OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[Pointgod]

Looks like Engel’s going down.

[Pointgod]

They really screwed over Booker. I honestly don't know how this doesn't leave a sour taste for black voters.

If by they you mean Republicans then you’re right. This is just a test drive for the general. This is why you vote blue straight down the ticket.

[HarthorneWingo]

Looks like Engel’s going down.

And AOC won in the 14th.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[robillionaire]

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I like that dude, nyc did ok

[Stannis]

They really screwed over Booker. I honestly don't know how this doesn't leave a sour taste for black voters.

If by they you mean Republicans then you’re right. This is just a test drive for the general. This is why you vote blue straight down the ticket.

How so? Kentucky has a democratic governor. And Louisville has a democratic mayor.

[Phish Tank]

They really screwed over Booker. I honestly don't know how this doesn't leave a sour taste for black voters.

If by they you mean Republicans then you’re right. This is just a test drive for the general. This is why you vote blue straight down the ticket.

How so? Kentucky has a democratic governor. And Louisville has a democratic mayor.

The rest of the state leadership is republican including the Secretary of State. With a republican legislature, the governor has to follow most of what the republicans want


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[j4remi]

NYC is gonna be the center for the progressive left movement, both at the state and federal level we see nice dubs accumulating these past few cycles and I think that'll spread but it will take more time to build. The progressive voting bloc is gonna be significant enough to leverage good amendments onto bills in the near future. Engel had the endorsements of everyone in the establishment; Schumer to Clinton to Clyburn and the CBC too...still lost to Bowman. NYC's move left is real.

KY had all the warning signs of a mess, we'd seen it before. There was still a damned mess and I really think the Dems would do better to call as much attention as possible to these situations. This will only be worse in November and if we don't spread word and make sure everyone knows then we'll keep getting these "give us the benefit of a doubt, it'll be fine..." responses that end with people going home having not voted. The first bill the House put up was all about voting rights, you'd think they'd center that issue every chance they got.

Anyway, it's fun to have been there to watch some of these campaigns bubble up from their beginnings. A lot of these fights would end up just short or being more about drawing attention to some causes but not winning. Post-2016 is an era where the fights are focused on winning and building real influence within the party mechanisms that have always pushed progressives out.

[Stannis]

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The rest of the state leadership is republican including the Secretary of State. With a republican legislature, the governor has to follow most of what the republicans want

Like Remi said, the Dems still could have done a better job to bringing this to attention. There's still time. But it sounds like they were 100% ok with the outcome.

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[Stannis]

NYC is gonna be the center for the progressive left movement, both at the state and federal level we see nice dubs accumulating these past few cycles and I think that'll spread but it will take more time to build. The progressive voting bloc is gonna be significant enough to leverage good amendments onto bills in the near future. Engel had the endorsements of everyone in the establishment; Schumer to Clinton to Clyburn and the CBC too...still lost to Bowman. NYC's move left is real.

AOC vs Schumer is gonna be real in 2022. I hope she can pull it off.

[Stannis]

And by a landslide. A huge statement win considering that AOC's challenger was getting big Wallstreet funding, and the media was pushing that AOC was in danger of losing her seat

[Phish Tank]

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The rest of the state leadership is republican including the Secretary of State. With a republican legislature, the governor has to follow most of what the republicans want

Like Remi said, the Dems still could have done a better job to bringing this to attention. There's still time. But it sounds like they were 100% ok with the outcome.

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I mean how much more could non-state Dems do besides tweet about it all day and all night long?

Kentucky dems can't do anything because they know that the SOS (republican) can override anything that Beshear wants and that the Assembly has basically veto-proof majorities so that anything Beshear vetoes can be overturned.

[j4remi]

I mean how much more could non-state Dems do besides tweet about it all day and all night long?

Kentucky dems can't do anything because they know that the SOS (republican) can override anything that Beshear wants and that the Assembly has basically veto-proof majorities so that anything Beshear vetoes can be overturned.

The problem I have with this general white flag waving and malaise is that the same attitude pops up when we have really important elections; like governor races in Georgia and Florida last time around. So while the trajectory of those states changes and power becomes more entrenched; we get the same general “well it’s not our fault, we can’t do anything about it” approach.

You’ve seen me say it enough in this thread that I feel like it’s probably annoying but voter suppression in November is the biggest threat to Biden winning imo. And while they might not be able to do something major about it; calling attention to the repeated mishaps and making sure everyone is aware this is happening would be a nice way to raise some hell. At minimum it would help avoid the “you didn’t have much problem with it last time” form of what aboutism that we’d likely see should an Al Gore level robbery take place again.

[blanko]

Biden is up 12 pts in most polls.
The dems just need to keep him hidden until the election to win. Dont let him do interviews.

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[Stannis]

I mean how much more could non-state Dems do besides tweet about it all day and all night long?

Kentucky dems can't do anything because they know that the SOS (republican) can override anything that Beshear wants and that the Assembly has basically veto-proof majorities so that anything Beshear vetoes can be overturned.

The problem I have with this general white flag waving and malaise is that the same attitude pops up when we have really important elections; like governor races in Georgia and Florida last time around. So while the trajectory of those states changes and power becomes more entrenched; we get the same general “well it’s not our fault, we can’t do anything about it” approach.

You’ve seen me say it enough in this thread that I feel like it’s probably annoying but voter suppression in November is the biggest threat to Biden winning imo. And while they might not be able to do something major about it; calling attention to the repeated mishaps and making sure everyone is aware this is happening would be a nice way to raise some hell. At minimum it would help avoid the “you didn’t have much problem with it last time” form of what aboutism that we’d likely see should an Al Gore level robbery take place again.

