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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1641 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 29, 2025 12:06 am

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Barcs wrote:It doesn't matter who your coach is when your 2 best scorers are complete liabilities on defense and you are surrounded by low basketball IQ players. I used to be annoyed when Thibs didn't want to take time outs when down one possession at the end of a game, but now I'm realizing it's because the players are so mistake prone, they likely won't get the ball in, let alone get a good shot attempt. These guys can't even keep track of the shot clock and commit so many awful fouls.

The problem is the talent, they don't mesh well, especially down the stretch when basically whoever touches the ball first takes the shot. Meanwhile you see Indiana having every player touch the ball on almost every possession. I swear Towns just gets that look in his eye and there could be 4 pacers standing in front of the rim and he'll still go at them. They simply can't work together because of the way the team is assembled. It's a bunch of egos, not a bunch of team first guys.

Josh Hart - All hart, no brains
KAT - a chucker who doesn't play defense and rarely looks to pass, shouldn't be a center
Bridges - Streaky shooter, decent defender, but doesn't seem to fit in and makes many boneheaded mistakes
OG - Elite defender, but seriously needs to stop trying to dribble. Stick to 3 & D
Jalen Brunson - Tries to do too much, doesn't pass enough and can't play defense.
Mitch Robinson - elite defender and rebounder, but can't play offense or even make free throws. Can only be used situationally due to hack-a-mitch

Thibs has to coach around all these personnel issues and I think he's doing great considering what he has to work with, not to mention they still need a good bench scorer to complete the team and have been missing such a piece all season. I also think that Jalen Brunson bailing them out constantly in the clutch masked a lot of the actual problems with this team and make people forget that this teams is absolutely gassed during the last 2 minutes of every single game and it's noticeable with the mistakes they make.


Word? So with all these liabilities, we were up 9 with 50 seconds to go in game 1, but where was our defensive lineup ? What told Thibs to re insert Brunson when he had 5 fouls and 6 minutes to go with us up 16 at the end of that game?

What told Thibs to go into the fourth quarter down 6, call timeout down 12 and come back out of the timeout with the SAME LINEUP WHICH INCLUDED CAM PAYNE.

What told Thibs to not call timeout down 3 at the end of game 2 and we drew up no play other than Brunson chucking up a contested 3, where we had a timeout to use and settle a play.

What told Thibs to go back to play Josh hart 36 minutes when he had 5 turnovers, and mikal who kept bricking shot after shot, yet Delon was on the bench, and deuce who has the highest +/- in the series only played 15 minutes ?

What told Thibs to not develop a bench all year, kolek pac and huk can’t see the light of the court and can’t even make a mistake once because they’re benched for another month.

What are you talking about ?


People sneer- but if you developed Kolek as the 'beautiful basketball' backup, it would be such a refreshing change of pace that we could be employing right now.

Someone who gets shooters shots in rythmn, runs a silky pick and roll, is totally unselfish.

When these guys start flowing, everything unlocks- I think Kolek could have been key to that.

But, no- we get this senile old bum completely fumbling our first chance at the Finals since a friggin' different century.

Blew it.


Yes Thibs gets us to tear our hair out so we look like him! BUT we are in the ECF. This might be his ceiling; I'll go with Leon's take. But he does deserve some props for us even being here after the previous 30 F*Ck*ng years. Gold watch him; kick him upstairs or get him better players and an "offensive co-ordinator" but can't just sh*t on him. :vent:
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1642 » by KnixinSix » Thu May 29, 2025 12:34 am

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treachery wrote:
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Word? So with all these liabilities, we were up 9 with 50 seconds to go in game 1, but where was our defensive lineup ? What told Thibs to re insert Brunson when he had 5 fouls and 6 minutes to go with us up 16 at the end of that game?

What told Thibs to go into the fourth quarter down 6, call timeout down 12 and come back out of the timeout with the SAME LINEUP WHICH INCLUDED CAM PAYNE.

What told Thibs to not call timeout down 3 at the end of game 2 and we drew up no play other than Brunson chucking up a contested 3, where we had a timeout to use and settle a play.

