Official Frank Ntilikina Thread

[2010]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Mitchell was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

[Kampuchea]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We need to see some scoring from Frank. I know you’ve got to run in to defend him every time but we’ve seen a couple years of this.

I hope he sticks in the NBA but as of now it seems unlikely.

[cgmw]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Smith was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

[Clyde_Style]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Smith was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

I'm resigned to this as the reality of the situation. Frank is not an eat what you kill player. Fiz had a bromance with Mudiay which is a good indicator Frank is not likely to be his home slice.

[Clyde_Style]

Labia about to check in and help Frank put the flaps, I mean clamps, down on defense.

[taj2133]

Frank offensive game is really bad i don't how frank is going to get better on offensive. Frank defense is super good nobody denying that but offensive skills are so phucking bad it hard to play him. I bet you guys perry, mills, and fizdale stream that game today and they weren't impress with him either they were like wtf same old frank on offense.

[Jalen Bluntson]

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Smith was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

I'm resigned to this as the reality of the situation. Frank is not an eat what you kill player. Fiz had a bromance with Mudiay which is a good indicator Frank is not likely to be his home slice.

I'll let it play out this season.

[Clyde_Style]

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

I'm resigned to this as the reality of the situation. Frank is not an eat what you kill player. Fiz had a bromance with Mudiay which is a good indicator Frank is not likely to be his home slice.

I'll let it play out this season.

You mean you'll allow it?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I'm resigned to this as the reality of the situation. Frank is not an eat what you kill player. Fiz had a bromance with Mudiay which is a good indicator Frank is not likely to be his home slice.

I'll let it play out this season.

You mean you'll allow it?

Before I resign myself to any reality regarding Frank

[Clyde_Style]

I'll let it play out this season.

You mean you'll allow it?

Before I resign myself to any reality regarding Frank

OK, I'll allow it

[Infinitimind]

Frank offensive game is really bad i don't how frank is going to get better on offensive. Frank defense is super good nobody denying that but offensive skills are so phucking bad it hard to play him. I bet you guys perry, mills, and fizdale stream that game today and they weren't impress with him either they were like wtf same old frank on offense.

I think you start with hitting open 3s and go from there. Also make sure to put him in pick and roll where that one of his strength. That will be a start

[jvsimonetti0514]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Smith was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

Phil should have never been allowed to make that draft pick. He was fired like the day after the draft.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You mean you'll allow it?

Before I resign myself to any reality regarding Frank

OK, I'll allow it

You'll let it play out?

[WargamesX]

Not a good look, but it was game #1.

Anything else being said is hyperbole and conjecture.

[Clyde_Style]

We're not looking for FIT. We're looking for GROWTH. The fit factor is what lead us to make a safe pick when Donovan Smith was still on the board. Problem with Frank is he isn't showing much, if any, growth in his game. Sure the intangible factors you mentioned matter. But in the grand scheme of things, Frank's play isn't giving us any reason to believe he will end up being anything more than he currently is. Which you'd have to admit is disappointing. Even by your optimistic standards regarding him. Was this rendition of Frank what you hoped for when he was drafted?

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

Phil should have never been allowed to make that draft pick. He was fired like the day after the draft.

So true. What a weird ass time to fire someone. Fire, then pick. Derp

[mpharris36]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

Do you hear yourself? What you guys keep saying equates to "We have enough good players. I like Frank so let him run around with those guys to make me feel better". Also, the scoring for those guys you mentioned have nothing to do with Frank's defense or passing. RJ, Mitch, Payton, Taj, Portis and Morris are plenty defense. So what your pushing is finding a role for Frank to run up and down the floor, pass it and hide on the offensive side...basically a continuation of what he's done to date. That's nuts!

no... i didn't think I needed to be more clear but I guess I have to.

We have guys that can score. That are effective in situations with the ball in there hands and making plays. What we don't have is a surplus of ball movers that can also defend. People equate aggressiveness to putting up shots...which I think is complete garbage.

He was plenty active and aggressive, he's just never going to be a high volume shooter. Peoples first reaction is 15 minutes he was 0-3 and don't care about anything else he brings to the table. When I'm saying if you are playing alongside guys like RJ, Randle, Knox...those guys need the ball..you don't need 5 scoring minded people on the court at the same time. Good basketball teams have balance.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Most posters on the board (saving a half dozen olds) are Knicks fans under 40. They have the one freak 54 win Melo season. Other than that they have never followed closely a successful basketball team. All of them seem never to have played basketball at any level. So, ldo, they have no understanding at all of what to look for in players in the first few years of their careers.

So we get these asinine posts about how KP is bad on defense. And so on. And so on. And so on.

This is why I have so many of you on my foe list.

@clyde_style - sry - I'll get around to the acronym tomorrow and/or tomorrow+1

[jvsimonetti0514]

Frank is a Knick because Phil loves the triangle and Frank is a system player.

The minute Phil left, so left any chance for Frank to show growth on the Knicks.

You can pin blame wherever you want, but the franchise has given him very little chance to grow. It’s obvious that they have no intention of developing him in house and are just biding time for the maximum return on a trade.

The world will never know how good Frank is until he gets traded to Popp or another system-based ball movement team.

Phil should have never been allowed to make that draft pick. He was fired like the day after the draft.

So true. What a weird ass time to fire someone. Fire, then pick. Derp

It was classic Dolan too. He had just picked up Phil’s option too. So he let him draft his Fisher clone without a Kobe and had to pay him for 2 years because of the option.

[mpharris36]

I don’t get y’all we got enough guys to put the ball in the basket. He got 6 assists and 2 steals with good defense in 15 minutes. He took 3 shots. He needs to hit the 3 more consistently but otherwise how is this game viewed negatively. If you want RJ, Mitch, Knox, randle to score you need someone to defend and willingly pass them the ball.

We need to see some scoring from Frank. I know you’ve got to run in to defend him every time but we’ve seen a couple years of this.

I hope he sticks in the NBA but as of now it seems unlikely.

first in foremost we need Frank's impact defense back. That is more important than scoring. Because a average to ok defensive frank is pointless. If you get rookie year elite defensive frank back the others things will come along.

Another thing I like to see is getting into the paint and creating offense (I really don't care if its for himself or other) a basket is a basket...its worth the same amount of point whether someone else score it or he does.

I do understand he needs to hit an NBA average 3 pointer. That is understand and I do believe he will do that.

Otherwise I don't need him to put up 15 pts a game. I'm more concerned about his defense and playmaking...if those are impacting the game and he hopefully hits the league avg NBA 3...he is exactly what this team needs.

having 4-5 guys only worried about scoring is a disaster. Perry brough in a lot of guys that can score. Randle, Portis, RJ in the draft. These guys need and want the ball. Knox is another. DSJ is another that can score. You need some pass first guys. It worked with Prigioni because we had scorers with him. The only difference is he needs to make open 3's and I will hang my hat on him eventually doing that if he gets consistent minutes.

But my point remains no one notices 6 assists in 15 minutes? That is playing solid on that end whether you like to admit it or not. Being able to get the ball to people in spots they can score is a skill.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Not a good look, but it was game #1.

Anything else being said is hyperbole and conjecture.

Did you watch the game? In what way was it "not a good look"? Who performed better for France? Who performed better for Turkey?