Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[WargamesX]

Yall know who we using the cap space on right? Oh so yall musta forgot we wanted Drummond a few months ago huh LOL

Is it bad that I've been thinking the same thing? This would be a horrible move. Now remember the Knicks were trying to get him mid season.

No evidence to back this up, but I always felr the Drummond talk was based on keeping him from going to the Nets. Like the Knicks would pay him double just to come him and stink it up rather than give the Nets another Center who might figure it out during the playoffs.

[Knick4Real]

OT: What happened to NYKMentality?? I thought he'd be creating posts like crazy by now.

[WargamesX]

OT: What happened to NYKMentality?? I thought he'd be creating posts like crazy by now.

He’s making questionable post on another Knick forum….

[Jimmit79]

Tomorrow is best time to enjoy FA rumors the worst time is few days later when nobody good is taking Dolans cash.

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[snadler]

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[snadler]

Riley always gets his man

[WargamesX]

Ok so right now I think the path of least resistance is Fournier and Nunn because from the sounds of it if the Heat are going for Lowry and trying to keep Duncan, Nunn is very likely gone.

Nunn
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Mitch

They give up some size at the wing (still) but are a much better 3 pt shooting team based on the starting lineup. Fournier can also work as a test pilot for “put a scorer at the two” and if he does well there guys like Lavine and Beal should take notice. I also think this is a playoff starting line up.

[aggo]

So you want the Knicks to 'spend it all' on overpaying mediocre talent to become a treadmill team because of this time line you believe they are bound to?

we've discussed this before many many times on the board

whatever you think of any players is completely immaterial. we're spending all of the capspace by RJ's max, and that is guaranteed.

The other players are material, if the Knicks overpay for mediocre talent they are a treadmill team not a contender. Did you miss that part?

If the Knicks can underpay for quality talent then when they do use up all the cap space it's a team that contends...not pretends.

This is the point!

no

you are failing to understand the principle of capspace and the extensions RJ and Randle will command. In order to maximize the utility of us CURRENTLY being under the cap, it is necessary that the team uses all of its capspace before RJ and Randle are extended because we possess their bird rights and have the ability to go over the cap to resign both players. We will collect contracts via trades and FA or RFA before we sign RJ to his new RFA. RJ's contract will likely move from 10m to 25m+ and Randle's at 18 to 25m+. Both need to be extended while we are OVER THE CAP.

if the team does not utilize the capspace before resigning RJ, then RJ's new contract will prohibit the team from going over the cap in FA.


so again.


we are spending all of the capspace or trading RJ/Randle before '23 whether you like this or not, its a guarantee.

[WargamesX]

we've discussed this before many many times on the board

whatever you think of any players is completely immaterial. we're spending all of the capspace by RJ's max, and that is guaranteed.

The other players are material, if the Knicks overpay for mediocre talent they are a treadmill team not a contender. Did you miss that part?

If the Knicks can underpay for quality talent then when they do use up all the cap space it's a team that contends...not pretends.

This is the point!

no

you are failing to understand the principle of capspace and the extensions RJ and Randle will command. In order to maximize the utility of us being under the cap, it is necessary that the team uses all of its capspace before RJ and Randle are extended because we possess their bird rights and have the ability to go over the cap to resign both players.

if the team does not utilize the capspace before resigning RJ, then RJ's new contract will prohibit the team from going over the cap in FA.


so again.


we are spending all of the capspace or trading RJ/Randle before '23 whether you like this or not, its a guarantee.

Ideally it’s 22 because that is Mitch and Randle extensions. RJ getting his in 23 would definitely be over the cap or we’ve traded guys away.

[F N 11]

I’m expecting the worst

[snadler]

I despise the heat so much and once again prove why having cap space is meaningless, they have been able to sign butler and Lowry and never had cap space for either player while the Knicks struggle to over pay mediocre talent

[aggo]

The other players are material, if the Knicks overpay for mediocre talent they are a treadmill team not a contender. Did you miss that part?

