Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[nykballa2k4]

Kobe Bryant had a 20 year NBA career. 16 of those years Kobe was in the playoffs.

4x he missed the playoffs, with 3 of those seasons being his final 3 years leading to retirement.

1 season of Kobe's prime he missed the playoffs. 1 season....just one.

Ran_le is 30 years old and has been to the playoffs 2x, and proved to be the worst playoff performer in history.

Comparing Ran_le to Kobe is simply unserious.

The worst record a Kobe Bryant team ever had in Kobe's entire career was a 17-win team led by none other than: Julius Ran_le.

Kobe saw that ninja play and said "F#$& this $##&" and immediately retired after that.

Julius Ran_le, torpedoing teams and forcing players into retirement since 1879.

You have missed my point entirely.
My point was that a true great, Kobe, also had bad outcomes with a poor fit around him. Look at how he did the first year after Shaq until Lakers Lakered there way into Pau Gasol.

The comp that has always been there for Randle is Zach Ranolph. Randolph was highly successful with a good team with player around him that complimented what he did well. Marc Gasol was a better player, but also enabled Randolph to be the best version of himself. Randle is much the same. As a #2 to a top star (let's say Shai) or a #3 to a good two-star club (Embiid, Maxey) he would be ideal.

He was obviously great with us last year.

I'm not in this thread for "good faith" arguments about Ran_le. That ship has sailed...I'm here for the slander.

Going back and forth about the Ran_le's coulda shoulda wouldas is just inefficient posting in a thread like this.

Everything you said about him has been said 1000x over the years by many Kendra Standles; layers of excuses.

And Ran_le and Kobe should never be mentioned in the same sentence to make a player comparison for ANY reason...that's just plain basketball heresy......no justifying that.

Fair enough. Glad you are upfront about your (ill)intentions

[Capn'O]

You have missed my point entirely.
My point was that a true great, Kobe, also had bad outcomes with a poor fit around him. Look at how he did the first year after Shaq until Lakers Lakered there way into Pau Gasol.

The comp that has always been there for Randle is Zach Ranolph. Randolph was highly successful with a good team with player around him that complimented what he did well. Marc Gasol was a better player, but also enabled Randolph to be the best version of himself. Randle is much the same. As a #2 to a top star (let's say Shai) or a #3 to a good two-star club (Embiid, Maxey) he would be ideal.

He was obviously great with us last year.

I'm not in this thread for "good faith" arguments about Ran_le. That ship has sailed...I'm here for the slander.

Going back and forth about the Ran_le's coulda shoulda wouldas is just inefficient posting in a thread like this.

Everything you said about him has been said 1000x over the years by many Kendra Standles; layers of excuses.

And Ran_le and Kobe should never be mentioned in the same sentence to make a player comparison for ANY reason...that's just plain basketball heresy......no justifying that.

Fair enough. Glad you are upfront about your (ill)intentions

Sir, this is a Wendys.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm not in this thread for "good faith" arguments about Ran_le. That ship has sailed...I'm here for the slander.

Going back and forth about the Ran_le's coulda shoulda wouldas is just inefficient posting in a thread like this.

Everything you said about him has been said 1000x over the years by many Kendra Standles; layers of excuses.

And Ran_le and Kobe should never be mentioned in the same sentence to make a player comparison for ANY reason...that's just plain basketball heresy......no justifying that.

Fair enough. Glad you are upfront about your (ill)intentions

Sir, this is a Wendys.

Do you want fries with your Ran_le Burger sir?

[ctorres]

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Lowry might have had a Jalen Brunson type of impact with the Knicks. This trade would have happened before Lowry had 6 straight all-star appearances.

G: Kyle Lowry
G: JR Smith
F: Carmelo Anthony
F: A'mare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
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Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni
Tim Hardaway Jr

The entire trajectory of the 2014 season would have changed.

[Chanel Bomber]

Read on Twitter

Lowry might have had a Jalen Brunson type of impact with the Knicks. This trade would have happened before Lowry had 6 straight all-star appearances.

G: Kyle Lowry
G: JR Smith
F: Carmelo Anthony
F: A'mare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
----------------------------
Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni
Tim Hardaway Jr

The entire trajectory of the 2014 season would have changed.

Amar'e returning to the lineup effed us just as much as the Bargnani acquisition. He was a complete liability - he hurt the spacing we had developed the year before, and he was a revolving door on defense.

