Breaking: KAT to the Knicks

[god shammgod]

That’s why I’m surprised the board isn’t as apprehensive about this move as I am. We went from having a 9 man playoff rotation down to a 7. Maybe 8, if you think precious or Payne will be able to play. Kat and OG have missed a ton of games and our bench cavalry is washed Mook and a never good Shamet. We almost need to start Precious next to Kat to have our rotations make more sense.

Bench line up is probably Payne, deuce, hart, Mikal, sims? I like Deuce, a lot but going from 8th man to 6th man is a lot of added expectations and responsibility for him. Especially since he’s now expect to replace what Donte would have gave them off the bench. I’ve doubted him before and he's just kept developing. So maybe he’ll just rise to the occasion.

All we did was lose Donte and we replaced Randle with KAT so our rotation shouldn't have gone down from 9 to 7. It depends on how you look at it. Mitch was still injured regardless so we were also going to start Randle with Precious or Jericho before the trade and I still envision Thibs doing that actually. Just because KAT is a better small ball 5 than Randle is doesn't necessarily mean we'll start him there

THIS!!

We replaced 3-time All-Star Julius Randle (who we were at risk of losing for nothing) with FOUR-time All-Star and legit franchise star Karl-Anthony Towns. We replaced DDV with All-Defensive first team player Mikal Bridges. Yet, fans are having a hard time seeing this as an improvement???

Only a few days ago, we were here discussing playing Julius at the 5 or potentially having to start Sims due to Mitch being out. That experiment was NEVER going to work but now, that problem is solved. Also, why is everyone so sure Hart will start? Hart, Deuce, and Mitch (once he returns) could STILL come off the bench just like last season. We may also have one more trick up our sleeve to finish off the roster.

So, the complaints that we're worse now than before are just plain nonsense. Unless you seriously believed we were a legit championship team with Julius and Sims at the 5.

this man could never carry a team anywhere...legit franchise player ? what the f*ck ?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT averages 19 ppg on 47/35 splits in the playoffs. Be **** serious.

You were fine with playing 5 out with a guy averaging 17ppg on 34/28 in the playoffs and you're telling me to be serious? We're capped out, and Randle was due an extension.


Also, it's not just about KATs averages, it's about the impact he'll have on our spacing.

We aren't a 5 out team at all. You guys said we need to play 5 out now you're pretending I said it we were the strongest interior team in the league for 4 years why the **** are we becoming a team of soft sissies and building the team culture off a career loser like KAT? Same **** that hated Thibs because Thibs tried to make him play hard while he wanted to walk with a switch and squeak while he talked.

Damn bro, you really don't like KAT, I respect the hate but you're gonna look silly when KAT is out there prancing around dropping efficient games left and right while Brunson break dances his way through the lane cause there's no clutter from all the tough juice construction workers looking for rebounds. I hope you go to a game and he blows a kiss to the section you're sitting in, just for extra soft points.

[E-Balla]

Vegas has us as the 3rd best odds to win the entire thing! 3rd best!

Why all the doom and gloom???

Vegas loved KD and Kyrie to Brooklyn too. Vegas doesn't know ball, I do, so yes I'll be gloomy because I know basketball enough to know we **** up. Like bad. This is one of the worst trades we've ever made.

True but if Kyrie doesn't go down and KDs foot isn't in the 3pt line they probably have a championship.

Kyrie is always hurt. Anyone with a brain should've foreseen him getting hurt. I specifically said Kyrie and KD wouldn't work because one was coming off an Achilles and the other played 60 games a season.

[Capn'O]

I kept saying all summer long that even though I’m not the biggest Mitch fan, you need him 200% if KAT is here. KAT’s defense at C is disastrous.

That was funny to me. Sham hasn't mentioned him by name yet but by omission he's also forced to acknowledge ihart's value.

KAT isn't Bargs but he's also not KP, who is an excellent defender. Thibs has his work cut out.

