Trades and Transactions Thread - Preseason and Beyond

[NoDopeOnSundays]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

Bench scoring.


We're the worst team in the NBA in that department, we average 20ppg off the bench The second worst averages 24.9ppg, so we're really bad.

We've traded for Rose, signed Burks, traded for Burks + Bogdanovic. He wants some kind of vet that scores on the bench.

Those bench numbers are deceiving though. We barely play our bench for two reasons. Injuries and Thibs is a maniac. I feel confident those numbers should increase when everyone is healthy and gets some time to find their groove. This will kick us up another level if/ when we get more scoring/minutes from the bench.

Precious coming back was supposed to lower the minutes for OG, Hart and Mikal, the opposite has happened, and Mikal has played 41mpg, OG 38 and Hart 36. The injuries aren't why he's playing these guys so much, he just doesn't trust anyone else on the bench outside of Payne & Deuce.

If they're looking at Clarkson, it has to be because they want to take away some of the minutes and they also don't really trust Shamet either.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Bench scoring.


We're the worst team in the NBA in that department, we average 20ppg off the bench The second worst averages 24.9ppg, so we're really bad.

We've traded for Rose, signed Burks, traded for Burks + Bogdanovic. He wants some kind of vet that scores on the bench.

Those bench numbers are deceiving though. We barely play our bench for two reasons. Injuries and Thibs is a maniac. I feel confident those numbers should increase when everyone is healthy and gets some time to find their groove. This will kick us up another level if/ when we get more scoring/minutes from the bench.

Precious coming back was supposed to lower the minutes for OG, Hart and Mikal, the opposite has happened, and Mikal has played 41mpg, OG 38 and Hart 36. The injuries aren't why he's playing these guys so much, he just doesn't trust anyone else on the bench outside of Payne & Deuce.

If they're looking at Clarkson, it has to be because they want to take away some of the minutes and they also don't really trust Shamet either.

Shamet just came back and Thibs raved about his bench trio since preseason. I am not saying they wouldn't upgrade if they can but, we have not seen the bench play at all this season. I did say that Thibs was a maniac too. Rumors aside though, Precious came back 6 games ago so, we really don't have a sample size of what our bench can do. Those bench numbers are misleading is my point.

Clarkson/Kessler for Mitch and things makes a ton of sense. Clarkson on his own, I would be a little bothered by that. Probably a lot bothered by it honestly. I'll rant and rave at first and then hope to be proven wrong....AGAIN...by this FO.

[thebuzzardman]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

Bench scoring.


We're the worst team in the NBA in that department, we average 20ppg off the bench The second worst averages 24.9ppg, so we're really bad.

We've traded for Rose, signed Burks, traded for Burks + Bogdanovic. He wants some kind of vet that scores on the bench.

So, Deuce sits?

Or do the Knicks want to move Mitch and Dadiet or Kolek (plus some 2nds etc) for Clarkson/Kessler?

Or the Knicks are comfortable with Sims\Precious as the backup 5?

[R-DAWG]

Luxury items was a bit of snark.

Interesting though, that in deep contention the Knicks are carrying 3 to 5 "developmental" players.
Kolek,Dadiet, McCullars, Toppin, Hukporti and even Sims, to a degree.

I get that Kolek and Dadiet represent a last chance to draft in the first round for a couple of years.

That Hukpootie and McCullars are those late picks to kind of take a chance on (Hukpootie for development, McCullars because injury) that are almost best looked at like being 2025 picks.

Just seems clear Knicks might shed one or more of those guys for a vet.
Then again, Thibs barely plays 8, so why worry about players 9 or 10

The reason the roster is this way is because of the 2nd apron. The Knicks are currently only about $550k below the 2nd apron and can't add another vet min until mid march.

They selected Dadiet, a development prospect, because he will willing to take less than slot. A 4 year college guy who was more ready to play now would have created issues under the 2nd apron.

Kolek is a high 2nd rd pick on a normal contract for those kinds of players.

Sims and Huk are on the roster because they cost less than a traditional minimum slot.

The roster is maxed out in terms of space under the 2nd apron. And the breakdown of 8 traditional contracts, 2 rookie scale contracts, 2 vet minimums and filling the gaps makes sense.

We will have room for another vet mini to add some time in February. We are stacked with Thibs type players that he will actually play and we have Mitch and another roster spot open. We could legit be 12 deep at some point with 4 rookies on the team. What GM has ever done the things Leon is doing here?

Brunson/Payne
Mikal/Deuce
Hart/Shamet
OG/Precious
KAT/Mitch/Sims

That's a solid 11 deep. There is ZERO reason for players going 40+ every night now but, we will.