I think Lowry and Melo would've been a lethal duo. And getting Lowry would've altered the trajectory of the franchise regardless of Melo's injury and subsequent decline.

I always looked at it as huge what if but I think I've tempered this view a bit. I think the combination of Amar'e and Bargnani would've put a ceiling on that team. Their minutes aggressively hurt the team, arguably beyond repair.

[ctorres]

Read on Twitter

Lowry might have had a Jalen Brunson type of impact with the Knicks. This trade would have happened before Lowry had 6 straight all-star appearances.

G: Kyle Lowry
G: JR Smith
F: Carmelo Anthony
F: A'mare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
----------------------------
Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni
Tim Hardaway Jr

The entire trajectory of the 2014 season would have changed.

Amar'e returning to the lineup effed us just as much as the Bargnani acquisition. He was a complete liability - he hurt the spacing we had developed the year before, and he was a revolving door on defense.

I think Lowry and Melo would've been a lethal duo. And getting Lowry would've altered the trajectory of the franchise regardless of Melo's injury and subsequent decline.

I always looked at it as huge what if but I think I've tempered this view a bit. I think the combination of Amar'e and Bargnani would've put a ceiling on that team. Their minutes aggressively hurt the team, arguably beyond repair.

We went 18-6 the last 24 games. It wasn't until that stretch of games that Melo/Stat/Tyson finally figured out how to play together.

Bargnani was out for the 2nd half of the season so he would not have had any impact on the team

Stat still had his jumper, so he could have played a few minutes alongside Tyson, just not a whole lot. He and Tyson would have split the minutes at the 5 and not played together that much.

[Wildcat]

Read on Twitter

Lowry might have had a Jalen Brunson type of impact with the Knicks. This trade would have happened before Lowry had 6 straight all-star appearances.

G: Kyle Lowry
G: JR Smith
F: Carmelo Anthony
F: A'mare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
----------------------------
Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni
Tim Hardaway Jr

The entire trajectory of the 2014 season would have changed.

I vaguely remember the rumor and the deal not happening. I was hype for him at the time.

[3toheadmelo]

Read on Twitter

Lowry might have had a Jalen Brunson type of impact with the Knicks. This trade would have happened before Lowry had 6 straight all-star appearances.

G: Kyle Lowry
G: JR Smith
F: Carmelo Anthony
F: A'mare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
----------------------------
Raymond Felton
Pablo Prigioni
Tim Hardaway Jr

The entire trajectory of the 2014 season would have changed.

Amar'e returning to the lineup effed us just as much as the Bargnani acquisition. He was a complete liability - he hurt the spacing we had developed the year before, and he was a revolving door on defense.

I think Lowry and Melo would've been a lethal duo. And getting Lowry would've altered the trajectory of the franchise regardless of Melo's injury and subsequent decline.

I always looked at it as huge what if but I think I've tempered this view a bit. I think the combination of Amar'e and Bargnani would've put a ceiling on that team. Their minutes aggressively hurt the team, arguably beyond repair.

We went 18-6 the last 24 games. It wasn't until that stretch of games that Melo/Stat/Tyson finally figured out how to play together.

Bargnani was out for the 2nd half of the season so he would not have had any impact on the team

Stat still had his jumper, so he could have played a few minutes alongside Tyson, just not a whole lot. He and Tyson would have split the minutes at the 5 and not played together that much.

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

[ctorres]

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

I think it was two things that prevented the trade from happening

1. Dolan afraid of being fleeced a 2nd time by Masai

2. Phil Jackson telling Dolan not to do the trade

I'm pretty sure the entire front office was pleading with Dolan to do the Lowry deal, but Dolan told the locker room he would not trade anyone that year. I think Beno Udrih was the only one who got traded mid-season.

[3toheadmelo]

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

I think it was two things that prevented the trade from happening

1. Dolan afraid of being fleeced a 2nd time by Masai

2. Phil Jackson telling Dolan not to do the trade

I'm pretty sure the entire front office was pleading with Dolan to do the Lowry deal, but Dolan told the locker room he would not trade anyone that year. I think Beno Udrih was the only one who got traded mid-season.