KAT is in the lowest tiers of defenders when it comes to anchoring a defense. It’s not gonna work at all unless we have a healthy Mitch next to him.

Which is why I got BLopez.

[ctorres]

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[KnixinSix]

you know damn well every team is just gonna dare josh hart to shoot anyway and play off him......and that works more than it doesn't. won't be no 5 out.

Joshua won't always be out on the court.

Randle is a flawed star and KAT is a flawed star.

They arent top 5 in the NBA players. Anyone outside the top 5-7 has some warts

KAT in theory is the better fitting player in our system and he is under contract for 4 more years vs Randle only 1 more year.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That was funny to me. Sham hasn't mentioned him by name yet but by omission he's also forced to acknowledge ihart's value.

KAT isn't Bargs but he's also not KP, who is an excellent defender. Thibs has his work cut out.

KAT is in the lowest tiers of defenders when it comes to anchoring a defense. It’s not gonna work at all unless we have a healthy Mitch next to him.

Which is why I got BLopez.

Wolves were 13th defensively the year before they got Gobert, we'll be top 10 with him and the wings helping out.


The Nuggets won the the title as 5th offense and 15th defense.

[Guano]

I am curious to find out what draft compensation we are sending to Charlotte for taking on salary.

Is there details of the full trade yet?

I miss woj

[bronxknicksfan1]

Crashing out over getting KAT > Julius Randle is not something I expected from this board

[Knick4Real]

All we did was lose Donte and we replaced Randle with KAT so our rotation shouldn't have gone down from 9 to 7. It depends on how you look at it. Mitch was still injured regardless so we were also going to start Randle with Precious or Jericho before the trade and I still envision Thibs doing that actually. Just because KAT is a better small ball 5 than Randle is doesn't necessarily mean we'll start him there

THIS!!

We replaced 3-time All-Star Julius Randle (who we were at risk of losing for nothing) with FOUR-time All-Star and legit franchise star Karl-Anthony Towns. We replaced DDV with All-Defensive first team player Mikal Bridges. Yet, fans are having a hard time seeing this as an improvement???

Only a few days ago, we were here discussing playing Julius at the 5 or potentially having to start Sims due to Mitch being out. That experiment was NEVER going to work but now, that problem is solved. Also, why is everyone so sure Hart will start? Hart, Deuce, and Mitch (once he returns) could STILL come off the bench just like last season. We may also have one more trick up our sleeve to finish off the roster.

So, the complaints that we're worse now than before are just plain nonsense. Unless you seriously believed we were a legit championship team with Julius and Sims at the 5.

this man could never carry a team anywhere...legit franchise player ? what the f*ck ?

I didn't call him a "champion" because he hasn't won anything yet. Although, by comparison, neither has Brunson. However, he is widely considered around the league as a "franchise" player. He's a certain upgrade over anyone we had available to play the 5 and, from a "basketball is a business" perspective, Dolan will love him because he'll sell tickets.

[aggo]

Crashing out over getting KAT > Julius Randle is not something I expected from this board

wait until we trade mitch

[bronxknicksfan1]

Crashing out over getting KAT > Julius Randle is not something I expected from this board

wait until we trade mitch

I might crash out if that happens

[E-Balla]

We haven't even played a game yet and you're implying that we'll be ineffective in 5 out In no world is a guy that shot 31% from three and demands the ball as much as Randle going to lead to an elite 5 out offense.

You're actually slow. WHY THE **** IS A TEAM PLAYING JOSH HART 48 MINUTES A GAME EVEN ATTEMPTING TO PLAY 5 OUT! THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE GOOD AT OR WHAT WE ARE BUILT FOR! WE ARE THE STRONGEST INTERIOR TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WHY ARE WE TRYING TO BE A WORSE VERSION OF THE CELTICS?

What flexibility? Randle & Mikal are due extensions, we were going to be over the cap no matter what we do. Do you think we'd have $40 million in space to go out and sign somebody if we kept Randle?

Who said anything about keeping Randle or signing somebody? Are you illiterate?