What told Thibs to go back to play Josh hart 36 minutes when he had 5 turnovers, and mikal who kept bricking shot after shot, yet Delon was on the bench, and deuce who has the highest +/- in the series only played 15 minutes ?

What told Thibs to not develop a bench all year, kolek pac and huk can’t see the light of the court and can’t even make a mistake once because they’re benched for another month.

What are you talking about ?


People sneer- but if you developed Kolek as the 'beautiful basketball' backup, it would be such a refreshing change of pace that we could be employing right now.

Someone who gets shooters shots in rythmn, runs a silky pick and roll, is totally unselfish.

When these guys start flowing, everything unlocks- I think Kolek could have been key to that.

But, no- we get this senile old bum completely fumbling our first chance at the Finals since a friggin' different century.

Blew it.


Yes Thibs gets us to tear our hair out so we look like him! BUT we are in the ECF. This might be his ceiling; I'll go with Leon's take. But he does deserve some props for us even being here after the previous 30 F*Ck*ng years. Gold watch him; kick him upstairs or get him better players and an "offensive co-ordinator" but can't just sh*t on him. :vent:


Thibs most definitely did a credible coaching job especially when we had less star players on the roster. However with Brun and KAT, this is most definitely not ideal roster construction for his type of team. He is not maximizing this collective group of talent.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1643 » by Adelheid » Thu May 29, 2025 12:39 am

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8516knicks wrote:
treachery wrote:
People sneer- but if you developed Kolek as the 'beautiful basketball' backup, it would be such a refreshing change of pace that we could be employing right now.

Someone who gets shooters shots in rythmn, runs a silky pick and roll, is totally unselfish.

When these guys start flowing, everything unlocks- I think Kolek could have been key to that.

But, no- we get this senile old bum completely fumbling our first chance at the Finals since a friggin' different century.

Blew it.


Yes Thibs gets us to tear our hair out so we look like him! BUT we are in the ECF. This might be his ceiling; I'll go with Leon's take. But he does deserve some props for us even being here after the previous 30 F*Ck*ng years. Gold watch him; kick him upstairs or get him better players and an "offensive co-ordinator" but can't just sh*t on him. :vent:


Thibs most definitely did a credible coaching job especially when we had less star players on the roster. However with Brun and KAT, this is most definitely not ideal roster construction for his type of team. He is not maximizing this collective group of talent.


his ideal team is the bulls roster (rose/noah/butler/taj,etc). His backup pg is captain kirk, a ferocious defender in his own right. That bulls squad is quite freaky in defense, really

making KAT your center is really asking for trouble, when the pg is jose calderon bad on defense
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1644 » by treachery » Thu May 29, 2025 12:59 am

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treachery wrote:
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Word? So with all these liabilities, we were up 9 with 50 seconds to go in game 1, but where was our defensive lineup ? What told Thibs to re insert Brunson when he had 5 fouls and 6 minutes to go with us up 16 at the end of that game?

What told Thibs to go into the fourth quarter down 6, call timeout down 12 and come back out of the timeout with the SAME LINEUP WHICH INCLUDED CAM PAYNE.

What told Thibs to not call timeout down 3 at the end of game 2 and we drew up no play other than Brunson chucking up a contested 3, where we had a timeout to use and settle a play.

What told Thibs to go back to play Josh hart 36 minutes when he had 5 turnovers, and mikal who kept bricking shot after shot, yet Delon was on the bench, and deuce who has the highest +/- in the series only played 15 minutes ?

What told Thibs to not develop a bench all year, kolek pac and huk can’t see the light of the court and can’t even make a mistake once because they’re benched for another month.

What are you talking about ?


People sneer- but if you developed Kolek as the 'beautiful basketball' backup, it would be such a refreshing change of pace that we could be employing right now.

Someone who gets shooters shots in rythmn, runs a silky pick and roll, is totally unselfish.

When these guys start flowing, everything unlocks- I think Kolek could have been key to that.

But, no- we get this senile old bum completely fumbling our first chance at the Finals since a friggin' different century.

Blew it.


