Donovan Mitchell Thread #6 - Something might actually happen in this one!!!!!!

[knicksstuff]

Here you go, some more Shams Chlamydia rumors:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268065/Pacers-Knicks-Jazz-Have-Talked-Deals-For-Russell-Westbrook-And-Draft-Picks

This seems to be that an inevitable Knicks, Lakers, Utah trade is brewing where the Lakers give up westbrook and a pick while taking in the longer term contracts from the knicks taht the Jazz would prefer to do without

[Appleshampoo]

Read on Twitter

Look at the language in the report - it's obvious the Jazz have nowhere else to go and are trying to push the Knicks:

"The Knicks’ asset pool — up to eight first-round draft picks and young players such as Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin — gives them a clear opportunity to acquire Mitchell"

"the Jazz are not operating with a sense of urgency"

"Along with New York, several other teams have expressed interest to the Jazz when it comes to Mitchell, such as Washington, Miami, Toronto, Charlotte, Sacramento and Atlanta, according to sources." (none of these teams have the assets)

Yet since Shams is player/agent based he does throw a bone to Donovan:
"Sources said the three-time NBA All-Star has not requested a trade or attempted to force his way out of Utah, but should the franchise move toward a full rebuild a competitor like Mitchell would prefer to be in an environment geared toward winning now, not later"

Or it’s simply a case that Ainge doesn’t like the young players that us fans overrate, maybe Mitchell isn’t sold on the Knicks like we assume, maybe Ainge is doing his job by waiting to see if another team gets more desperate, as I said in a previous post, maybe their is a certain player Ainge is targeting that us fans don’t think is great but Ainge loves him..

Or that the Knicks are playing hardball on the draft pick protections parameters.. There's a lot of possibilities.

[mpharris36]

that shams leak is clearly coming from Utah...you can look at it two ways.

Utah knows they have no other legit trading partners outside the Knicks and are trying to force there hands.

or

Utah really is going to try and play hard ball threaten to keep Mitchell into the season.

[stuporman]

People for whatever reason think the Knicks have no leverage. What? The Knicks may want DM, but they dont "need" him. DM to Knicks rumor is a consequence of Gobert to Minn. That was the extent of our pursuit of DM.

Ainge is a min/max and spreadsheet guy so he 100% understands that when he made the Gobert trade he is going full Sam Hinkie/Presti and asset collection/tank mode. There is no way Ainge wants to go into the season with DM because he wants to tank. We know Ainge wants to tank because he loves his spreadsheets, analytics, stats, and being a min/max guy.
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As a Jazz fan who has watched the team for 40+ years, I can tell you that Mitchell won't be spoiling any tank Utah has rolling. Anytime Rudy Gobert has missed multiple games over the last few years, the team has been straight trash. Even if Utah brought back the exact same team, minus Gobert, Utah is a play-in team at best. Now, when you consider Jingles is already gone and they are likely to trade other key players, this Utah team will be a disaster, Mitchell or no Mitchell.

So if Mitchell isn't even good enough to keep the Jazz from being a lottery team then his value is worse....and likely to get more worse if Ainge doesn't trade him so maybe he's not so smart to turn down the best offer of multiple picks for such a trash player.

[GONYK]

that shams leak is clearly coming from Utah...you can look at it two ways.

Utah knows they have no other legit trading partners outside the Knicks and are trying to force there hands.

or

Utah really is going to try and play hard ball threaten to keep Mitchell into the season.

I sincerely doubt Mitchell/CAA lets them, but their entire leverage is based on Donny being a good soldier

[Madskillzz024]

If the Celtics land KD, I could see Riley going all in for Mitchell if we continue to drag our feet. It’s pretty obvious the Knicks will cave before the Jazz do.

Plus the market might reset itself again if the KD trade is a huge haul for the Nets like the Jazz return for Rudy

Going all in with what though? What does Miami even have to offer outside of Herro and Robinson

Maybe they flip Lowry + Herro for pick(s). They also have Jovic who becomes tradable in August

Mitchell may prefer the Heat over the Knicks as well. Grew up a Heats fan + winning culture. No state income tax and it pairs him with his buddy Bam. They can technically have both on max rookie contracts since Bam was drafted by the Heat

[nyknicks8016]

that shams leak is clearly coming from Utah...you can look at it two ways.

Utah knows they have no other legit trading partners outside the Knicks and are trying to force there hands.

or

Utah really is going to try and play hard ball threaten to keep Mitchell into the season.

