July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[Carl_Karlson]

We still need additional scoring. Is Nate still a knucklehead? I remember he did a good job of stepping in for Rose a few seasons ago

[Pjax4Prez]

I know its too far to get a good grasp not his question but who do you hope the Knicks target in 2016?

Obviously Phil is going with the model of surrounding Melo with decent role players and hope that KP turns into a star sooner rather than later. The only big problem with this plan that I see is that he is relying heavily on Melo to perform at MVP level to make this team competitive and attractive to possible free agents in 2016

Judging from the quote from the Aldridge piece about the Knicks during free agency, we are not going to cater to big free agents desires. With that being said, the way this team is built currently, the big free agent targets won't quite fit this team.

Mike Conely seem like he will leave
Kevin Durant would either force Melo to the 4 and slow the development of KP
Al Holford would slow the development of KP or force us to move Robin Lopez

Who do you see Phil targeting next year?

[moocow007]

We still need additional scoring. Is Nate still a knucklehead? I remember he did a good job of stepping in for Rose a few seasons ago

I wouldn't mind but I get the sense that Jackson is trying to avoid guys like Nate (and JR and Beasley and...).

[DaGawd]

It's quiet... Too quiet...

[moocow007]

I know its too far to get a good grasp not his question but who do you hope the Knicks target in 2016?

Obviously Phil is going with the model of surrounding Melo with decent role players and hope that KP turns into a star sooner rather than later. The only big problem with this plan that I see is that he is relying heavily on Melo to perform at MVP level to make this team competitive and attractive to possible free agents in 2016

Judging from the quote from the Aldridge piece about the Knicks during free agency, we are not going to cater to big free agents desires. With that being said, the way this team is built currently, the big free agent targets won't quite fit this team.

Mike Conely seem like he will leave
Kevin Durant would either force Melo to the 4 and slow the development of KP
Al Holford would slow the development of KP or force us to move Robin Lopez

Who do you see Phil targeting next year?

Durant assuming he's healthy. Durant will only be 27 years old by the summer of 2016. Has to be the primary guy to go after no matter who plays what position.

You might end up with Conley or Horford, but there's no reason to not go after the best.

This is like trying to figure out who you want to take to prom...the hot cheerleader, the cute nerd or the interesting goth. You might end up with taking the nerd to prom, but why on earth would you not try for the hot cheerleader? Let the cheerleader tell you no, don't assume she'll say no.

In fact this is a real life experience of sorts for me. When I was in HS, i liked this girl that was in the very popular crowd. She never talked to me other than an occasional smile here and there (couldn't tell if it was because my zipper was open or I had something in my teeth or what). Prom was coming up and most of my friends were resigned to either not going or asking some ugly or unpopular chick to it (to be sure that they at least have a date). i said, screw it, what's the worst that could happen? She says no? She laughs in my face? So I asked her. Her response? Sure, I love to. She told me she always wondered why I never talked to her (so she knew who I was and that I was interested).

[Jeff Van Gully]

I know its too far to get a good grasp not his question but who do you hope the Knicks target in 2016?

Obviously Phil is going with the model of surrounding Melo with decent role players and hope that KP turns into a star sooner rather than later. The only big problem with this plan that I see is that he is relying heavily on Melo to perform at MVP level to make this team competitive and attractive to possible free agents in 2016

Judging from the quote from the Aldridge piece about the Knicks during free agency, we are not going to cater to big free agents desires. With that being said, the way this team is built currently, the big free agent targets won't quite fit this team.

Mike Conely seem like he will leave
Kevin Durant would either force Melo to the 4 and slow the development of KP
Al Holford would slow the development of KP or force us to move Robin Lopez

Who do you see Phil targeting next year?

there could still be minutes for KP as a reserve if durant were to come. i don't think he would have a problem with being that super sub. he could still get 35 minutes per night backing up all the frontcourt spots. he'd be playing alongside KD or melo a lot, and he'd probably get time at the 5 with them both. it would be interesting.

i'd love to have a deep team like that. could be a good answer for development without crazy expectations. teams would have fits trying to defend that mess.

[don't panac]

if you guys don't get your ish together and gear it back up a bit, we won't reach 1000 pages.

[RaZzMaTaZz]

Knicks still have the 2.8, but not much left in the FA market. Boozer seems like the best FA left and Phil did mention he wants to add 1 more big on the team.

[K_ick_God]

One thing that concerns me is that KOQ didn't speak that confidently in any interview I saw. He seemed to say he's not a scorer, that he knew he wasn't in line for one of the top contracts, etc. Indeed I think he took less than he should have perhaps.

Humility is good -- seems like a great guy -- but he has a lot of tools out there. He's not going to be Larry Bird with the J but seems like he has the potential to be a really good scorer, passer, and registers across a number of hustle metrics. That's a diamond in the rough but he speaks more like he's just a small cog. I believe he said he sees himself as a backup and would be happy with his 20, 25 MPG.

He did however say he was obsessed with winning.

Something to watch for. This guy should expect and strive for greatness.

