mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
You don't think they are drafting a QB?
Also I don't know if I can call it one of the worst decisions. Like picking Barkley #2 overall was an all-time bad decision considering no one picks a non important position like that and the longevity of the position and the fact Gettleman didn't even answer the phone for a team willing to give up a huge offer to move in front of the Jets for Darnold....that is poor decision making.
It was a really tough situation. I don't think Schoen would have done it if we didn't make the playoffs and Jones didn't ball out on the road in the playoffs. It was a franchise mired in losing season after losing season and a new regime came in and had a lot of success in year 1 and Schoen even admitted the success that year probably led him to make some of the decisions and the pressure on building on the prior season.
Sometimes things don't work out but at the time hard to fault him for that when there was really no alternative at QB and they just one a playoff game.
Now the injury is really unfortunate...a lot of that is due to how bad the offensive line was during the early part of the year...he took so many hits. And now his injury guarantee probably even makes it less likely you want him playing so at the minimum you can get out of the contract next year and reset. Which was good that is was basically 2 year deal.
I don’t think we will take a QB early but you never know. I am not really buying JJ as worthy as a top 6 pick especially in the giants spot. I would go with a wr. But I could see them taking one later in the draft as more of a developmental, QB3 who maybe gets a shot late in the year if we are out of it. We do still need a qb no doubt, but just a tough spot to force a pick in this position.
Giants have had other bad decisions. Barkley was a bad pick….i would actually say the DJ contract is worse. I mean, he’s getting top 5 QB money. It’s insane. It’s good they have an out, but even the out comes with a big cap hit. Basically 3 years of bad cap and a lot of time wasted without an answer at QB. Just a much bigger set back imo. You can’t compete with Daniel Jones having that kind of cap hit.
He's not making top 5 money though, so thats just incorrect...
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterbackcurrently his AAV is 12th in the league and at the end of the day it was pretty much a 2 year deal. I am a big process guy. You can say he was overpaid but his aav based on the season prior was going to be in the 30's..that is just what mid tier QB's make. You factor in his age at he time and him coming off a huge playoff win and the pressure from the owners and fan base to try to build off a winning season...you are just speaking on the results of the contract which were bad. The injury being the worst part because he is still a solid QB when healthy...its now a bad deal because his career is being threatned by neck and knee injuries.
The key is now the Giants were dealt this hand how do you pivot and not compound it. But even your evaluation on say a JJ McCarthy kinda proves my point...a lot of people think he's top 10 pick worthy...you don't which I am not going to question but that just proves the QB position is so volatile the evaluations are all over the place. Whats the solution? Whats the alternative. You want to go WR, which I'm fine with. But whats your plan at QB? Just hope and pray for a late round developmental one. So you can understand a team wanting to pay a relatively young QB that just took you too the playoffs and one a road playoff game, no?
Like 10 to 12 teams have there QB. Another 10ish have decent mediocre options...and the bottom 3rd of the league is in QB hell. Good ones don't just grow on trees...so its hard for me to criticize the process especially put yourself in the situation coming off an unexpected good season and a playoff win.
If you sort by cap hit for 2024 he’s #6. Per here he’s #5…Russell Wilson isn’t listed for some reason. So #5 or #6 by cap hit. Either way, it’s way too much of a cap hit.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2024/quarterback/cap-hit/I can understand wanting to resign DJ, but not at any cost. They bid against themselves. I disagree with that process. They should have stuck to a limit, and worst case hit him with the franchise tag. He was solid, so you pay him solid Qb money….not elite qb money. It makes it really tough to compete when we are at a big disadvantage with that cap hit.
It is a tough spot without a QB. If they feel that JJ is that guy, and he could be, then they should take him. QB is one of the most difficult positions to evaluate. There is no way to simulate the speed of the nfl and how QBs adjust to that.
This year, I mean we are already committed to Jones and Lock. I don’t really expect to be good on offense. Even if we draft a Qb, we might have the worst supporting cast on offense in the league so it’s a real tough spot either way.
I just love the top 3 wrs. It’s a huge need, at a very valuable position. It makes sense to lock in one of those guys. But yea, if there is a franchise qb he would def be worth it. I just don’t know if it’s the right spot though at #6 here.