Bottom line, Kentucky dems could have done more. It maybe wouldn't have made a difference directly in this primary. But bringing it to attention could lower the voter suppression we see in November.

[Pointgod]

They really screwed over Booker. I honestly don't know how this doesn't leave a sour taste for black voters.

If by they you mean Republicans then you’re right. This is just a test drive for the general. This is why you vote blue straight down the ticket.

How so? Kentucky has a democratic governor. And Louisville has a democratic mayor.

Neither the Governor nor the Mayor administer primary elections for the whole state. Want to guess who does?

[Pointgod]

I mean how much more could non-state Dems do besides tweet about it all day and all night long?

Kentucky dems can't do anything because they know that the SOS (republican) can override anything that Beshear wants and that the Assembly has basically veto-proof majorities so that anything Beshear vetoes can be overturned.

The problem I have with this general white flag waving and malaise is that the same attitude pops up when we have really important elections; like governor races in Georgia and Florida last time around. So while the trajectory of those states changes and power becomes more entrenched; we get the same general “well it’s not our fault, we can’t do anything about it” approach.

You’ve seen me say it enough in this thread that I feel like it’s probably annoying but voter suppression in November is the biggest threat to Biden winning imo. And while they might not be able to do something major about it; calling attention to the repeated mishaps and making sure everyone is aware this is happening would be a nice way to raise some hell. At minimum it would help avoid the “you didn’t have much problem with it last time” form of what aboutism that we’d likely see should an Al Gore level robbery take place again.

Well people need to vote in Democratic leaders then. The agreement to postpone the election was bipartisan when the Republican legislature could have overridden the Governor, but it’s a good thing it was postponed.

Implementing mail in voting was where the problem occurred because apparently there weren’t enough poll workers to open up more locations. Apparently requests for mail in balloting was the highest it’s ever been and wonder if it surpasses in person voting numbers of past elections. I have my doubts that this wasn’t purposely done by the Republicans but both Booker and McGrath Giles injunctions in the courts, many Democrats have talked about it including Lebron. At some point voters have to realize that Republicans are problems and you have to come out in huge numbers to vote them out and it has to be sustained every election cycle, not just Presidential ones. There’s one party who’s trying to make mail in voting mandatory at the Federal level and another party trying to block it. I’ll give you a guess who’s who.

[j4remi]

I mean how much more could non-state Dems do besides tweet about it all day and all night long?

Kentucky dems can't do anything because they know that the SOS (republican) can override anything that Beshear wants and that the Assembly has basically veto-proof majorities so that anything Beshear vetoes can be overturned.

The problem I have with this general white flag waving and malaise is that the same attitude pops up when we have really important elections; like governor races in Georgia and Florida last time around. So while the trajectory of those states changes and power becomes more entrenched; we get the same general “well it’s not our fault, we can’t do anything about it” approach.

You’ve seen me say it enough in this thread that I feel like it’s probably annoying but voter suppression in November is the biggest threat to Biden winning imo. And while they might not be able to do something major about it; calling attention to the repeated mishaps and making sure everyone is aware this is happening would be a nice way to raise some hell. At minimum it would help avoid the “you didn’t have much problem with it last time” form of what aboutism that we’d likely see should an Al Gore level robbery take place again.

Well people need to vote in Democratic leaders then. The agreement to postpone the election was bipartisan when the Republican legislature could have overridden the Governor, but it’s a good thing it was postponed.

Implementing mail in voting was where the problem occurred because apparently there weren’t enough poll workers to open up more locations. Apparently requests for mail in balloting was the highest it’s ever been and wonder if it surpasses in person voting numbers of past elections. I have my doubts that this wasn’t purposely done by the Republicans but both Booker and McGrath Giles injunctions in the courts, many Democrats have talked about it including Lebron. At some point voters have to realize that Republicans are problems and you have to come out in huge numbers to vote them out and it has to be sustained every election cycle, not just Presidential ones. There’s one party who’s trying to make mail in voting mandatory at the Federal level and another party trying to block it. I’ll give you a guess who’s who.

My entire point here is that they should be trying harder. I'm glad they made voting reform the first bill they put up as a new Congress, but I'm frustrated that they did a piss poor job promoting it. These current circumstances have presented another opportunity to center the issue and take up the fight; but there's no will power to actually make it a fight. So it's "we tried..but Republicans" even as we watch more voters disenfranchised be it incompetence or bad faith.

Yesterday wasn't the first time these circumstances existed, but we walked right into it again. You want voters to come out in huge numbers to vote out the Republicans? Make it easier for them to vote. And every time the Republicans play foul on this issue and it gets met with a shrug; they have every reason to try and get away with it again. Strategically speaking, I think the ball was dropped not forcing mandatory mail-in voting into the COVID spending bill discussion. But I have a lot of issues with the COVID spending negotiations I'll admit.

So to get back on my main point...If we resign ourselves to Republicans in power being able to suppress votes; then we're not doing enough to disincentivize voter suppression. If they can get away with it to win an election, they will do it. We know that. We saw that. Stacey Abrams lost to that. Asking voters to address voter suppression feels like it's missing the key component; enabling voters to address it. And if we can't enable the voters to do so because of Republican obstruction, then the least we can do is give them absolute hell for effectively stripping away a right that people still alive to day have to fight to be granted.

[HarthorneWingo]

Biden is up 12 pts in most polls.
The dems just need to keep him hidden until the election to win. Dont let him do interviews.

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Wasn't Hillary up by close to the same in '16?

[HarthorneWingo]

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