[riter]

In fact this is a real life experience of sorts for me. When I was in HS, i liked this girl that was in the very popular crowd. She never talked to me other than an occasional smile here and there (couldn't tell if it was because my zipper was open or I had something in my teeth or what). Prom was coming up and most of my friends were resigned to either not going or asking some ugly or unpopular chick to it (to be sure that they at least have a date). i said, screw it, what's the worst that could happen? She says no? She laughs in my face? So I asked her. Her response? Sure, I love to. She told me she always wondered why I never talked to her (so she knew who I was and that I was interested).

pics or gtfo

[moocow007]

One thing that concerns me is that KOQ didn't speak that confidently in any interview I saw. He seemed to say he's not a scorer, that he knew he wasn't in line for one of the top contracts, etc. Indeed I think he took less than he should have perhaps.

Humility is good -- seems like a great guy -- but he has a lot of tools out there. He's not going to be Larry Bird with the J but seems like he has the potential to be a really good scorer, passer, and registers across a number of hustle metrics. That's a diamond in the rough but he speaks more like he's just a small cog. I believe he said he sees himself as a backup.

Something to watch for. This guy should expect and strive for greatness.

I don't know I kinda got an different vibe from those interviews. Yeah part of it is that I think he's just a humble/shy type guy but I got the sense that he felt the opportunity in NY was going to be great for him in terms of taking his game the next level. He sounded amped about being back home in familiar surroundings and that having family and friends cheering him on will be great. I think he'll be fine. He did seem to put the emphasis on defense, rebounding and hardwork which is good. I think if he focuses on that, whatever offense we get will just be gravy. He apparently looked good enough in his rookie season for the Magic to think that he can not only play PF but also be a stretch 4 offensively. So he should be able to tow a little of the offensive load. I think this will be good. Anthony has a lot more help offensively than he had last season without having to worry about his alpha role being taken over. He's got better defenders around him and everyone appears to know their roles. I think the dynamic is going to be fine IF Anthony fully accepts and buys into it.

[Pjax4Prez]

I know its too far to get a good grasp not his question but who do you hope the Knicks target in 2016?

Obviously Phil is going with the model of surrounding Melo with decent role players and hope that KP turns into a star sooner rather than later. The only big problem with this plan that I see is that he is relying heavily on Melo to perform at MVP level to make this team competitive and attractive to possible free agents in 2016

Judging from the quote from the Aldridge piece about the Knicks during free agency, we are not going to cater to big free agents desires. With that being said, the way this team is built currently, the big free agent targets won't quite fit this team.

Mike Conely seem like he will leave
Kevin Durant would either force Melo to the 4 and slow the development of KP
Al Holford would slow the development of KP or force us to move Robin Lopez

Who do you see Phil targeting next year?

Durant assuming he's healthy. Durant will only be 27 years old by the summer of 2016. Has to be the primary guy to go after no matter who plays what position.

You might end up with Conley or Horford, but there's no reason to not go after the best.

This is like trying to figure out who you want to take to prom...the hot cheerleader, the cute nerd or the interesting goth. You might end up with taking the nerd to prom, but why on earth would you not try for the hot cheerleader? Let the cheerleader tell you no, don't assume she'll say no.

In fact this is a real life experience of sorts for me. When I was in HS, i liked this girl that was in the very popular crowd. She never talked to me other than an occasional smile here and there (couldn't tell if it was because my zipper was open or I had something in my teeth or what). Prom was coming up and most of my friends were resigned to either not going or asking some ugly or unpopular chick to it (to be sure that they at least have a date). i said, screw it, what's the worst that could happen? She says no? She laughs in my face? So I asked her. Her response? Sure, I love to. She told me she always wondered why I never talked to her (so she knew who I was and that I was interested).

While I do agree with your method, as does Phil since he did attempt to lure some of the bigger free agents here, I guess I was working under the assumption if we got shut out by the supposed big 3 free agents of the upcoming class.

Likely scenario IMO:

We win 35-38 games
Miss playoffs
KP and Grant show flashes but still not ready to make a huge impact.

I think that would put us in similar territory as we were in this season from a big-time free agent perspective, especially with most of these guys seeming to have winning on their minds. (All not "spring-chickens" anymore and all have not won before but been on good teams)

[AmazingJason]

I know its too far to get a good grasp not his question but who do you hope the Knicks target in 2016?

Obviously Phil is going with the model of surrounding Melo with decent role players and hope that KP turns into a star sooner rather than later. The only big problem with this plan that I see is that he is relying heavily on Melo to perform at MVP level to make this team competitive and attractive to possible free agents in 2016

Judging from the quote from the Aldridge piece about the Knicks during free agency, we are not going to cater to big free agents desires. With that being said, the way this team is built currently, the big free agent targets won't quite fit this team.

Mike Conely seem like he will leave
Kevin Durant would either force Melo to the 4 and slow the development of KP
Al Holford would slow the development of KP or force us to move Robin Lopez

Who do you see Phil targeting next year?

Porzingis
Melo
Durant
Afflalo
Grant

It won't be a question of if, it will be a question of how many.

[brooklynoxy]

Knicks still have the 2.8, but not much left in the FA market. Boozer seems like the best FA left and Phil did mention he wants to add 1 more big on the team.

