Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[thebuzzardman]

Rozier? D-Lo? Nah I’m good

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This...

People have this idea that DSjr won’t make a big leap. Not sure why.

Ima just say it. A lot of the DSJ hate comes from the Frank stans. Not sure why people can’t like both. Whatever. Ima just let my guy prove them wrong next season. He’s putting in the work. It’s gonna pay off

I'm pretty sure the DLo stans hate both DSJr AND Frank, if that makes you feel any better.

[Knicksrule2k4]

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[Sprewell_8]

I'll say this - if it's happening, KD commits Sunday night-Monday morning. Then we rolling to the Kawhi meeting with something to sell other than market. If KD will drag his desicion well into the week it'll probably be somewhere else (with or without Kawhi). So at least we won't have to wait much to find out where this is going imo.

[HerSports85]

It’s funny. Out of all the free agents, Kawhi might be the only one willing to wait a year. He just won a ring (nothing to prove), plus to can continue rehabbing with his NY doctors to get 100%

[GatorShea]

I'd like to think Frank and other average young players have room to improve and will. However, these players usually just are who they are and don't suddenly become stars in the NBA.

[DowNY]

That Fiz charm bout to come out of left like a Mortal Kombat fatality.

[malik959]

Ok. Let's take it further. I haven't seen a PF REMOTELY close to what Randle does, on the Knicks, for a while. No, Noah Vonleh didn't and doesn't count. Right now, there is exactly ZERO PF's on the roster. Extending your logic, the Knicks should:

Max DLo
Max Randle

And call it a day.

And btw, again, the analogy for THJr is still on, because it's about paying a guy above his current value.

It's hilarious various people complain about the Knicks and their lack of fiscal restraint etc over the years, and the first moment FA hits and there's a whiff of disappointment, they want to throw the whole bag at two players who've been ok, then had ONE good year each.

This isn't minimizing or putting the players down. It's just I thought the smart teams saved the max money for the truly maximum guys and if not, rolled things over. And by maximum players, I'm saying HEALTHY KD or Kawhi, Kyrie, MAYBE Butler.

But since DLo is all that max salary wise, lets just throw the whole bag at Tobias Harris too.

He's still young. Only 4 years older than DLo. Also a PF. Position of need. At a position the Knicks "have no one truly qualified at".

And honestly, there are worse things the Knicks could do than going DLo\Randle or DLo\T Harris. Especially Harris, who at least put up 20ppg or close 2 or 3 seasons

The thing about THJ is that he is just a scorer and that's all, nothing else. On top of that he was not smart at what he does best and was inefficient as a #1. As a #3 with a smaller contract nobody here would really complain.

Both DLo and Randal bring more to the table. Both are great willing passers and neither are black holes on defense. May not be the best in team defense but can hold their own one on one. Randle is a great rebounder and can also push the ball up court like a guard. DLo is already an All Star level guard and is only getting better while Randle has also showed improvement. They're both still under 25 so getting them in our time line is perfect. Great plan B if we strike out.

Yes, of course both are better. It's really about risk. It could be a
a) great plan B
b)an ok plan B or
c)plan B with side order of regret

We can say the same about KD, he could be
A) great plan A
B) an ok plan B (Tobias Harris on super max)
C) "Oh soooooo we suck again!!!!" (STAT part 2)

[mpharris36]

That Fiz charm bout to come out of left like a Mortal Kombat fatality.

this is why we paid him the big bucks

[thebuzzardman]

Just imagine Frank, Kawhi and Mitch together.... does the other team score 75?

You're way too high on Frank's defense

You're way too high if you think his defense isn't good

[Richard4444]

No Rozier. No DLO

Just keep the space for 2021 summer if we aren’t getting KD, KI, or KL

It will be very hard to roll over the cap space until 2021. We have new contracts of Dotson, Trier, Ignas and Rookie FRP 2020. Besides cap holds of Dennis, Frank, Rookie FRP 2021 Knicks and Rookie FRP 2021 Dallas.

[Context]

You trade them Knox, DSJ and multiple first round picks, maybe more. It's actually quite simple, makes a lot of sense and I think we could have already dealt for Beal in order to get AD some weeks ago. We should look at Jrue holiday too. It could be done. You then sign cheap players to fill out the roster, say, Vince Carter.