I mean, almost every team is 12 deep when you break it down that way. Really what you need is 7-8 playoff guys and 2-3 regular season innings eaters.

But i guess it's true no other team is running out Holiday/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Horford/Pritchard and control of 6 of 7 future draft picks the way Leon is

oops, got that one wrong

correction, only Leon is running out SGA/Williams/Dort/Holmgram/Hartenstein/Carusso/Wallace/Wiggins/Joe while sitting on all his future picks plus like 5-7 others

Sorry, Leon hasn't been that impressive. He's significantly overpaid for a 2nd tier team.

[thebuzzardman]

The reason the roster is this way is because of the 2nd apron. The Knicks are currently only about $550k below the 2nd apron and can't add another vet min until mid march.

They selected Dadiet, a development prospect, because he will willing to take less than slot. A 4 year college guy who was more ready to play now would have created issues under the 2nd apron.

Kolek is a high 2nd rd pick on a normal contract for those kinds of players.

Sims and Huk are on the roster because they cost less than a traditional minimum slot.

The roster is maxed out in terms of space under the 2nd apron. And the breakdown of 8 traditional contracts, 2 rookie scale contracts, 2 vet minimums and filling the gaps makes sense.

We will have room for another vet mini to add some time in February. We are stacked with Thibs type players that he will actually play and we have Mitch and another roster spot open. We could legit be 12 deep at some point with 4 rookies on the team. What GM has ever done the things Leon is doing here?

Brunson/Payne
Mikal/Deuce
Hart/Shamet
OG/Precious
KAT/Mitch/Sims

That's a solid 11 deep. There is ZERO reason for players going 40+ every night now but, we will.

I mean, almost every team is 12 deep when you break it down that way. Really what you need is 7-8 playoff guys and 2-3 regular season innings eaters.

But i guess it's true no other team is running out Holiday/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Horford/Pritchard and control of 6 of 7 future draft picks the way Leon is

oops, got that one wrong

correction, only Leon is running out SGA/Williams/Dort/Holmgram/Hartenstein/Carusso/Wallace/Wiggins/Joe while sitting on all his future picks plus like 5-7 others

Sorry, Leon hasn't been that impressive. He's significantly overpaid for a 2nd tier team.

Yeah, other teams are in good positions.

When's the last time the Knicks were?
50 years ago?

[ctorres]

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Throw in Kessler in this deal and work some magic Leon

Because just adding Clarkson makes no sense for us

Kessler and Clarkson for McBride and Robinson is a trade I predicted earlier in the season.

Robinson for Clarkson works straight up but I don't see how Clarkson fits if we have Payne, McBride, and Shamet.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The reason the roster is this way is because of the 2nd apron. The Knicks are currently only about $550k below the 2nd apron and can't add another vet min until mid march.

They selected Dadiet, a development prospect, because he will willing to take less than slot. A 4 year college guy who was more ready to play now would have created issues under the 2nd apron.

Kolek is a high 2nd rd pick on a normal contract for those kinds of players.

Sims and Huk are on the roster because they cost less than a traditional minimum slot.

The roster is maxed out in terms of space under the 2nd apron. And the breakdown of 8 traditional contracts, 2 rookie scale contracts, 2 vet minimums and filling the gaps makes sense.

We will have room for another vet mini to add some time in February. We are stacked with Thibs type players that he will actually play and we have Mitch and another roster spot open. We could legit be 12 deep at some point with 4 rookies on the team. What GM has ever done the things Leon is doing here?

Brunson/Payne
Mikal/Deuce
Hart/Shamet
OG/Precious
KAT/Mitch/Sims

That's a solid 11 deep. There is ZERO reason for players going 40+ every night now but, we will.

I mean, almost every team is 12 deep when you break it down that way. Really what you need is 7-8 playoff guys and 2-3 regular season innings eaters.

But i guess it's true no other team is running out Holiday/White/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Horford/Pritchard and control of 6 of 7 future draft picks the way Leon is

oops, got that one wrong

correction, only Leon is running out SGA/Williams/Dort/Holmgram/Hartenstein/Carusso/Wallace/Wiggins/Joe while sitting on all his future picks plus like 5-7 others

Sorry, Leon hasn't been that impressive. He's significantly overpaid for a 2nd tier team.

Should I clarify the meaning of the word HERE? OK....or should I add the word Knicks in front of GM. Sorry for the confusion bro. I kind of assumes people would get the gist. My bad. Here means in NY. Just to clear things up. Your sarcasm is much appreciated but, due to lack of understanding the meaning of the word here, it is slightly misdirected

[JayTWill]

I hope we don't add another ageing player that doesn't play defense once again this year. Clarkson efficiency has been terrible for a while now.

