a gift horse you probably shouldn't look in the mouth if it's coming to you without having to move mitch.

if you somehow retain mitch in an AD trade then its at the expense of at least one significant pick

the pelicans will ask for Mitch as he is probably our top asset after the #3 pick
if we hold him back it'll cost us significantly
not to suggest it wouldn't be worth it
i doubt we replace him with even dallas' unprotected pick.

but might AD make Robinson redundant to some extent?
Robinson has a chance to be the top shot blocker in the nba. AD has been and probably will be again next year

Sort of a tough call, if putting Mitch in protects some other assets. I think he's worth playing, even if him and AD might get in each other's way. At least on offense, I think AD shoots well enough from outside and is a good enough interior passer. But on D? Having both of those guys guarding modern stretch 4's, who are basically old school SF's? Not so sure about that. Both guys will block jumpers etc, but it's one thing on a switch, but another where it's their guy the whole possession, most of the game.

[awy]

ad can still improve with playmaking part of his game. it’s what he needs to be at the giannis level of one man team.

[awy]

btw id try everything to keep mitch. look at the rim protection from giannis and brook. with two mobile swatters in mitch and ad it is revolutionary

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I read on frenchkinckspod twitter than RJ is a fluent French speaker. Makes you think.

[F N 11]

I read on frenchkinckspod twitter than RJ is a fluent French speaker. Makes you think.

Makes you think what? That’s regular in Canada.

[3toheadmelo]

Have been spending the last couple of days trying to acclimatize myself to RJ. LOL it is easier to do so than when we drafted Frank over DSJ wherein I went into full delusion mode and convinced myself that Frank gives me Kawhi vibes.

RJ is a great player and I saw how he dominated in FIBA in giving Canada that gold medal in the under-19 world tournament. That guy has that drive and a winner’s mentality.

The challenge with me is that I still approach things as if we are still in rebuild mode. Hard to predict things with uncertainties surrounding KD and Kyrie and I still think they end up elsewhere (I think Mills already knows what’s up).

So for me DSJ is still in the roster and I am not optimistic of his fit with RJ. Both guys are more effective with the ball in their hands given their scoring and playmaking skills and would benefit from having as much shooters around them as possible.

Aside from potentially jersey number complications LOL I think their overlapping strengths and lack of complementary skills for each other could be a problem in terms of maximizing the lineup on the floor.

Needless to say I like DSJ but if RJ is our guy moving forward we may have to find a different PG to pair up with him. If we are sticking with DSJ I won’t mind trading down this draft in exchange for a better position to get the top prospects in the 2020 draft class.

Full delusion mode Yeah it is much easier to talk yourself into RJ for sure. At least with RJ he is a top prospect unlike Frank who was never on that level.

I think I would still stick with DSJ if we get RJ and see how it goes for a year or two but I do see why you are not optimistic about the fit.

But if there’s a possible way to trade our pick and get Wiseman or Edwards next year... see ya RJ

James Wiseman is a stud. The team that lands him next year is so fortunate.

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Dude is really smart. He caught me off guard when he started speaking Chinese

You can tell he is somebody that won’t let you down with his work ethic and is gonna keep improving every year. Sky’s the limit for him.

[GONYK]

I read on frenchkinckspod twitter than RJ is a fluent French speaker. Makes you think.

Think what?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I read on frenchkinckspod twitter than RJ is a fluent French speaker. Makes you think.

Makes you think what? That’s regular in Canada.

I don't think it's that common in Toronto, but I guess reasonably so. He spent most of the time between 3 and 8 in France where his father was a pro, then carried on at French language schools in Toronto until 9th grade.

[Manhattan Project]

I've been out of the loop, has Steve Nash spoke about Barrett recently? Can I be greedy and ask for him to be a "Special Advisor" to Barrett and the team?

[mpharris36]

I've been out of the loop, has Steve Nash spoke about Barrett recently? Can I be greedy and ask for him to be a "Special Advisor" to Barrett and the team?

Steve Nash is Barretts godfather

[GONYK]

I've been out of the loop, has Steve Nash spoke about Barrett recently? Can I be greedy and ask for him to be a "Special Advisor" to Barrett and the team?

Steve Nash is Barretts godfather

...and works for the Warriors

[GONYK]

What if KD is coming but not Kyrie and we end up trading for AD to pair with KD

How much do we still have to give up then and also what money would\could we have left over for veteran help?

In theory, we would have a MAX slot left to build the team

[thebuzzardman]

I think the most entertaining thing would be if the whole FA thing AND the rebuild with youth went horribly wrong.

[NoLayupRule]

but you're getting anthony davis tho. it costs. he's not someone you can expect to get another way. that's a gift horse you probably shouldn't look in the mouth if it's coming to you without having to move mitch.

if you somehow retain mitch in an AD trade then its at the expense of at least one significant pick

the pelicans will ask for Mitch as he is probably our top asset after the #3 pick
if we hold him back it'll cost us significantly
not to suggest it wouldn't be worth it
i doubt we replace him with even dallas' unprotected pick.

but might AD make Robinson redundant to some extent?
Robinson has a chance to be the top shot blocker in the nba. AD has been and probably will be again next year

If we were to map out the absolute maximum improvement trajectory for Mitch, it would be AD.

I would love to keep Mitch, but if trading him enables us more flexibility and assets to build the team, I would strongly consider moving him

to be fair Mitch has as never shown ADs offensive promise, only defensive

And we’re he to develop it then we would be seeing a very different timeline

It’s reminiscent of when the lakers fleeced the griz for pau gasol. They threw in Marc. Then years later Marc ended up being just as good as pau, give or take. But it wouldn’t have mattered for the lakers. They needed pau when they got him so they could win titles. Not Marc years later to usher Kobe into the sunset.
We would need ad to win titles with kd not Mitch to develop so we could have a major piece in 5 years

Now ideally we keep Mitch but realistically New Orleans would want him to pair with Zion in one of the best young front courts you can imagine

[Manhattan Project]

I've been out of the loop, has Steve Nash spoke about Barrett recently? Can I be greedy and ask for him to be a "Special Advisor" to Barrett and the team?

Steve Nash is Barretts godfather

...and works for the Warriors

Which is the only reason I'd bring up Nash
Yeah I'm not sure how iron clad these advisors, player development contracts are but damn I want Nash to impart some of his wisdom on out guys.