Yes Thibs gets us to tear our hair out so we look like him! BUT we are in the ECF. This might be his ceiling; I'll go with Leon's take. But he does deserve some props for us even being here after the previous 30 F*Ck*ng years. Gold watch him; kick him upstairs or get him better players and an "offensive co-ordinator" but can't just sh*t on him. :vent:


I never wanted him- I thought it was just CAA favoritism. Same with the Obi draft.

But, obviously, Leon Rose has done a great job, save the Bridges trade which still makes me queasy.

Like I've said before- we need a Brad Stevens type. He was both no B.S. and also a coaching visionary- really impressed with his run with the Celtics.

Don't know who that comp is.

I'd happily take Lue- no to any of these retreads like Vogel. He even looks like Thibadough.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1645 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 29, 2025 1:03 am

i DON'T think Jay Wright would want to be Coach; but might he want to be GM? Then, again, Leon is tops so where does that leave us?
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Post#1646 » by Adelheid » Thu May 29, 2025 1:06 am

just get johnnie bryant ffs
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Post#1647 » by Luv those Knicks » Thu May 29, 2025 2:22 am

I'm not 100% sure if Thibs will be fired. If he's not, and if NY loses to Indy tomorrow or if they lose in 6 or even 7 and Thibs isn't fired, then I think fans will be outraged. If NY, by some miracle, wins the next 3 and gets to the finals, I think Thibs is safe - just my opinion.

If he fired, then the off-season is more interesting, but I still think the problem with this team is more in the lack of chemistry and lack of depth than bad coaching.

If he stays, then I think the bitching about it will be unbearable in the off-season and next season. Could a different coach play more depth and different styles? Maybe. . . .

I think, whatever happens, it'll be an interesting off-season, but not all off-seasons are active.

The 2024 off-season, NY was very active. Signed Cam Payne for depth, a first round pick to trade, and ultimately 1 signed, and 3 2nd round picks, traded for Bridges, traded for KAT and finally brought back precious.

The 2023-24 season was very busy with trades for OGA and Bogs and Bogs was basically just a chip to get Bridges.

But the 2023 off season was super quiet. Not for lack of trying. But no draft pick in 2023. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I don't remember much action.

The 2022-23 season, they added Josh Hart

and the 2022 off-season they added Brunson and I-Hart, so props on that off-season. They did trade some picks to create more cap room, but that's sometimes the cost of doing business.

OK, . . . I guess my point is, Leon will always look to make moves, but the 2023 off-season is evidence that he doesn't always succeed.

He does have the small MLE this year, and a tiny bit of room to work with under the 2nd apron. A few free agents (Precious, Payne, . . . am I forgetting anyone?). There's not a lot to work with, but it'll be an interesting off-season anyway, I imagine.

I don't have a strong opinion on Thibs either way, personally.

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Post#1648 » by Stannis » Thu May 29, 2025 2:23 am

Trade Thibs for Giannis and picks
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Post#1649 » by NYKat » Thu May 29, 2025 5:14 am

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NYKat wrote:Basically, until Thibs underachieves (which he has yet to do) he should keep the job, yall trying to fix something that ain’t broke


Tf are you watching???
He kept hart in the game who played 36 minutes, yet deuce, and Delon can’t see the court. Deuce played FIFTEEN MINUTES TOTAL. Delon played 2 minutes in the second half. Tf are you talking about. The playoffs is about adjustments. We aren’t trying to win the regular season, we are trying to win the chip.


Deuce couldn’t buy a shot in the first round and came in in crunch time yesterday and had crucial tiurnover while we were making a run, stop acting like Deuce is some game changing player…

And Thibs has shown he is capable of making adjustments, he deserves a shot to prove you wrong
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Post#1650 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 5:42 am

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NYKat wrote:Basically, until Thibs underachieves (which he has yet to do) he should keep the job, yall trying to fix something that ain’t broke


Tf are you watching???
He kept hart in the game who played 36 minutes, yet deuce, and Delon can’t see the court. Deuce played FIFTEEN MINUTES TOTAL. Delon played 2 minutes in the second half. Tf are you talking about. The playoffs is about adjustments. We aren’t trying to win the regular season, we are trying to win the chip.