We have $120 million tied up in 4 players right now even before Bridges gets his extension which will kick that up to $160 million. You don't get that we had no other avenues, there are no other big names on the market, there are no free agents, Bridges and KAT are it.

KAT isn't an improvement. We got worse (because we lost Donte and our only bench scorer), lost cap flexibility, and gave up a 1st round pick to do it.

I do think we have improved, for playoff basketball.

Well yes, because you don't watch basketball. This is a you issue.

Our half court offense has been trash in the playoffs, because it relies on junk offense, such as putbacks which really just means you're missing a lot. The second somebody could stop us from getting offensive rebounds our offense fell apart, this move for KAT is to make sure Brunson and Bridges have room to operate and the ball is in Brunsons hands as much as possible.

KAT going 3/19 from deep while we get booted out of the first round because he can't help Brunson while he's getting blown by for easy layups is going to be the ugliest thing I've seen in a while.

[bronxknicksfan1]

KAT going back to his 25/12 60% TS days will have this board forgetting about Randle in no time. Can’t wait

[mpharris36]

Vegas loved KD and Kyrie to Brooklyn too. Vegas doesn't know ball, I do, so yes I'll be gloomy because I know basketball enough to know we **** up. Like bad. This is one of the worst trades we've ever made.

True but if Kyrie doesn't go down and KDs foot isn't in the 3pt line they probably have a championship.

Kyrie is always hurt. Anyone with a brain should've foreseen him getting hurt. I specifically said Kyrie and KD wouldn't work because one was coming off an Achilles and the other played 60 games a season.

All that is true. But I don't see the connection. We are a better well rounded team than the nets.

[aggo]

You're actually slow. WHY THE **** IS A TEAM PLAYING JOSH HART 48 MINUTES A GAME EVEN ATTEMPTING TO PLAY 5 OUT! THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE GOOD AT OR WHAT WE ARE BUILT FOR! WE ARE THE STRONGEST INTERIOR TEAM IN THE LEAGUE WHY ARE WE TRYING TO BE A WORSE VERSION OF THE CELTICS?

cause the guy we depend on to be the "strongest" interior player is a DNP for playoff games and averages a career 45% TS in the playoffs.

and his style of play is garbage for the playoffs when there are less whistles to get free points at the line.

[Im Coming Home]

Randle makes less than half of what KAT makes what a **** comparison. They're equal, but one guy is making less than half of the other one, hey let's add White Donte and a first! And piss Mitch off!

Randle has an extension coming. He doesn't make less than half but, there is a huge gap. Randle obviously wants to close that gap. Otherwise he would have signed an extension at around 40mil or so to stay here long term.

Donte was replaced with Bridges.

The FRP may never convey but, I'm not so sure about that. We shouldn't have added it honestly. That's a small issue that irks me some. Having that pick convey in a couple years would be golden. I would have preferred sending the WAS pick.

Letting Randle walk after trying this year > taking on the KAT contract.

Then what? Cause we'd still be capped out with no way to improve the team for the remaining 3-4 years of Brunson's prime.

[Knick4Real]

Anyone a bit concerned on how Towns took the trade news? His IG post and then showing up to an event 12 hours later decked out in Wolves gear?! I know its a shock when you get traded but with this dudes history of being soft I'm hoping his emotional state is ready to embrace NY. Last thing we need is a disgruntled star creating drama and locker room tension. This unit has been really gelling last couple of seasons and they don't need that noise right now.

Nope. Not worried at all.

Been on only one team for 8 years...almost made the finals....

He's a human. After he settles in, He will be fine.

No better place to play than NY. Brunson is an amazing leader, and that Garden energy is like a drug for competitive players.

He's also from the area and grew up dreaming of one day playing for the KNICKS. I'm not worried.

[god shammgod]

not even about randle to me. i didn't like him all that much. but maybe something else popped up at the deadline. now we're stuck with kat for years.

[aggo]

stars win games


Julius randle is not a star. if he was one, we would've beaten Miami or indiana.