Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[aq_ua]

Well, if it comes up during debates, Trump told the Chinese to go ahead and build the concentration camps for the Uighurs.

But, the version the right want to discuss is trade wars over IP violations and the manufacturing of a virus. Human rights and the freedom of HK is not on their playlist.

The Chinese government sucks. They are genocidal and want to rule the world, none of which I dispute, but only a fool or a cult member would believe Trump is handling China.

Wait until we find out from his tax records which of Trump's loans came from a Chinese bank. I've seen rumors he owes them around 200 Million.

Ivanka even got a Chinese patent on a voting machine she wants to build and install in America.

And Trump shipping PPE in great quantities to China just as our pandemic took off is something I'd like Biden to ask about.

Nothing about Trump and China suggests to me he is actually their foe. Anyone who falls for that is a sucker.

I think Biden needs to have a stronger stance on China or at least show it off more. So I think he needs to bring it up if possible. Be a little more aggressive on the subject.

I'm afraid DNC is falling into Trump's trap here.

Will Trump's tax records be released before November?

I won't venture an opinion on whether they are failing to address it since I believe a lot of these sort of flash points will come out in the debates. Right or wrong, Biden's team probably is waiting until then to flesh out these narratives and shoot down Trump's version

and, on the whole, with arrests and indictments flowing, this strategy has been golden. Let Trump set himself on fire and then turn it against him when it is time to debate

Per tax records, BIG BIG day today

Read on Twitter

On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero threw out President Donald Trump’s challenge to a subpoena seeking his tax returns, a decision that all but guarantees a New York grand jury access to these documents in the near future. Trump will fight Thursday’s order, but he has run out of options: The Supreme Court already rejected his sweeping claims on immunity, then gave Marrero a road map that led ineluctably to a decision against the president. And soon, at long last, New York prosecutors will obtain the tax returns that he has fought so long to conceal.

it fell off the front page today because of convention, Bannon being arrested, etc., but it is catastrophic for Trump.

timing wise, Trump is out of options. He'll file one more appeal and based on the speed of recent court decisions, it will be rejected quickly, so Mazars accounting firm will give up 8 years of Trump's taxes to the NY Grand Jury this month or next

What is publicly revealed between now and Nov. 3 is unclear, but what is now possible if NY wants to move on Trump is they'll have what they need. The Grand Jury has been running a long time so they have their ducks in a row and this is the final piece presumably

My guess is either (a) indictment is handed down before election day or (b) leaks come out, but full contents of taxes may take longer to be revealed if they are later shared publicly during trial. But an indictment is enough to reveal the scope of Trump's guilt, because unless you're a cult member you'll know every charge is already proven. And that will be very damaging

Hmm, does this mean that unless Trump is overwhelmingly convinced he will win re-election, his best move is to step down before the election with a wink wink nod nod deal that Pence will pardon him?

[Clyde_Style]

I think Biden needs to have a stronger stance on China or at least show it off more. So I think he needs to bring it up if possible. Be a little more aggressive on the subject.

I'm afraid DNC is falling into Trump's trap here.

Will Trump's tax records be released before November?

I won't venture an opinion on whether they are failing to address it since I believe a lot of these sort of flash points will come out in the debates. Right or wrong, Biden's team probably is waiting until then to flesh out these narratives and shoot down Trump's version

and, on the whole, with arrests and indictments flowing, this strategy has been golden. Let Trump set himself on fire and then turn it against him when it is time to debate

Per tax records, BIG BIG day today

Read on Twitter

On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero threw out President Donald Trump’s challenge to a subpoena seeking his tax returns, a decision that all but guarantees a New York grand jury access to these documents in the near future. Trump will fight Thursday’s order, but he has run out of options: The Supreme Court already rejected his sweeping claims on immunity, then gave Marrero a road map that led ineluctably to a decision against the president. And soon, at long last, New York prosecutors will obtain the tax returns that he has fought so long to conceal.

it fell off the front page today because of convention, Bannon being arrested, etc., but it is catastrophic for Trump.