Deuce couldn’t buy a shot in the first round and came in in crunch time yesterday and had crucial tiurnover while we were making a run, stop acting like Deuce is some game changing player…

And Thibs has shown he is capable of making adjustments, he deserves a shot to prove you wrong

Deuce playing only 15 minutes in Game 4 was a travesty. Apparently, he doesn't think that Deuce can hold TJ.
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Post#1651 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 5:45 am

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KnicksGadfly wrote:I think the argument that we should keep Thibs because you could get a worse coach doesn’t hold water with me.

If a coach can’t get you to the ring, then you need to let him go. If you don’t have confidence in finding another coach who can get the team to take the next step, fire the FO and find one that can.


EXACTLY! There is an expiration date on the players. If we continue to have this coach and his archaic philosophy we will continue to tread water.

The goal that EVERY team should have is to win a championship, not simply be "Good Enough". That's a loser mentality, and if that's the case why even look into making the roster better at all... This is something that seems to infect teams and fans of team with extended periods of losing, that the work is done and you're great when you're actually simply "Good".

The question is, do the Knicks want to be the NBA equivalent to the Buffalo Bills? A good team that's not good enough to win a championship due to hanging on to a caretaker coach?

But we just put this team together. This is Year-1. Not even LeBron-Wade-Bosh won a ring in Year-1. No one expected us to even go to the ECF this season.

Maybe it will be considered if we come out completely flat at MSG and get blown out. But if we play well tonight, Thibs is coming back even if we lose this series.
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Post#1652 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 5:46 am

matchman wrote:I have mentioned earlier in this thread that this playoff will decide whether I support Thibs to continue as our coach beyond this season. I think he has achieved his limit and beating the reigning champ Boston will probably be his biggest achievement of his coaching career. With that said if our objective is to win that shiny gold trophy, Leon Rose has to improve this criteria at coaching. Promoting Thibs to a non-coaching position and find his successor would be an idea.

Let me just remind folks that NO COACH in the history of the NBA has comeback from 3 20-point deficits in a playoffs ... other than Thibs.
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Post#1653 » by The KnicksFix » Thu May 29, 2025 5:50 am

NYKat wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:
NYKat wrote:Basically, until Thibs underachieves (which he has yet to do) he should keep the job, yall trying to fix something that ain’t broke


Tf are you watching???
He kept hart in the game who played 36 minutes, yet deuce, and Delon can’t see the court. Deuce played FIFTEEN MINUTES TOTAL. Delon played 2 minutes in the second half. Tf are you talking about. The playoffs is about adjustments. We aren’t trying to win the regular season, we are trying to win the chip.


Deuce couldn’t buy a shot in the first round and came in in crunch time yesterday and had crucial tiurnover while we were making a run, stop acting like Deuce is some game changing player…

And Thibs has shown he is capable of making adjustments, he deserves a shot to prove you wrong


The dood literally had a personal 7-0 run that sparked the comeback in the third quarter of game 3 when we couldn’t buy a bucket.
Deuce is the only defender other than Delon who can guard point of attack defense, and has done a solid job pushing Siakim out of the lower block when he’s switched on to him. Are you watching the same games we are?
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Post#1654 » by ctorres » Thu May 29, 2025 6:13 am

So I took a look at all the NBA head coaches that have coached our starters. Would any of these guys fare better than Thibs is against the Pacers? I'm just wondering if our players know better coaching than what Thibs is giving them.

Jalen Brunson
- Ric Carlisle
- Jason Kidd

Josh Hart
- Luke Walton
- Alvin Gentry
- Stan Van Gundy
- Willie Green
- Chauncey Billups

Mikal Bridges
- Monty Williams
- Igor Kokoskov

OG Anunoby
- Dwanye Casey
- Nick Nurse
- Darko Rajakovic

Karl-Anthony Towns
- Sam Mitchell
- Ryan Saunders
- Chris Finch
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Post#1655 » by ctorres » Thu May 29, 2025 6:52 am

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Mike Malone is from Queens so I guess it won't be him.
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Post#1656 » by The KnicksFix » Thu May 29, 2025 7:01 am

ctorres wrote:
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Mike Malone is from Queens so I guess it won't be him.


