OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[TerrenceClarke]

I’m good with Sanders and will root for anyone they draft. Either way Giants should do there due diligence. My biggest hold back is I dont really trust the front office and they might be fired by the end of the year. Maybe it’s ok if it gives the next group time to evaluate but dont want another Daniel Jones situation.

As far as Sanders, I really have no idea. Just about every qb in the draft seems like a crap shoot. Some def have better chances than others, it’s just a tough position to evaluate. He def has a chance to be good, but some flags like everyone else. He’s got the intangibles though. I mean a few months ago he would have been the obvious pick so maybe a lot of smoke screens.

A little surprising since they signed both Wilson and Winston. Maybe they even will consider trading back from #3, pick up some extra picks and grab Sanders later.

I get it.

My Stance is that if he hits we are straight for a decade plus.

So I’m willing take that risk even if his physical tools are not on the “ elite “ end.

If my options are Draft Carter and still have to look for a competent QB. I’m drafting SS every time.

As I said before. Hunter is the only player I would change my stance on that.

What do you define as "hit"? If he tops out at Geno Smith, does that count?

If he tops out as a more accurate, higher IQ and healthy the pass 3 years Geno Smith?

Yeah that counts.

That’s a home run for me.

Just got to build the right team.

People acting like throwing a foot ball 70 yards with a flick equals a Super Bowl.

Two of the strongest arms in football Jackson and Josh Allen say otherwise.

[TerrenceClarke]

Eli was never an elite QB. Rivers and Big Ben blew him out the water. Elite just had elite intangibles cough cough SS.

Yet Giants fans need the strongest arm and the fastest guy in the universe to get behind a QB

[GONYK]

I get it.

My Stance is that if he hits we are straight for a decade plus.

So I’m willing take that risk even if his physical tools are not on the “ elite “ end.

If my options are Draft Carter and still have to look for a competent QB. I’m drafting SS every time.

As I said before. Hunter is the only player I would change my stance on that.

What do you define as "hit"? If he tops out at Geno Smith, does that count?

If he tops out as a more accurate, higher IQ and healthy the pass 3 years Geno Smith?

Yeah that counts.

That’s a home run for me.

Just got to build the right team.

People acting like throwing a foot ball 70 yards with a flick equals a Super Bowl.

Two of the strongest arms in football Jackson and Josh Allen say otherwise.

So he needs to be better than Geno

The last 5 superbowl winning QB all had an elite skill though. Hurts was the worst one and he's elite at the position with his legs.

The reason Allen and Lamar haven't won isn't because they are too physically gifted.

[TerrenceClarke]

Jalen Brunson is the starting PG for the NY Knicks and people LOVE him.

Been acting like he the best thing since sliced bread. Before he even came to the Knicks…. fans were begging that we got him in FA.

Why? Cause of the intangibles and Skill level he brought with him.

This dude does not have one Elite physical trait in his body and fans knew that before he got here, yet mad fans were like they wouldn’t trade him for a more physically gifted player once he was here. This is the same fan base that was calling him a top 5 player in the NBA.

So to me. The majority of arguments against SS is Giants fans becoming bougie all of sudden.

Drafting SS at 3 is like the worst thing we could do as franchise.

Respectfully….

The same people who justified DJ at 140 was a good move and he was a starting level QB for us going fwd. DJ had a bum ass season the first year with Daboll but fans acted like we was on an upswing.

Imma end this with make it make sense.

I don’t know what yall want.

[GONYK]

Eli was never an elite QB. Rivers and Big Ben blew him out the water. Elite just had elite intangibles cough cough SS.

Yet Giants fans need the strongest arm and the fastest guy in the universe to get behind a QB

This post could be about Daniel Jones. Nobody intangibles like Jones.

Not saying SS is Jones, but at #3 with Hunter or Carter on the board, some tangibles would be nice.

[GONYK]

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[3toheadmelo]

Jalen Brunson is the starting PG for the NY Knicks and people LOVE him.

Been acting like he the best thing since sliced bread. Before he even came to the Knicks…. fans were begging that we got him in FA.

Why? Cause of the intangibles and Skill level he brought with him.

This dude does not have one Elite physical trait in his body and fans knew that before he got here, yet mad fans were like they wouldn’t trade him for a more physically gifted player once he was here. This is the same fan base that was calling him a top 5 player in the NBA.

So to me. The majority of arguments against SS is Giants fans becoming bougie all of sudden.

Drafting SS at 3 is like the worst thing we could do as franchise.

Respectfully….

The same people who justified DJ at 140 was a good move and he was a starting level QB for us going fwd. DJ had a bum ass season the first year with Daboll but fans acted like we was on an upswing.

Imma end this with make it make sense.

I don’t know what yall want.

We up!

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[GONYK]

Jalen Brunson is the starting PG for the NY Knicks and people LOVE him.

