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[3toheadmelo]

Could New York Knicks owner James Dolan force his way into Julius Randle contract extension situation?



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People wonder why Randle hasn’t gotten traded for the past 5 years this is why. He’s gonna retire as a Knick

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Begley is playing both sides like he always does. He doesn't know anything. Randle isn't going anywhere green satan.

This is my read on Julius Randle at the moment: He is excited about this Knicks team and believes they can make a run. He’s looking forward to being back, healthy, with this group. He thinks things can be special with Mikal Bridges. Also, his rehab from shoulder surgery is going incredibly well at the moment.

I can’t tell you exactly what the Knicks think right now because:

1) Things change quickly in the NBA, especially at this time of year.

2) As is the case in most organizations, different people have different opinions on topics related to the team.

On Randle, some in the organization believe that Randle can fit well with this group and think that Randle’s play in January – after the OG Anunoby trade – supports that point.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

People wonder why Randle hasn’t gotten traded for the past 5 years this is why. He’s gonna retire as a Knick

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Begley is playing both sides like he always does. He doesn't know anything. Randle isn't going anywhere green satan.

This is my read on Julius Randle at the moment: He is excited about this Knicks team and believes they can make a run. He’s looking forward to being back, healthy, with this group. He thinks things can be special with Mikal Bridges. Also, his rehab from shoulder surgery is going incredibly well at the moment.

I can’t tell you exactly what the Knicks think right now because:

1) Things change quickly in the NBA, especially at this time of year.

2) As is the case in most organizations, different people have different opinions on topics related to the team.

On Randle, some in the organization believe that Randle can fit well with this group and think that Randle’s play in January – after the OG Anunoby trade – supports that point.

And he also said this:
Regarding a potential trade of Randle, if the Knicks do it in the offseason and it doesn’t work out, they will be second-guessed over the decision. Fans and media will wonder what the team would have looked like with Randle on the roster.

Remember, the Knicks played well in January when Anunoby was on the roster and Randle was healthy. Based on that, it seems prudent to start the season with this group intact and assess the results before you consider making a major trade like moving Randle.

[KnixinSix]

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Begley is playing both sides like he always does. He doesn't know anything. Randle isn't going anywhere green satan.

This is my read on Julius Randle at the moment: He is excited about this Knicks team and believes they can make a run. He’s looking forward to being back, healthy, with this group. He thinks things can be special with Mikal Bridges. Also, his rehab from shoulder surgery is going incredibly well at the moment.

I can’t tell you exactly what the Knicks think right now because:

1) Things change quickly in the NBA, especially at this time of year.

2) As is the case in most organizations, different people have different opinions on topics related to the team.

On Randle, some in the organization believe that Randle can fit well with this group and think that Randle’s play in January – after the OG Anunoby trade – supports that point.

And he also said this:
Regarding a potential trade of Randle, if the Knicks do it in the offseason and it doesn’t work out, they will be second-guessed over the decision. Fans and media will wonder what the team would have looked like with Randle on the roster.

Remember, the Knicks played well in January when Anunoby was on the roster and Randle was healthy. Based on that, it seems prudent to start the season with this group intact and assess the results before you consider making a major trade like moving Randle.

These things are fluid. What is the most recent thing he said? I believe it was the last comment about Knicks and Randle not discussing an extension and "Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.” So that is where it is right now most likely.

In other words something is going on behind the scenes where the thought on Randle has taken a negative turn for whatever reason (negotiations, his current stance on his contract demands , they like the fit of another player like KAT after adding Bridges etc.)

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Begley is playing both sides like he always does. He doesn't know anything. Randle isn't going anywhere green satan.

And he also said this:
Regarding a potential trade of Randle, if the Knicks do it in the offseason and it doesn’t work out, they will be second-guessed over the decision. Fans and media will wonder what the team would have looked like with Randle on the roster.

Remember, the Knicks played well in January when Anunoby was on the roster and Randle was healthy. Based on that, it seems prudent to start the season with this group intact and assess the results before you consider making a major trade like moving Randle.

These things are fluid. What is the most recent thing he said? I believe it was the last comment about Knicks and Randle not discussing an extension and "Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.” So that is where it is right now most likely.

In other words something is going on behind the scenes where the thought on Randle has taken a negative turn for whatever reason (negotiations, his current stance on his contract demands , they like the fit of another player like KAT after adding Bridges etc.)

Naw, you're inferring that. You're reading way too much into it, and discounting what else Begley said.

[mpharris36]

I don't claim to have any idea whats going on but as Begley did mention today and I have mentioned before it shouldnt take 2 weeks to iron out a FA deal with Precious Achuiwa if there is mutual interest of bringing him back and we basically with his bird rights can offer him the most.

So that makes me think something is up...otherwise it doesn't make sense...at this point the knicks know the $$$ of what it would take to bring him back so not sure why this they are still staying "in contact" with his reps.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I don't claim to have any idea whats going on but as Begley did mention today and I have mentioned before it shouldnt take 2 weeks to iron out a FA deal with Precious Achuiwa if there is mutual interest of bringing him back and we basically with his bird rights can offer him the most.

So that makes me think something is up...otherwise it doesn't make sense...at this point the knicks know the $$$ of what it would take to bring him back so not sure why this they are still staying "in contact" with his reps.

That could also mean they are working on a back up center deal, not necessarily related about Randle.

[mpharris36]

I don't claim to have any idea whats going on but as Begley did mention today and I have mentioned before it shouldnt take 2 weeks to iron out a FA deal with Precious Achuiwa if there is mutual interest of bringing him back and we basically with his bird rights can offer him the most.