Two back-up Bigs caught my eye and they seem to be unrestricted. The first one is JaVale McGeee whose primary purpose I see is being a rim protector and JaVale used to be one of the best at put-back slams!. I do not know what is going on with McVee, but it seems as if he is free to sign with any NBA team for the vet's minimum.

I was shocked to see this kid's name on the unrestricted free agent list, and this is Cody Zeller. I know that Charlotte was under the gun to trade him in order to sign Frank Kaminsky yet I am in the dark about tHis guideline and/or stipulation.
Zeller is only 22 years old, averaged 7.7 PPG a game and around 4.4 RPG,

I think that O'Quinn is fine for a back-up PF, but that Zeller is affordable for either the vet's minim or the Room exception.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Who ever said anything you are arguing against in this post and what does Hibbert at Georgetown have to do with anything?

You were putting words in my mouth basically saying that I said he would be as good as Hibbert was defensively - which I never said. Saying a player can impact the game defensively does not mean he will be an elite defender. It means that he can impact the game.

The stuff at UT was because you brought up his not getting consistent PT.

I never said that. You said he'll be a good defensive player anyway so I asked you to name a good defensive rookie outside of Nerlens and said you are comparing a guy that couldn't get consistent PT at Texas (you talk about going small but Myles can shoot his ass off) to a top 5 defender.

And I skipped over your comment on George Hill not being good on ball because it's obvious you didn't watch Indiana at all once he got healthy last year if you believe that.

Drummond, Hibbert, Sanders, Gobert, Noah, Horford, Dwight, Gortat, and others were impactful defenders. Like I said, you don't have to be an elite defender to be an impactful one.

His shooting splits (good vs bad teams) had a pretty dramatic change - so while he has shown he can stretch the floor, he's far from being consistent. His (inconsistent) shooting ability had nothing to do with them not wanting to play 2 bigs at the same time - the issue was defensively. Neither Turner, Ibeh, nor Ridley could guard opposing 4s on the perimeter - that's why they played Holmes at 4 a huge amount.

I also never said that Hill cannot play on ball - Christ, dude, did you read what I posted? Apparently not. I said "He's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball." Where the hell did I say what you think I said? Nice quip about me not watching them play, which is garbage by the way. For someone who knows as much about basketball as you do, you sure come off as a condescending poster sometimes.

Enjoy your day.

[Greenie]

I gave you good reason.

Snell gets no love because he has no love for my eyes!!!

Tony Snell looks like Daffy Duck with no bill and bad acne.

Damn, why do y'all have to go in on Tony Snell like that?

Because that muthafuqer is ugly

[Greenie]

I'm in here to tell you guys something again and I'm gonna keep doing it.

Spoiler:

I want Trey Burke. We need a scorer.
Phil, do what's right.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I'm in here to tell you guys something again and I'm gonna keep doing it.

Spoiler:

I want Trey Burke. We need a scorer.
Phil, do what's right.

The guy who has shot 37.4% from the FIELD (and is sub 1PPS) for his career is a scorer?

[Triple C]

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[E-Balla]

You were putting words in my mouth basically saying that I said he would be as good as Hibbert was defensively - which I never said. Saying a player can impact the game defensively does not mean he will be an elite defender. It means that he can impact the game.

The stuff at UT was because you brought up his not getting consistent PT.

I never said that. You said he'll be a good defensive player anyway so I asked you to name a good defensive rookie outside of Nerlens and said you are comparing a guy that couldn't get consistent PT at Texas (you talk about going small but Myles can shoot his ass off) to a top 5 defender.

And I skipped over your comment on George Hill not being good on ball because it's obvious you didn't watch Indiana at all once he got healthy last year if you believe that.

Drummond, Hibbert, Sanders, Gobert, Noah, Horford, Dwight, Gortat, and others were impactful defenders. Like I said, you don't have to be an elite defender to be an impactful one.

His shooting splits (good vs bad teams) had a pretty dramatic change - so while he has shown he can stretch the floor, he's far from being consistent. His (inconsistent) shooting ability had nothing to do with them not wanting to play 2 bigs at the same time - the issue was defensively. Neither Turner, Ibeh, nor Ridley could guard opposing 4s on the perimeter - that's why they played Holmes at 4 a huge amount.

I also never said that Hill cannot play on ball - Christ, dude, did you read what I posted? Apparently not. I said "He's not a ball dominant guard and can easily spot up and play off ball." Where the hell did I say what you think I said? Nice quip about me not watching them play, which is garbage by the way. For someone who knows as much about basketball as you do, you sure come off as a condescending poster sometimes.

Enjoy your day.

IMO impactful means you aren't easily replaced with a below average defensive C and that you noticeably make you team better on that end. Out of the guys you named only Hibbert, Horford, and Gortat (in his 10-15 minutes a night) were impactful. Guys like GObert and Sanders were on the bench all year and guys like Noah and Drummond weren't bad but they had a ton of lapses.

With George Hill look at how good he was and the Indiana offense was when he was off ball and look at how good they were without Paul George and with the ball in Hill's hand.