2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 1)

[Fat]

Why you guys throwing ben Simmons out there like the sixers would even trade him. Let alone trade him For a lottery pick. Let alone trade him for a lottery pick to a team in its own division.
The value isn’t there at all for the sixers and Simmons is still worth way more than wherever we wind up in the draft

I wondered this as well. I thought he was on the market as possibly available or something lol. He wouldn’t thrive here anyway you don’t put a team of poor shooters around him I’m not confident in the Knicks to build around him either..maybe if we already had Key roles in place prepared to mesh with his play style.

[ADeP7]

Why you guys throwing ben Simmons out there like the sixers would even trade him. Let alone trade him For a lottery pick. Let alone trade him for a lottery pick to a team in its own division.
The value isn’t there at all for the sixers and Simmons is still worth way more than wherever we wind up in the draft

I wondered this as well. I thought he was on the market as possibly available or something lol. He wouldn’t thrive here anyway you don’t put a team of poor shooters around him I’m not confident in the Knicks to build around him either..maybe if we already had Key roles in place prepared to mesh with his play style.

That’s the thing. People are putting lineups of Simmons Barrett and Mitch on the floor. That absolutely can’t win. There is 3 players that cannot shoot at all. It doesn’t work. You can get away with Simmons and Barrett if you have actual snipers around them. But not happening throwing Mitch in as well

[newyorker4ever]

If we can't draft Wiseman, I'm all for trading down at this point. That doesn't mean I don't like other guys, I just don't like them as high lotto picks.

In my trade down scenario I would draft Nico Mannion with a later lotto selection this year, and try to see if I can poach another mid first or possibly some 2nds. I do think the 2nd round might have some gems in it.

idk why but Nico reminds me so much like Utah's version of Deron Williams. I cant explain it, he just does.

If the Knicks had #2 and Edwards went first you feel the Knicks would take wiseman over lamelo? Giving our guard situation I can’t really picture them doing it unless they had a plan under their belt to take wiseman and move Mitch to trade up for a point guard or use Mitch as a trade chip to acquire one.

Trade for DLo (we 100% need shooting in our backcourt playing next to Barrett) and draft Wiseman.

[Chanel Bomber]

Why you guys throwing ben Simmons out there like the sixers would even trade him. Let alone trade him For a lottery pick. Let alone trade him for a lottery pick to a team in its own division.
The value isn’t there at all for the sixers and Simmons is still worth way more than wherever we wind up in the draft

I wondered this as well. I thought he was on the market as possibly available or something lol. He wouldn’t thrive here anyway you don’t put a team of poor shooters around him I’m not confident in the Knicks to build around him either..maybe if we already had Key roles in place prepared to mesh with his play style.

That’s the thing. People are putting lineups of Simmons Barrett and Mitch on the floor. That absolutely can’t win. There is 3 players that cannot shoot at all. It doesn’t work. You can get away with Simmons and Barrett if you have actual snipers around them. But not happening throwing Mitch in as well

Simmons needs to play as a small-ball 5 or as a point 4 next to a stretch 5 like Lopez or KP. Otherwise he'll just put a ceiling on any team that he's on, like he's currently doing in Philly.

And he damn sure couldn't play with RJ.

[robillionaire]

Apparently Simmons is shooting 40% from 3 (2/5) he could probably put it together enough to at least be as good as our bad shooters which isn’t saying much

[Tron Carter]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

[TheScout31]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

Did you listen to KFS podcast?

[HerSports85]

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[Worst_to_First]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

I respect those with negative views against Wiseman but Ayton (who is a good player as well) and him are different.

Wiseman has made intense efforts to address the concerns on his lack of motor and has actually turned this into a strength. I also see Wiseman’s defense being in a different stratosphere than that of Ayton while being just as effective and efficient offensively, if not more.

I like Ayton but I’d draft Wiseman over him all day any day. One thing under appreciated about Wiseman is his desire to improve his weaknesses and work on his game.

[Tron Carter]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

I respect those with negative views against Wiseman but Ayton (who is a good player as well) and him are different.

Wiseman has made intense efforts to address the concerns on his lack of motor and has actually turned this into a strength. I also see Wiseman’s defense being in a different stratosphere than that of Ayton while being just as effective and efficient offensively, if not more.

I like Ayton but I’d draft Wiseman over him all day any day. One thing under appreciated about Wiseman is his desire to improve his weaknesses and work on his game.

this is vapor analysis though. you can’t actually measure a prospects desire to work on his game.

don’t think wiseman’s footwork is anywhere near as good as ayton’s and he’s not as fluid in his movements. he’s a gazelle in transition though.

[Tron Carter]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

Did you listen to KFS podcast?

Spence definitely reinforced apprehensions I had about his game but I’ve never been a fan of drafting those type of bigs that high in the lottery. teams still fetishize over bigs in the draft and it leads to incompetent organizations selecting ayton and bagley over luka and young. This team needs another creator that can shoot in the worst way, wiseman ain’t no generationally talented big in the mold of a KAT or Embiid, not even close.

[Worst_to_First]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

I respect those with negative views against Wiseman but Ayton (who is a good player as well) and him are different.