[stuporman]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

No defense super chucker...Knicks don't have one of those

[thebuzzardman]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

No defense super chucker...Knicks don't have one of those

Thibs wants another Burks. Must be.

[spree2kawhi]

Boucher could be a great bench piece for us.

[Jalen Bluntson]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

No defense super chucker...Knicks don't have one of those

Thibs wants another Burks. Must be.

We have TJ in Westchester. If they trade Mitch for Clarkson they have to get Kessler in that trade somehow. It makes no sense to me otherwise. Seems like a RealGM trade just to make a trade move.

I trust Leon. I would not be mad if we did nothing. I would like that more than any Clarkson trade that doesn't include Kessler.

[thebuzzardman]

Magic unrealistic wish time.

Knicks add Tate from the Rockets for Precious & something plus some 2nd rounders

Knicks add Clarkson & Kessler for Mitch & ? and of course picks

Zero idea if it works under the cap

[stuporman]

This should begin to clear up what the Knicks can...and more likely can't do in the trade market. Almost seems like do nothing will be the outcome and maybe the best course of action if it means taking away some of the depth core pieces like Deuce.

Mitch is the only piece that seems like a trade piece because he hasn't been playing and may not fit as well with the current play style but in my opinion he has a role in the rotation if he can stay healthy...yea, I know big 'IF' which he hasn't ever seemed to fulfill.

What ever happened to Jay Huff for the Grizzlies? Is he hurt or just out of the rotation? I'd love for the Knicks to somehow snag him as a stretch center who blocks shots depth piece. He can fill the role KAT does without the elite talent but bring some similar skills.

Watch on YouTube

[Jose7]

Knicks neeed an athletic backup wing… thibs is not gonna let up with the minutes for Mikal and OG unfortunately..I get it and he will never change but it will be our downfall.

I’m all for scraping Mitch and pick(s) for a legit rotation wing 2/3/4 with length.. DFS mold

[thebuzzardman]

This should begin to clear up what the Knicks can...and more likely can't do in the trade market. Almost seems like do nothing will be the outcome and maybe the best course of action if it means taking away some of the depth core pieces like Deuce.

Mitch is the only piece that seems like a trade piece because he hasn't been playing and may not fit as well with the current play style but in my opinion he has a role in the rotation if he can stay healthy...yea, I know big 'IF' which he hasn't ever seemed to fulfill.

What ever happened to Jay Huff for the Grizzlies? Is he hurt or just out of the rotation? I'd love for the Knicks to somehow snag him as a stretch center who blocks shots depth piece. He can fill the role KAT does without the elite talent but bring some similar skills.

Watch on YouTube

Basically, that says they might trade Mitch or Precious because Center glut and Precious isn't under contract next year and Mitch is extension eligible and maybe they don't trust his health.

[Riot Randolph]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

Bench scoring.


We're the worst team in the NBA in that department, we average 20ppg off the bench The second worst averages 24.9ppg, so we're really bad.

We've traded for Rose, signed Burks, traded for Burks + Bogdanovic. He wants some kind of vet that scores on the bench.

So, Deuce sits?

Or do the Knicks want to move Mitch and Dadiet or Kolek (plus some 2nds etc) for Clarkson/Kessler?

Or the Knicks are comfortable with Sims\Precious as the backup 5?

lol bench barely playing im sure biases that stat

[Riot Randolph]

Knicks neeed an athletic backup wing… thibs is not gonna let up with the minutes for Mikal and OG unfortunately..I get it and he will never change but it will be our downfall.

I’m all for scraping Mitch and pick(s) for a legit rotation wing 2/3/4 with length.. DFS mold

Deni Avdija

[Riot Randolph]

What does Clarkson bring that the Knicks lack?

No defense super chucker...Knicks don't have one of those

Thibs wants another Burks. Must be.

I think op mixed up Clarkson with kuzma …because kuzma plays solid defense and is a solid scorer …he would be perfect

[KnicksGadfly]

Knicks neeed an athletic backup wing… thibs is not gonna let up with the minutes for Mikal and OG unfortunately..I get it and he will never change but it will be our downfall.

I’m all for scraping Mitch and pick(s) for a legit rotation wing 2/3/4 with length.. DFS mold

Deni Avdija

I'm a big fan of him. He can also play PF, he's a tough rebounder, he can stretch the floor, he loves to pass, he plays defense, and he's on a really nice contract. He's also not afraid to attack the basket, get to the line, and run after a miss. He'd love playing with Josh Hart.

Unfortunately, the Blazers paid a fair bit for him, and with his age and contract and the fact that the Blazers need good/unselfish 3&D wing defenders, I think this discussion is basically over. They gave up pick 14, Brogdon, a 2029 1st...