It was def reason #1. We didn't have Phil jackson yet

On his Knicks Talk podcast, Herring recently said that the Knicks were close to trading for Kyle Lowry when he was on the Toronto Raptors for a deal centered around Iman Shumpert. It ended up not going through because New York's owner, James Dolan, was afraid of getting scammed by Toronto's President of Basketball Operations, Masai Ujiri.

[The KnicksFix]

Can we make Thibs as ex Knick?

[Reign23]

Amar'e returning to the lineup effed us just as much as the Bargnani acquisition. He was a complete liability - he hurt the spacing we had developed the year before, and he was a revolving door on defense.

I think Lowry and Melo would've been a lethal duo. And getting Lowry would've altered the trajectory of the franchise regardless of Melo's injury and subsequent decline.

I always looked at it as huge what if but I think I've tempered this view a bit. I think the combination of Amar'e and Bargnani would've put a ceiling on that team. Their minutes aggressively hurt the team, arguably beyond repair.

We went 18-6 the last 24 games. It wasn't until that stretch of games that Melo/Stat/Tyson finally figured out how to play together.

Bargnani was out for the 2nd half of the season so he would not have had any impact on the team

Stat still had his jumper, so he could have played a few minutes alongside Tyson, just not a whole lot. He and Tyson would have split the minutes at the 5 and not played together that much.

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

I 100% think we would have beaten the #1 seed hawks if we made the playoffs. weird season, but in the end we were playing great basketball. just a little (like a few days) too late.

[Reign23]

incredible performance once again. can someone please save the kid from this craptors team?

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[3toheadmelo]

We went 18-6 the last 24 games. It wasn't until that stretch of games that Melo/Stat/Tyson finally figured out how to play together.

Bargnani was out for the 2nd half of the season so he would not have had any impact on the team

Stat still had his jumper, so he could have played a few minutes alongside Tyson, just not a whole lot. He and Tyson would have split the minutes at the 5 and not played together that much.

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

I 100% think we would have beaten the #1 seed hawks if we made the playoffs. weird season, but in the end we were playing great basketball. just a little (like a few days) too late.

Yeah we definitely could’ve made noise. Everything was gelling finally. It still stings.

Since that season, I’ve always hated Felton for wasting melo’s last year of his prime. #1 most hated ex Knick for me.

[3toheadmelo]

Timberwolves now move to 4-5 without Randle

[Reign23]

I was so mad when we missed the playoffs by 1 game. We were finally playing great basketball to end the season. JR was averaging like 18 PPG, Amare was healthy, and Melo was in his prime.

But missing on Lowry also had me pissed off. I was so hype for Lowry that day, I hopped on 2K and put him on the Knicks roster. Only for the trade to not go down

I 100% think we would have beaten the #1 seed hawks if we made the playoffs. weird season, but in the end we were playing great basketball. just a little (like a few days) too late.

Yeah we definitely could’ve made noise. Everything was gelling finally. It still stings.

Since that season, I’ve always hated Felton for wasting melo’s last year of his prime. #1 most hated ex Knick for me.

Melos stats from this season are insane. 27.4 pts (45/40/85 splits) and 8.1 rpg.

[Reign23]

Timberwolves now move to 4-5 without Randle

their schedule in this stretch is utterly insane play Houston, OKC and Cle every night

[3toheadmelo]

I 100% think we would have beaten the #1 seed hawks if we made the playoffs. weird season, but in the end we were playing great basketball. just a little (like a few days) too late.

Yeah we definitely could’ve made noise. Everything was gelling finally. It still stings.

Since that season, I’ve always hated Felton for wasting melo’s last year of his prime. #1 most hated ex Knick for me.

Melos stats from this season are insane. 27.4 pts (45/40/85 splits) and 8.1 rpg.

Imagine we got Lowry to play with him that year..

[3toheadmelo]

Timberwolves now move to 4-5 without Randle

their schedule in this stretch is utterly insane play Houston, OKC and Cle every night

They also lost to the wizards, bucks, kings without him the reality is that they need him. They were on a 5 game winning streak right when he got hurt.

[Reign23]

Yeah we definitely could’ve made noise. Everything was gelling finally. It still stings.

Since that season, I’ve always hated Felton for wasting melo’s last year of his prime. #1 most hated ex Knick for me.

Melos stats from this season are insane. 27.4 pts (45/40/85 splits) and 8.1 rpg.

Imagine we got Lowry to play with him that year..

I remember that almost deal like it was yesterday. the knicks FO really failed big time after they got Melo in here.