I actually read it that a deal is close and aainge is putting it out there to make it look like Knicks caved to get a deal done..

[mpharris36]

that shams leak is clearly coming from Utah...you can look at it two ways.

Utah knows they have no other legit trading partners outside the Knicks and are trying to force there hands.

or

Utah really is going to try and play hard ball threaten to keep Mitchell into the season.

I sincerely doubt Mitchell/CAA lets them, but their entire leverage is based on Donny being a good soldier

has hasn't made a stink yet, and he supposedly is very much about his image. Leon/WWW with the CAA connections better start doing there back channel stuff to Donovan and his agent...because unless they start putting public pressure (not behind the scenes pressure. This needs to go public or Ainge will believe he has all the leverage.

[snadler]

People who doubt what pat the rat can pull off haven’t been paying attention

[GONYK]

that shams leak is clearly coming from Utah...you can look at it two ways.

Utah knows they have no other legit trading partners outside the Knicks and are trying to force there hands.

or

Utah really is going to try and play hard ball threaten to keep Mitchell into the season.

I sincerely doubt Mitchell/CAA lets them, but their entire leverage is based on Donny being a good soldier

has hasn't made a stink yet, and he supposedly is very much about his image. Leon/WWW with the CAA connections better start doing there back channel stuff to Donovan and his agent...because unless they start putting public pressure (not behind the scenes pressure. This needs to go public or Ainge will believe he has all the leverage.

I think Mitchell will be "unnerved" by a few more things if he has to head into camp for the Jazz

[ag3]

People who doubt what pat the rat can pull off haven’t been paying attention

This. He'll find a way to get multiple 1st round picks with garbage players.

[RHODEY]

this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.

In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only play them like sparing bench pieces.

Which young guys?
Utah does value Obi, Grimes, IQ..Ainge demanding them is indicative of this

[mpharris36]

this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.

In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only play them like sparing bench pieces.

Which young guys?
Utah does value Obi, Grimes, IQ..Ainge demanding them is indicative of this

along with 6-7 1st round picks. The point is if you have more valued young pieces it would be one of the other.

[nyknicks8016]

People who doubt what pat the rat can pull off haven’t been paying attention

This. He'll find a way to get multiple 1st round picks with garbage players.

and then what contracts will he use as cap fillers?

[mpharris36]

I sincerely doubt Mitchell/CAA lets them, but their entire leverage is based on Donny being a good soldier

has hasn't made a stink yet, and he supposedly is very much about his image. Leon/WWW with the CAA connections better start doing there back channel stuff to Donovan and his agent...because unless they start putting public pressure (not behind the scenes pressure. This needs to go public or Ainge will believe he has all the leverage.

I think Mitchell will be "unnerved" by a few more things if he has to head into camp for the Jazz

Yeah I guess that would be the first deadline to cross when players are reporting.

[Knicks Byke]

at this point **** Ainge, the Jazz, Donovan Mitchell, Mobb Deep, **** Biggie, **** Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a **** crew.

[RHODEY]

this is why you need to play your young players too and not block them.

In trade negotiations why would Ainge value our young guys if our own team only play them like sparing bench pieces.

Which young guys?
Utah does value Obi, Grimes, IQ..Ainge demanding them is indicative of this

along with 6-7 1st round picks. The point is if you have more valued young pieces it would be one of the other.

I get that, but I do think Ainge throws all logic out the window. He's a zero sum type who will try to get ALL of what he thinks he can get.

[Knick4Real]

The only way Miami would get Mitchell is if the Jazz make a deal out of spite

or they find a 3rd team that really likes Herro and gives the Heat a bunch of 1st round picks.

Danny Ainge hates Pat The Rat even more than he hates us. I don't see him making a deal with Miami no matter who is involved.

[god shammgod]

the knicks will cave. donovan is probably their only option to get a star here. the jazz will get a good deal for donovan somewhere even if we have the supposed best offer (because if we aint offering it, it's not the best). they have more options than we do.

[thebuzzardman]

Here you go, some more Shams Chlamydia rumors:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268065/Pacers-Knicks-Jazz-Have-Talked-Deals-For-Russell-Westbrook-And-Draft-Picks

This seems to be that an inevitable Knicks, Lakers, Utah trade is brewing where the Lakers give up westbrook and a pick while taking in the longer term contracts from the knicks taht the Jazz would prefer to do without

Who even knows. I think the Knicks kicked the tires at some point, so did other teams.

Sometimes reporting is reporting, other times it's just passing rumors around.