I’m with this, Malone didn’t want to play the bench or develop youth either
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Post#1657 » by matchman » Thu May 29, 2025 7:20 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
matchman wrote:I have mentioned earlier in this thread that this playoff will decide whether I support Thibs to continue as our coach beyond this season. I think he has achieved his limit and beating the reigning champ Boston will probably be his biggest achievement of his coaching career. With that said if our objective is to win that shiny gold trophy, Leon Rose has to improve this criteria at coaching. Promoting Thibs to a non-coaching position and find his successor would be an idea.

Let me just remind folks that NO COACH in the history of the NBA has comeback from 3 20-point deficits in a playoffs ... other than Thibs.


...and this crop of players too.

It is certainly impressive and can't question the heart of this tram, but at the same time if we lose to Pacers two playoffs in a row, that neutralized the good vibe of making 3 miraculous comebacks.

Hopefully this team is going to have some brilliant performance in game 5, 6, 7 and I will eat my bowl of crows with joy. Same as LTK if we get this series to 7 games, or even sneak into Finals the coach should stay.
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Post#1658 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu May 29, 2025 8:35 am

matchman wrote:
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matchman wrote:I have mentioned earlier in this thread that this playoff will decide whether I support Thibs to continue as our coach beyond this season. I think he has achieved his limit and beating the reigning champ Boston will probably be his biggest achievement of his coaching career. With that said if our objective is to win that shiny gold trophy, Leon Rose has to improve this criteria at coaching. Promoting Thibs to a non-coaching position and find his successor would be an idea.

Let me just remind folks that NO COACH in the history of the NBA has comeback from 3 20-point deficits in a playoffs ... other than Thibs.


...and this crop of players too.

It is certainly impressive and can't question the heart of this team, but at the same time if we lose to Pacers two playoffs in a row, that neutralized the good vibe of making 3 miraculous comebacks.

Hopefully this team is going to have some brilliant performance in game 5, 6, 7 and I will eat my bowl of crows with joy. Same as LTK if we get this series to 7 games, or even sneak into Finals the coach should stay.

Well, last playoffs we had a lot of injuries to key players. This series is a new team with Towns and Bridges in the starting lineup. And this time we're in the ECF. The Pacers are a very good team that's been together longer and is very well coached. I would say that Thibs deserves one more season. Hopefully, we make a move or two to improve the bench. Maybe it's time to consider trading Josh? At the very least, I think that if he's still here, his role will be off the bench.
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Post#1659 » by NoStatsGuy » Thu May 29, 2025 8:52 am

nobody will be able to fix our biggest issue. and that is KAT + Brunson getting abused by the top teams in the league. this roster wont cut it.
like many folks already said, this team isnt going anywhere unless we are able to fix this somehow by either trading KAT or make a KAT/Mitch line up work and playe super big.. can we rely on mitch to be a "full" part of the team for once? not sure. We need rim protection and a defensive anchor that can have the backs of OG, Mikal and cover for brunson. KAT aint prroviding that.

I wouldnt mind changing the coach and i can understand the frustration but im equally frustrated with KAT.

The pacers were not better than us in terms of talent. they perform way better because they have chemistry and an offensive identity, everybody is a star in their role. individually tho, except the top3 (hali, turner and siakam) i dont think these players are neccessarily better than deuce. And thats what we also should aim for with our next coach. someone that can maximize the roster. as much as i wanna defend thibs, hes not good at coaching offense.

One last thing i wanna say regarding rotations and playing benchplayers. its the god damn playoffs, i can understand a short rotation in the playoffs where every poossession counts and theres no time to mess around. the time to mess around and find out who to trust is in the regular season. im not mad at thibs for not playing wright in the POs. but im mad at thibs, that he puts people in the doghouse for 60 games during the regular season.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1660 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu May 29, 2025 9:05 am

You wanna watch a team doing the same predictable offense that doesn't defend the perimeter again? I do not. Get him out of here.
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