Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[3toheadmelo]

If Rudy Gay can come back from this like 80-85%, I'm sure Durant can too. I think I'd still sign him. You can still develop the young players and by the time he comes back, they'll be ready.

Rudy Gay per minute is still putting up the same if not better numbers.

Rudy Gay was 10x better in Memphis and Sacramento bro. Look at the numbers. Big difference. Just stay away from KD. You don’t take chances on Achilles tears.

[SelbyCobra]

I feel like there's a similar lack of credit/disrespect thing going on with Davis that there was with Durant, and/or Steph, and/or Klay at varying points earlier in these playoffs.

I think painting Davis as "not worth it now" is crazy to me. The guy is one of the best players in the league and still likely in his pre-prime. He's the kind of player you clear cap space for to build around, and just because there happened to be an even better player rumored to be coming to the Knicks doesn't mean that Davis really was nothing more than an ancillary player.

I get that there might be less certainty about him signing longterm now, but to me that's still a no-brainer risk you have to take if a player like AD wants to play for your org. We're talking a top-10, debatably top-5 player, who plays both sides of the ball and is 26 years old.

The massive shadow of a legend like Durant has messed with the optics of a Davis signing. If you really have faith in Perry you make that move without question and build around Davis 10 times out of 10. He's that talented, productive, and young. He might not be Kawhi or Durant level, but just because NOP f*cked up their time with him doesn't mean he's not that dude.

I agree 100% that Davis is THAT dude.. but what scares me about trading for him is how would the Knicks would be better suited for building around AD than NOP were? At that point after trading for him several team building assets would've been shipped out for him.. we would be behind the ball a little bit in trying to get a suitable supporting cast around him while he's still in his prime years

Absolutely, there's risk involved and it won't be easy. But that's part of the deal, and I think you still have to do it. The Durant situation leading up to last night was so intoxicating partly because there was NO risk - he was going to sign and bring other legit maxes with him. It was pure fantasyland stuff that was happening in real life - like we were profiting from insider trading.

Just because we no longer have a "cheat code" doesn't mean we should play the game, IMO. Anthony Davis being that dude AND available is exactly why Perry has done all the heavy lifting to this point, even if acquiring him still carries noticeable risk in terms of the the hole you have to dig to get him to build his foundation in the Garden.

Paul George and Kawhi Leonard were both traded for with SIGNIFICANTLY more risk/question marks. I'd play the same game with Davis.

[DaGawd]

If you a real Knicks fan, you better root like hell Warriors win 3 in a row and another title

#kawhikd

So you thinking the Raptors losing at this point makes Kawhi more likely to leave?? Interesting.. I was thinking winning a title would make it so

[Fury]

If Rudy Gay can come back from this like 80-85%, I'm sure Durant can too. I think I'd still sign him. You can still develop the young players and by the time he comes back, they'll be ready.

Rudy Gay per minute is still putting up the same if not better numbers.

Rudy Gay was 10x better in Memphis and Sacramento bro. Look at the numbers. Big difference. Just stay away from KD. You don’t take chances on Achilles tears.

Only difference is the minutes. Which the Spurs manage.

[shtolky]

You can't sign him now, assuming it's a full tear. You just can't. It sucks, I feel a bit like I'm in mourning, because this is the domino that affects our entire offseason and beyond. Trading for AD now would be a risk because KD was the guy to pair him with. Now that's up in the air as far as a second guy. It sucks going from excitement about a possible KD/Kyrie/AD team to RJ Barrett, but it is what it is. Perry can still be smart with the rebuild, lots of space, picks, young players, but this hurts a lot. I was really looking forward to seeing KD light up MSG.

[2010]

If you a real Knicks fan, you better root like hell Warriors win 3 in a row and another title

#kawhikd

Or if you’re a real Knicks fan you can remember that signing players who have experienced devastating injuries in the past has never worked for the franchise and to stop making the same stupid decisions over and over again.

Rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Achilles Tear Durant

Explain to me how rooting for the Raptors to prevail would help our offseason.