If the Knicks can underpay for quality talent then when they do use up all the cap space it's a team that contends...not pretends.

This is the point!

no

you are failing to understand the principle of capspace and the extensions RJ and Randle will command. In order to maximize the utility of us being under the cap, it is necessary that the team uses all of its capspace before RJ and Randle are extended because we possess their bird rights and have the ability to go over the cap to resign both players.

if the team does not utilize the capspace before resigning RJ, then RJ's new contract will prohibit the team from going over the cap in FA.


so again.


we are spending all of the capspace or trading RJ/Randle before '23 whether you like this or not, its a guarantee.

Ideally it’s 22 because that is Mitch and Randle extensions. RJ getting his in 23 would definitely be over the cap or we’ve traded guys away.

Yes this is correct.

from a game theory perspective we should spend all of our capspace this FA and/or next FA. or some combination of using capspace and trading for a player that we will be able to have bird rights to before RJ is signed to his new deal.

We should also probably seriously consider trading Mitch as opposed to giving him an extension.

[WargamesX]

I don’t understand this resentment against the Heat for Lowry? He was never rumored to be coming here nor was the Knicks rumored to want him.

PG rumors have always been Lonzo, CP3, Graham, Nunn and Schroeder plus everyone assuming Rose is coming back

[aq_ua]

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Knicks want Lowry. Lowry only wants to go to a team that's already competitive. Knicks can't get Lowry because we're not competitive enough. This is probably not the end of this sort of trend.

[aggo]

I despise the heat so much and once again prove why having cap space is meaningless, they have been able to sign butler and Lowry and never had cap space for either player while the Knicks struggle to over pay mediocre talent

Miami sells itself

hookers and blow

[snadler]

I don’t understand this resentment against the Heat for Lowry? He was never rumored to be coming here nor was the Knicks rumored to want him.

PG rumors have always been Lonzo, CP3, Graham, Nunn and Schroeder plus everyone assuming Rose is coming back

Of course Lowry was rumored to the Knicks, several times, but it’s not even so much losing out on Lowry it’s just how the heat don’t ever need cap space and still get whomever they want, because Riley knows how to sell culture..plus of course Riley leaving the knicks

[WargamesX]

no

you are failing to understand the principle of capspace and the extensions RJ and Randle will command. In order to maximize the utility of us being under the cap, it is necessary that the team uses all of its capspace before RJ and Randle are extended because we possess their bird rights and have the ability to go over the cap to resign both players.

if the team does not utilize the capspace before resigning RJ, then RJ's new contract will prohibit the team from going over the cap in FA.


so again.


we are spending all of the capspace or trading RJ/Randle before '23 whether you like this or not, its a guarantee.

Ideally it’s 22 because that is Mitch and Randle extensions. RJ getting his in 23 would definitely be over the cap or we’ve traded guys away.

Yes this is correct.

from a game theory perspective we should spend all of our capspace this FA and/or next FA. or some combination of using capspace and trading for a player that we will be able to have bird rights to before RJ is signed to his new deal.

We should also probably seriously consider trading Mitch as opposed to giving him an extension.

With Mitch his contract is cheap as hell for his production. I would be ok with giving him a Capella deal if we are over the cap starting at 13 and ending at 18 as a way for him to earn the money he should have got as a 1st round pick.

[F N 11]

Hate to be a downer but don’t look like we getting anybody. Prepare for the Augustines and Reggie Jackson’s of the nba.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Knicks want Lowry. Lowry only wants to go to a team that's already competitive. Knicks can't get Lowry because we're not competitive enough. This is probably not the end of this sort of trend.

I don't think that's the case in this situation at least, Lowry is friends with Butler, that and he probably moved his family to Florida already since the Raps had to play there.

RJ will be our door to signing players in the future, he's friends with a lot of guys which goes a long way to getting other stars.

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It emphasizes the need to have a super star, players only want to go play with stars, randle isn’t a proven star yet..knicks still in search of that #1, until then, they will be signing role players