timing wise, Trump is out of options. He'll file one more appeal and based on the speed of recent court decisions, it will be rejected quickly, so Mazars accounting firm will give up 8 years of Trump's taxes to the NY Grand Jury this month or next

What is publicly revealed between now and Nov. 3 is unclear, but what is now possible if NY wants to move on Trump is they'll have what they need. The Grand Jury has been running a long time so they have their ducks in a row and this is the final piece presumably

My guess is either (a) indictment is handed down before election day or (b) leaks come out, but full contents of taxes may take longer to be revealed if they are later shared publicly during trial. But an indictment is enough to reveal the scope of Trump's guilt, because unless you're a cult member you'll know every charge is already proven. And that will be very damaging

Hmm, does this mean that unless Trump is overwhelmingly convinced he will win re-election, his best move is to step down before the election with a wink wink nod nod deal that Pence will pardon him?

Pence may not play along though, because pardons are not typically issued to co-conspirators and only Pence can decide what his odds are of escaping the consequences and scrutiny the pardon would bring.

For example, Pence ran the transition team when Trump was elected. He knew about the Russian collusion. He has been busted lying about Mike Flynn who was a Russian stooge. A lot has happened under Pence's immediate supervision that is just as problematic for Pence as it is for Trump.

At this point, Pence is hoping he can slink away in January and escape future investigations and prosecutions. A pardon will focus the target directly on him, so my guess is this is why he'll refuse to play ball. And knowing what he does, he may have wanted to avoid taking over for Trump via the invocation of the 25th Amendment even if the cabinet felt it was the right action to take. Trump replaced some of the early cabinet members with bigger flunkies to circumvent this, but I think Pence is more or less trying to keep his head down and get out of DC on January 21st unscathed.

Aside from that conjecture, yes, the only way Trump can avoid prison time is to cut a deal to leave the WH that waives future indictments. I don't think New York cares though. Even with a pardon, Trump is screwed on the state level even if he eludes federal prosecution.

[Pointgod]

Full Biden Speech. Everyone should watch it and stop talking out of your ****:

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

Full Biden Speech. Everyone should watch it and stop talking out of your ****:

Watch on YouTube

It was a home run. It was an amazingly effective speech perfectly pitched to reach the hearts of people in this moment in time. I'm proud to vote for Biden. He delivered leadership and vision and hope which is what he needed to do to show anyone and everyone there is only one choice for this nation.

I choked up pretty strongly when he spoke about meeting George Floyd's daughter. It was powerful and authentic.

[BallSacBounce]

And then he did absolutely nothing to address them. Trump is simply a fraudster of the highest order. Not only is he a sociopath, he’s also not very knowledgeable about anything other than how to swindle people. Trump always was way in over his head. Obama did get that part right in his speech.

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

I've named plenty of things he's done, read back and dont be a pest

[lloydj]

Next up Donald Jebediah Trump.

[Pointgod]

He's doing everything he said he would and we love him for it.

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

I've named plenty of things he's done, read back and dont be a pest

Trade deal and nothing else?

[NowWHYcee7]

And yet, she has a net positive favorable.

It's almost like you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why couldn’t she win her own state? She wasn’t favorable enough for the people directly under her but you are here yapping about “favorability.”

I’ll tell you why she lost her own state and had to drop out of the primary....because her constituents know she is a phony. They are familiar with her record and what she stands for. And as we get closer to the general, more Democrats will be too. Doesn’t mean they will vote for trump, but they damn sure won’t be excited to vote for Biden and Kamala. Sound familiar?

You realize that she dropped out way before California? If you're going to state bull, at least do enough research to make it believable

Would she have dropped out if she was in a position to win?

All it took was Tulsi Gabbard to call her out on her record in a debate one night for her to plummet. What do you think is going to happen when her record is put on blast night in and night out heading towards the general?

[Pointgod]

Full Biden Speech. Everyone should watch it and stop talking out of your ****:

Watch on YouTube

It was a home run. It was an amazingly effective speech perfectly pitched to reach the hearts of people in this moment in time. I'm proud to vote for Biden. He delivered leadership and vision and hope which is what he needed to do to show anyone and everyone there is only one choice for this nation.