[newyorker4ever]

If you insult KD with a contract like this, he won't come. Plenty of other teams will guarantee his contract like nothing happened. And so will James Dolan

Bobby Marks was on Get Up and said he already spoke to 3 teams that all said they'd still have no problem giving KD a max contract offer. He didn't specify which teams but KD will still have plenty of options and wouldn't doubt if a max offer from the Knicks is one of them.

IR: Kevin Durant

Can't wait

I get it and i'm with you, but if we went the keep on rebuilding route then we would still have to spend like $60 mil on players next year anyway to satisfy what teams have to spend each year so why not spend it on KD instead of just throwing it away on one year players that you're only signing because you have to spend a certain amount of the cap and those players will be leaving after next year anyway. Now you just spend some of it on KD and let him heal and you still have plenty of money to spend on either other players or if somehow another max is good with waiting KD out for a year and still wants to come to the Knicks. Just don't trade next years 1st round pick in any trade because there's a good chance we're back in the lottery so it would be nice to have a lottery pick to look forward to next year.

I'm not saying it's some great option and that it's not risky as hellz taking a chance that KD not only heals but heals 100% and stays healthy and comes back the same K.Durant he was before the injury but if he does then things could work out for us still, just a year later then we were expecting/hoping. Someone is absolutely going to give him a max contract if he doesn't decide to just opt in for his last year with GSW, and some even think it will be GSW that still offers him a max.

[Traveyknicks23]

If you a real Knicks fan, you better root like hell Warriors win 3 in a row and another title

#kawhikd

Or if you’re a real Knicks fan you can remember that signing players who have experienced devastating injuries in the past has never worked for the franchise and to stop making the same stupid decisions over and over again.

Rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Achilles Tear Durant

Explain to me how rooting for the Raptors to prevail would help our offseason.

It doesn’t at all I’m still stuck on how you plan to rebuild when the draft lottery is the way it is now

[G_K_F]

If you a real Knicks fan, you better root like hell Warriors win 3 in a row and another title

#kawhikd

Or if you’re a real Knicks fan you can remember that signing players who have experienced devastating injuries in the past has never worked for the franchise and to stop making the same stupid decisions over and over again.

Rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Achilles Tear Durant

Explain to me how rooting for the Raptors to prevail would help our offseason.

I don’t know if it will hurt or help. I don’t think it matters at all.

My point is more about not signing Durant to a max deal, as you seem to be advocating for. It hasn’t worked for us in the past and it won’t work now. I’d rather go in a different direction.

[3toheadmelo]

If Rudy Gay can come back from this like 80-85%, I'm sure Durant can too. I think I'd still sign him. You can still develop the young players and by the time he comes back, they'll be ready.

Rudy Gay per minute is still putting up the same if not better numbers.

Rudy Gay was 10x better in Memphis and Sacramento bro. Look at the numbers. Big difference. Just stay away from KD. You don’t take chances on Achilles tears.

Only difference is the minutes. Which the Spurs manage.

There’s a reason why he doesn’t start on the spurs. He’s not that dude anymore. He’s just a decent 6th man at most now.

[mpharris36]

the plan slightly changes but I still think you can sign KD and rebuild. Instead of using the other 30+ million to either sign a 2nd star or trade all our assets for AD. You sign KD and use the remaining cap space to take on a couple bad 1 year contracts and add more future picks.

There are absolutely no FA worth signing in 2020 which is why I have no issues signing KD now and letting him miss the season because we would continue our rebuild and then possibly go into 2020 with a rehabbed KD and even more assets and youth (maybe even AD comes as a FA now) because we have the space.

Then you trade for a 3rd star with the additional assets and have.

KD free agent in 2019
AD free agent in 2020
All our youth and picks to trade for a 3rd star if we need to.
+ most likely another high lottery pick

[newyorker4ever]

The only free agent I want is Randle. 24 years old and is improving every year.

Watch on YouTube

He'd be a great piece at PF next to M.Robinson and can also play center to take some pressure off of M.Rob who i'm not sure is ready for a full time roll yet.

[2010]

If you a real Knicks fan, you better root like hell Warriors win 3 in a row and another title

#kawhikd

So you thinking the Raptors losing at this point makes Kawhi more likely to leave?? Interesting.. I was thinking winning a title would make it so

If they lose he outta there. If they win a title he will still listen to NY and LA pitch but he will have to be sold and there would have to be enough help to win.