I need to find my post on how that raptor team was underrated- I don't feel like putting it together again- i knew I should have bookmarked it
who will be our:
Gasol
vanfleet
D.Green
Lowry
Siakam
ibaka
to go with Kawhi?

Lets assume the run happens in year two...

In year two that's easy, we're easily deeper and better then:

Gasol - Mitch

check!
VanVleet -

Beal or Jrue Holiday

negatory we cant get them...
Green -

Frank+Dotson

negatory- dont discount the experience and %
Lowry -

Durant

check! and much more!
Siakam -

RJ

interesting- i believe in the kid-so ill agree...
Ibaka -

who cares?

no...no...no...no-super underrated- go look at his defensive accomplishments..
we need someone that can play at the level he played at "S2K" ...

the wizards are **** bad move IMO-to trade him now...dont see it happening...

[newyorker4ever]

So when Gallo gets traded how mad can we get ? Lol

Don't know about mad but definitely will be worry because they have Jerry West and Doc Rivers in their meeting and Jerry West is the absolutely best at his job and always has been so you gotta worry about that. I wonder if we'll find out in what order the teams got their meetings. We know Toronto is last which is good for them.

[thebuzzardman]

Just imagine Frank, Kawhi and Mitch together.... does the other team score 75?

We wouldn't either. You surround Kawhi with threats that can also defend.

Or, like, bring Frank in off the bench when the Knicks really want to shut a team down for 4 minutes.

He doesn't have to start.

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[DowNY]

That’s a bad look Kemba. I get he felt disrespected by the Hornets offer and got on his Cousins ish but the Celtics? Really?

[Sprewell_8]

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Doesn't smells like there was tampering at all. Just stright bussiness following the rules. Silver can keep sleepwalk and focus on the real issues such as the "O word" and more women refs.

[thebuzzardman]

DSJ
RJ
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

DLo
RJ
Knox
Randle
Mitch

Blueprint

Hard pass

THESE YOUNG GUYS ARE AWESOME

[spree2kawhi]

You trade them Knox, DSJ and multiple first round picks, maybe more. It's actually quite simple, makes a lot of sense and I think we could have already dealt for Beal in order to get AD some weeks ago. We should look at Jrue holiday too. It could be done. You then sign cheap players to fill out the roster, say, Vince Carter.

I need to find my post on how that raptor team was underrated- I don't feel like putting it together again- i knew I should have bookmarked it
who will be our:
Gasol
vanfleet
D.Green
Lowry
Siakam
ibaka
to go with Kawhi?

Lets assume the run happens in year two...

In year two that's easy, we're easily deeper and better then:

Gasol - Mitch

check!
VanVleet -

Beal or Jrue Holiday

negatory we cant get them...
Green -

Frank+Dotson

negatory- dont discount the experience and %
Lowry -

Durant

check! and much more!
Siakam -

RJ

interesting- i believe in the kid-so ill agree...
Ibaka -

who cares?

no...no...no...no-super underrated- go look at his defensive accomplishments..
we need someone that can play at the level he played at "S2K" ...

the wizards are **** bad move IMO-to trade him now...dont see it happening...

I'm sure you'll remember my words if such a deal is in place (and I think it might be because we clearly have enough assets), kai will come here even with an injured Durant. If no such deal is there, we're still a deep team with Kawhi, but he might not come. If you have Durant AND Beal, no one cares about Ibaka anymore.

[taj2133]

My personal take his this i doubt kawhi comes to nyc i think he going to the clippers and all this kawi and durant teaming up is bunch of fake news. I think durant is going to chose one new york teams either the knicks or nets. Also durant has sold his california houses in los angles just this week doesn't seem like person going to los Angles if you sold 2 of your house over there. I can't wait until tomorrow at 6 pm when part of this chit will be figured out and we will know which insider is full of bull chit.

[Richard4444]

I really wonder if the reason we didn’t trade Frank (other than not getting a great deal for him) was because they envisioned a defensive team with Kawhi, Frank, Mitch & KD...could be a reach but I just wonder.

We didnt deal Frank because the offers werent good and we are not sure if we would need the cap space.