Wiseman has made intense efforts to address the concerns on his lack of motor and has actually turned this into a strength. I also see Wiseman’s defense being in a different stratosphere than that of Ayton while being just as effective and efficient offensively, if not more.

I like Ayton but I’d draft Wiseman over him all day any day. One thing under appreciated about Wiseman is his desire to improve his weaknesses and work on his game.

this is vapor analysis though. you can’t actually measure a prospects desire to work on his game.

don’t think wiseman’s footwork is anywhere near as good as ayton’s and he’s not as fluid in his movements. he’s a gazelle in transition though.

That vapor analysis is important, maybe so more than others. A lot say motor issues are the hardest to fix which Wiseman has done, which I believe says a lot about him.

KAT’s footwork, especially in the post, was not this evident as it was in college. I think Wiseman can really surprise people, and I sure hope he does it as a Knick.

[Worst_to_First]

I’ll never get the case for wiseman. dude is a worse version of ayton. a drop big that can’t switch or stretch the floor and y’all speaking on him like the consensus 1 overall.

rather build the front court around mitch and wouldn’t think twice about it.

Did you listen to KFS podcast?

Spence definitely reinforced apprehensions I had about his game but I’ve never been a fan of drafting those type of bigs that high in the lottery. teams still fetishize over bigs in the draft and it leads to incompetent organizations selecting ayton and bagley over luka and young. This team needs another creator that can shoot in the worst way, wiseman ain’t no generationally talented big in the mold of a KAT or Embiid, not even close.

KAT or Embiid was not as good as they are now coming out of college. You have to start from somewhere and I think Wiseman has a good base to start with.

LOL I wish people had more patience. That’s why we can’t have nice things.

[Capn'O]

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I haven't really seen it with James either. It's too bad we didn't get a whole year of him but I also can't blame him for leaving.

Thoughts on Okongwu?

[dakomish23]

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[robillionaire]

I don’t ask for much

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I can't believe they have the hawks taking cole anthony 2nd with wiseman on the board when they already have trae

[Worst_to_First]

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I can't believe they have the hawks taking cole anthony 2nd with wiseman on the board when they already have trae

Yes that would be incredibly ridiculous.

[TheScout31]

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I haven't really seen it with James either. It's too bad we didn't get a whole year of him but I also can't blame him for leaving.

Thoughts on Okongwu?

It was the smart decision to leave, despite myself, you, and others not being happy about it haha.

Love Yek. Gonna be a special defender in the NBA, has shown some Js this year, and is a high level rebounder. Would like to see him show a bit more passing in the 2nd half besides out of the post, though - gimme some short rolls, please.

[Juco24]

Imo the Knicks have to go for a PG... and I get the 'best player available' and I also get the need for outside shooting (I was on the Edwards train) but after watching more intently - those who've said it's a PG league are 100% right! Problem is that the 3 best in this draft have huge concerns. But if we're in position to get Ball (at #1, trade down) its the correct choice to make. His floor is former roy Carter-Williams with Penny level similarities. I'm not crazy about him because of his family history but the kids talented and the Knicks need a legit PG! Does he fit with RJ? I think so because RJ is better in the open court and Ball can push the pace and set him up. Not to mention finding Mitch for lobs.

[robillionaire]

Imo the Knicks have to go for a PG... and I get the 'best player available' and I also get the need for outside shooting (I was on the Edwards train) but after watching more intently - those who've said it's a PG league are 100% right! Problem is that the 3 best in this draft have huge concerns. But if we're in position to get Ball (at #1, trade down) its the correct choice to make. His floor is former roy Carter-Williams with Penny level similarities. I'm not crazy about him because of his family history but the kids talented and the Knicks need a legit PG! Does he fit with RJ? I think so because RJ is better in the open court and Ball can push the pace and set him up. Not to mention finding Mitch for lobs.

I’m starting to lean towards Ball as well, just due to the fact that I’ve been unimpressed by other prospects and he would at least be exciting to watch because he’s flashy. But the glaring fit issue with the players mentioned is that LaMelo and RJ can’t shoot very well. (Mitch too) And I am skeptical of their ability to improve much due to their “unique” shooting forms.

RJ is shooting 31% from 3 as a rookie, pretty poor but it’s enough to give you hope that with some work he could make it creep up a percentage or two to an almost respectable number, at least enough to keep a defense honest. But I don’t see him ever becoming a great shooter. I’m thinking poor man’s Dwyane Wade is probably going to be his ceiling and he’s got a ways to go to get there because his midrange game isn’t great either and he even occasionally struggles to finish at the rim. And then he shoots an abysmal 55% from the line. LaMelo is shooting 25% from 3 on 6.7 attempts per game. Meanwhile their overall FG% RJ is shooting 39% from the field and LaMelo is at 37.5%.

Even in a scenario where you put two elite shooters at SG and at PF (hypothetically lets say we sign Joe Harris and bring back Morris at the 4 and he keeps shooting over 40% from 3) I’m not sure if that would be enough to cover for them. And then we should consider that Randle (another career 30% 3pt shooter) is most likely locked in at PF for at least one more season.

And then there’s the defense.

Sorry if this was rambling I just woke up.