Every one of us should be rooting for an epic Warriors comeback and for Steph to go nuts and cement the team as his for ever and ever...

[BeagleBoss]

Stop with the Kawhi talk. He's never ever coming here. 0% chance. Not even 1% chance.

Beagle, let me preface this by saying I like you. Always have. Cuz you are a straight shooter. You don't do the cute chit.

So with all due respect, I ask how are you quantifying those percentages? What is the basis of your confidence?

Much respect 2010. The feeling is mutual. How do I quantify those percentages? I look at the last 20 years.

I have no confidence.

But seriously, I don't see how Kawhi, coming off an NBA Finals and possibly a championship, comes here to play for this media and this city. He's probably one of the most anti-NYC athletes.

[DaGawd]

the plan slightly changes but I still think you can sign KD and rebuild. Instead of using the other 30+ million to either sign a 2nd star or trade all our assets for AD. You sign KD and use the remaining cap space to take on a couple bad 1 year contracts and add more future picks.

There are absolutely no FA worth signing in 2020 which is why I have no issues signing KD now and letting him miss the season because we would continue our rebuild and then possibly go into 2020 with a rehabbed KD and even more assets and youth (maybe even AD comes as a FA now) because we have the space.

Then you trade for a 3rd star with the additional assets and have.

KD free agent in 2019
AD free agent in 2020
All our youth and picks to trade for a 3rd star if we need to.
+ most likely another high lottery pick

Just the Knicks history of signing/acquiring stars when it's too late makes me not want KD at all now if he did fully tear his achilles. I don't have faith that he'll come back the same player in that instance

[dakomish23]

As of now, I’m still leaning towards giving him the max. The reward outweighs the risk.

But you’re punting two years. Not sure this organization has this level of patience for such a small possibility that he comes back at least 80-90%.

[newyorker4ever]

If you insult KD with a contract like this, he won't come. Plenty of other teams will guarantee his contract like nothing happened. And so will James Dolan

Bobby Marks was on Get Up and said he already spoke to 3 teams that all said they'd still have no problem giving KD a max contract offer. He didn't specify which teams but KD will still have plenty of options and wouldn't doubt if a max offer from the Knicks is one of them.

How reliable is Bobby Marks?

I'm guessing those 3 teams are:

Knicks, Nets, Clippers.

I don't see the Lakers. Pairing an older LeBron with an injured Durant is too risky. Dallas will have to offer KP a contract. Kings aren't worth mentioning.

I don't think KD ever had any plans of going to the Lakers and vice versa that they weren't going after him. The Lakers #1 priority is AD and then Kawhi or i could say they probably want both. I would absolutely love for us to get A.Davis and Kawhi and even said like a week ago that i'd much rather have Kemba, Kawhi, AD over Kyrie, KD, AD.

I like the guys that stay away from all the drama on and off the court which Kyrie and KD don't do but Kemba, Kawhi and AD just wanna play basketball and don't care about all the drama with the media and everything else.

[2010]

Or if you’re a real Knicks fan you can remember that signing players who have experienced devastating injuries in the past has never worked for the franchise and to stop making the same stupid decisions over and over again.

Rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Achilles Tear Durant

Explain to me how rooting for the Raptors to prevail would help our offseason.

It doesn’t at all I’m still stuck on how you plan to rebuild when the draft lottery is the way it is now

Silver has won. Tanking is meritless now. You play to win and if you just halfway suck you can still dart up into the top 4.

Knicks know this. Sign KD. Sign Kawhi. Worst case through load management or a by chance injury to Kawhi you could still end up out of the playoffs and fk around and still get Wiseman.

I am unbothered. The plan continues...

[Thugger HBC]

How can anyone really want to Max out a player with an injury that changes nearly everyone who has had it?

Easy pass. Very easy.

[F N 11]

The only free agent I want is Randle. 24 years old and is improving every year.

Watch on YouTube

He'd be a great piece at PF next to M.Robinson and can also play center to take some pressure off of M.Rob who i'm not sure is ready for a full time roll yet.

Would you give him his max? bc thats what he wants.