So that makes me think something is up...otherwise it doesn't make sense...at this point the knicks know the $$$ of what it would take to bring him back so not sure why this they are still staying "in contact" with his reps.

That could also mean they are working on a back up center deal, not necessarily related about Randle.

Never claimed it was about Randle...just makes me think something is going down could be a small S&T...could be nothing. But you don't need to negotiate this long when the FA market is this dried up.

Another note....Begley claimed we were actually more interested and closer to potentially landing Tyus Jones (but he has other bigger offers). But the fact we were even interested in him...why would Tyus Jones come to a team without a role for him? Unless something is going to open up soon at the guard spot...again I don't know but just trying to connect some dots.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't claim to have any idea whats going on but as Begley did mention today and I have mentioned before it shouldnt take 2 weeks to iron out a FA deal with Precious Achuiwa if there is mutual interest of bringing him back and we basically with his bird rights can offer him the most.

So that makes me think something is up...otherwise it doesn't make sense...at this point the knicks know the $$$ of what it would take to bring him back so not sure why this they are still staying "in contact" with his reps.

It absolutely appears like something is up with the way the reports are coming out. The situation with Precious is definitely a head scratcher in all of it. Bringing is Cam. Letting the center market dry up. They must be working on something bigger than bringing Precious back and trading for Richards or someone like that.

Aug 3rd is a few weeks off. That will tell a lot of nothing happened before then.

[aggo]

“Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.”

read that quote directly


that can only come from the Knicks front office


bc they are worried that randle's non extension becoming a huge pr / distraction to the fans and team.


bc lets say randle doesnt extend. whether its bc randle doesnt want to, or the knicks dont want to doesn't matter. read the quote.


they are worried about playing out the season without randle being extended

[Nightstick56NYK]

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[KnixinSix]

“Others are concerned about Randle going into this pivotal season with free agency looming and the challenges that may present. In addition, some decision-makers aren’t as bullish about the general fit of the current group.”

read that quote directly


that can only come from the Knicks front office


bc they are worried that randle's non extension becoming a huge pr / distraction to the fans and team.


bc lets say randle doesnt extend. whether its bc randle doesnt want to, or the knicks dont want to doesn't matter. read the quote.


they are worried about playing out the season without randle being extended

Absolutely Absolutely Absolutely. Begley is the most tuned in and also will basically puppet what he is given. Knicks wanted this out there. It could be for leveraging for him to come down in his demands or they are ready to move on (or both).

[BowlRips]

If Jules doesnt take the extension hell get squeezed. The cap space teams are Brooklyn, Houston, Detroit and Utah. I don't see any of those situations being a good fit for him on both sides. So to get his money, he's going to need to resign or orchestrate a sign and trade. Orchestrating a sign and trade in this environment with a salary starting at $40m is extremely difficult. That team would be capped at the first apron. So then it's an opt-in and trade? if he wants his extension immediately he's going to be capped at $36m a year AAV for 4 years.
It's not so simple for him. If he wants to stay, Knicks have a ton of leverage.

[KnixinSix]

If Jules doesnt take the extension hell get squeezed. The cap space teams are Brooklyn, Houston, Detroit and Utah. I don't see any of those situations being a good fit for him on both sides. So to get his money, he's going to need to resign or orchestrate a sign and trade. Orchestrating a sign and trade in this environment with a salary starting at $40m is extremely difficult. That team would be capped at the first apron. So then it's an opt-in and trade? if he wants his extension immediately he's going to be capped at $36m a year AAV for 4 years.
It's not so simple for him. If he wants to stay, Knicks have a ton of leverage.

Or Minnesota. The fit lines up for both teams

[DaGawd]

could def see houston being a suitor for randle, they seem desperate for any all star level talent so they can compete sooner, and he’s from texas so i don’t think he’d mind going there either

[aggo]

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[DaGawd]

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[sol537]

could def see houston being a suitor for randle, they seem desperate for any all star level talent so they can compete sooner, and he’s from texas so i don’t think he’d mind going there either

There could be a 3-way deal to be had… maybe Eason and another youngster coming our way…

[mpharris36]

could def see houston being a suitor for randle, they seem desperate for any all star level talent so they can compete sooner, and he’s from texas so i don’t think he’d mind going there either

Yeah HOU makes sense...they are going to let FVV walk after this year and they just drafted Reed Sheppard.

He is from Texas and Ime and HOU are def looking to start winning soon. I absolutely think HOU would be a target to land Randle. So the Knicks just can't assume if he doesn't take the extension he will 100% be back.

That does complicate things...

[mpharris36]

could def see houston being a suitor for randle, they seem desperate for any all star level talent so they can compete sooner, and he’s from texas so i don’t think he’d mind going there either

There could be a 3-way deal to be had… maybe Eason and another youngster coming our way…

we are not losing randle for role players.

[aggo]

could def see houston being a suitor for randle, they seem desperate for any all star level talent so they can compete sooner, and he’s from texas so i don’t think he’d mind going there either

Yeah HOU makes sense...they are going to let FVV walk after this year and they just drafted Reed Sheppard.

He is from Texas and Ime and HOU are def looking to start winning soon. I absolutely think HOU would be a target to land Randle. So the Knicks just can't assume if he doesn't take the extension he will 100% be back.

That doesn't complicate things...

also Houston seems like they have been aggressive in the trade and FA markets


they would absolutely be interested in randle if they aren't interested in sengun.