I choked up pretty strongly when he spoke about meeting George Floyd's daughter. It was powerful and authentic.

And now the RNC is up next. The DNC and Biden’s acceptance speech will be a stark contrast to the doom and gloom from Trump. He’ll play all the old hits, the country is going to hell, Democrats are ruining the suburbs, he’ll tout the stock market as the economy, and he’ll lie, lie and lie some more.

Two things that will stand out. He won’t layout a plan or policies for the next 4 years. And he’ll barely talk about the 170000 dead from the coronavirus because he literally doesn’t care. Biden was able to connect with people on his personal loss, but Trump who’s brother passed away just last week won’t bother to empathize with the lives lost and their families. Amazing that people will see a sociopath standing in front of them and think “yeah he’ll do”.

[Pointgod]

Why couldn’t she win her own state? She wasn’t favorable enough for the people directly under her but you are here yapping about “favorability.”

I’ll tell you why she lost her own state and had to drop out of the primary....because her constituents know she is a phony. They are familiar with her record and what she stands for. And as we get closer to the general, more Democrats will be too. Doesn’t mean they will vote for trump, but they damn sure won’t be excited to vote for Biden and Kamala. Sound familiar?

You realize that she dropped out way before California? If you're going to state bull, at least do enough research to make it believable

Would she have dropped out if she was in a position to win?

All it took was Tulsi Gabbard to call her out on her record in a debate one night for her to plummet. What do you think is going to happen when her record is put on blast night in and night out heading towards the general?

That makes no sense. She dropped out because she ran out of money. And I’ve already shown that Tulsi’s attack on her was purposely misleading. I can dig up the post for you and repost it if you like.

[Stannis]

More than 70 Republican former national security officials come out in support of Biden

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/70-republican-national-security-officials-support-biden/story?id=72501455&cid=social_twitter_abcn

[rammagen]

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

I've named plenty of things he's done, read back and dont be a pest

Trade deal and nothing else?

let me correct you again
you mean the poor trade deal from teh deal maker businessman who drove a casino out of business, who lied and cheated people in college scam, lets start
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-18/trump-says-he-delayed-china-trade-talks-faults-beijing-on-virus
this deal was average at best and not worth the billions bail outs to farmers which is now added to a sky rocketing deficit and debt
Nafta 2.0
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nafta-2-new-trade-agreement-usmca/

then we can go one about the 20k plus lies the 178k dead from covid 19, the lies about golfing the tax beaks that gave the upper 2% a break while the middle class carries the burden. but dont let facts stand in the way of your support of liar whose staff colluded with Russia to get the presidency who broke the law to get tow wiki leaks, the wall mexico never would pay for who played on racist stereotypes to scare white america which now quickly coming to be the minority in the US.

To me that is the sticking point he played white america as fools pretending to have values to get the christian vote when he obviously does not. He lies cheats on his wife insults people broke the law oh and we are still waiting on his tax returns aren't we.

So in fact this man has not done anything of note in the past 4 yrs to make america even better never mind great.
What made America great is it's diversity and the ability for the people to come and unite and he drove a wedge so deep and separated people that it will take yrs to overcome that. But you support him for some reason.

If you consider yourself to have christian moral or morals of any kind or a religious faith of any kind how do you support a man that is the antipathy of what you said you believe in as a person, when did you get up and say it is ok to lie cheat and steal drive a wedge into America so the upper 2 % can get richer while idiots who pay higher medical bills for less service support him. What is the fear you/trump supporters have that is so deep seated that you support a racist liar who cheated on his wife. Trump supporters gave up any right to have any moral say any in anything the minute they put on a maga hat. Because America was never not great till trump came into office

[Oscirus]

Why couldn’t she win her own state? She wasn’t favorable enough for the people directly under her but you are here yapping about “favorability.”

I’ll tell you why she lost her own state and had to drop out of the primary....because her constituents know she is a phony. They are familiar with her record and what she stands for. And as we get closer to the general, more Democrats will be too. Doesn’t mean they will vote for trump, but they damn sure won’t be excited to vote for Biden and Kamala. Sound familiar?

You realize that she dropped out way before California? If you're going to state bull, at least do enough research to make it believable

Would she have dropped out if she was in a position to win?

All it took was Tulsi Gabbard to call her out on her record in a debate one night for her to plummet. What do you think is going to happen when her record is put on blast night in and night out heading towards the general?

Her winning the primaries does not equal her winning her home state. All we know for sure is she wasnt winning the primaries. As for the tulsi stuff, that's white noise that made Tulsi look good for that debate and not much else. Perhaps good practice for when Pence tries it.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

I've named plenty of things he's done, read back and dont be a pest

Trade deal and nothing else?

There was also the huge Trump tax cut for the rich.

[BallSacBounce]

Yet you can’t name anything he’s done. Smells like bull.

I've named plenty of things he's done, read back and dont be a pest

Trade deal and nothing else?

Lowest levels ever for Black and Hispanic unemployment.

Confronting and dealing with China/Tariffs NAFTA and Europe is next to bring back manufacturing.

Building the wall with workaround funds because Congress won't give him the money. They'd prefer the cheap labor continue.

Historic number of judicial appointments.

Shutting off travel with China over Civud-19 when he was advised by Fauci not to. Pelosi was busy showboating around Chinatownin San Francisco saying all was fine and Trump was just being racist at the time.

Criminal Justice Reform.

Israel-UAE agreement.

Superchargung the economy with the above tariffs, trade deals and drastically reducing business regulations.

Here is a whole list of stuff, you'll have to hold your nose and go to Breitbart to read it.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/13/exclusive-trump-accomplishments-list-president-provides-six-page-document-detailing-successes-of-administration/

[Stannis]

So, as it turns out, AOC was never invited by the DNC to speak at the Convention. Period. Bernie asked her to endorse him as a perfunctory procedure for him to claim his delegates.

Disgraceful.

Watch on YouTube

And AOC just called out Pelosi.

Watch on YouTube

If she wasnt invited they couldve told Bernie to get another speaker. Should there have been more progressives? sure, but no need to play the word games.

AOC been called out Pelosi, Pelosi's a clown and everybody knows that. But cant call them out when yall were still do what she complained about in spite of her complaints.

I don't think everybody knows Pelosi's a clown. If they did, she wouldn't be featured so much. She's a hero of the DNC.

[Stannis]

Trump says he'll send police to polling stations to monitor voter fraud:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-2020-election-police-polling-station-fox-news-voter-fraud-a9681651.html

Thoughts?

Wonder how this will turn out. As if voting isn't already a chore. There's laws in place where police can't question and intimidate voters, but how else would they monitor and prevent "fraud"? What will they accomplish that a video camera could not?

[Stannis]

Looks like Trump's approval rating is at 51%, which is 2% higher at this point during Obama's 2nd term:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_aug21

Also, apparently the convention had 48% less viewers than it did in 2016??

[robillionaire]

Looks like Trump's approval rating is at 51%, which is 2% higher at this point during Obama's 2nd term:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_aug21

Also, apparently the convention had 48% less viewers than it did in 2016??

yeah but that's Rasmussen, they are a republican pollster

[BKlutch]

Who's saying that?

Point is, you cant kill and ruin countless of innocent lives and say you treat them with respect

Neither will bombing the hell out of a country. I always thought that was the GOPs' way of doing things until Obama.

I think the problem is that you’re looking at it as a binary choice when it’s a choice between multiple **** options.

Thanks for linking those articles they’re really good. So what do you believe are possible solutions or alternatives to the drone strikes?

Same question I ask about intervening in countries like Libya and Syria. What’s a better way to address dictators because I don’t agree letting civilians die but intervention also has its costs.

Use diplomatic means to address the issue. Did I just blow your mind?

Wingo, as much as I prefer diplomatic solutions to everything, they haven't been effective in the Middle East, especially. Sometimes things need to be addressed more quickly.