Been acting like he the best thing since sliced bread. Before he even came to the Knicks…. fans were begging that we got him in FA.

Why? Cause of the intangibles and Skill level he brought with him.

This dude does not have one Elite physical trait in his body and fans knew that before he got here, yet mad fans were like they wouldn’t trade him for a more physically gifted player once he was here. This is the same fan base that was calling him a top 5 player in the NBA.

So to me. The majority of arguments against SS is Giants fans becoming bougie all of sudden.

Drafting SS at 3 is like the worst thing we could do as franchise.

Respectfully….

The same people who justified DJ at 140 was a good move and he was a starting level QB for us going fwd. DJ had a bum ass season the first year with Daboll but fans acted like we was on an upswing.

Imma end this with make it make sense.

I don’t know what yall want.

Drafting SS isn't the worst thing we could do by a long shot. It's just not the best thing they could do when you factor in who is being passed up.

If they go that route, they better be sure.

Respectfully...

You were banging the table for Anthony Richardson and praising the Colts for taking him at #4 when it was clear he didn't understand the game enough to be starting for Pop Warner teams. You were also on the Joe Milton train at one point and he's another guy who is all tools and very little skill. Are you being too bougie for Jalen Milroe who has the same profile but way more college production? The guy was a goal line draw play away from probably winning a national title.

And now you're all about SS, who is closer to a good game manager (like Geno Smith) than a gamebreaker.

It's not clear what you want either other than not Daniel Jones

[TerrenceClarke]

Jalen Brunson is the starting PG for the NY Knicks and people LOVE him.

Been acting like he the best thing since sliced bread. Before he even came to the Knicks…. fans were begging that we got him in FA.

Why? Cause of the intangibles and Skill level he brought with him.

This dude does not have one Elite physical trait in his body and fans knew that before he got here, yet mad fans were like they wouldn’t trade him for a more physically gifted player once he was here. This is the same fan base that was calling him a top 5 player in the NBA.

So to me. The majority of arguments against SS is Giants fans becoming bougie all of sudden.

Drafting SS at 3 is like the worst thing we could do as franchise.

Respectfully….

The same people who justified DJ at 140 was a good move and he was a starting level QB for us going fwd. DJ had a bum ass season the first year with Daboll but fans acted like we was on an upswing.

Imma end this with make it make sense.

I don’t know what yall want.

Drafting SS isn't the worst thing we could do by a long shot. It's just not the best thing they could do when you factor in who is being passed up.

If they go that route, they better be sure.

Respectfully...

You were banging the table for Anthony Richardson and praising the Colts for taking him at #4 when it was clear he didn't understand the game enough to be starting for Pop Warner teams. You were also on the Joe Milton train at one point and he's another guy who is all tools and very little skill. Are you being too bougie for Jalen Milroe who has the same profile but way more college production? The guy was a goal line draw play away from probably winning a national title.

And now you're all about SS, who is closer to a good game manager than a gamebreaker.

It's not clear what you want either other than not Daniel Jones

I have always been about SS. There isnt one player I have talked about more in this thread in college the past two years than him, do a search.

Richardson? yeah I was on that cause I hated Daniel Jones. I knew he was a project but DJ was a bum extraordinaire and I was ready to move on. I learn from mistakes early with this archetype. I still take him over that Bum Milroe tho

His physical traits are better.

There was never a train to get on with Milton really. Again do a search. I talked about Milton going back to last year, cause again your golden boy DJ was a such a bum and we need a new QB on the roster. I talked about Milton no more than I spoke about JJ Mcarthy. The Stink of DJ would do that to you. A couple of posts dont equal a train. I mean if you were on the DJ train with your post count....can we really say there was a Milton Train with like maybe 6 or 7 posts?

Also In regards to this year.There is no certainty on what the Gmen would do in the draft ...so would I rock with Joe Milton if they go another way? of course I would have before he was traded. We dont have any Young QBs

Jalen Milroe is a bum. You can never be to bougie for a dude who can hardly throw a slant and some of the worst foot work and processing the past couple of drafts.

you thought bringing up Geno was some kind of diss. but Seatlle Geno is a good QB.

You are a fan of one of the most unatheltic players.... least elite athletic traits in the NBA in Brunson. You will be ight if we pick SS my dude.

In closing ....

Any person who was championing as hard as you was for DJ is banned from all QB talk....

I think its very clear who I wanted as QB1 this year. Saying anything otherwise is just wrong and you know it.

[cgmw]

this is interesting.

Didn't the Giants have a private workout with JJ McCarty around easter last year as well? I wonder what they would need to see on this workout that they haven't seen already? Like Sanders has a really good body of work in college already, you would think there evaluation should be pretty much set a week before the NFL draft.

It could be for #3 or it could be how aggressive they want to be in a trade up scenario back into the 1st round (with there 2nd round pick and other assets) if they also have to compete with teams like the Browns in a trade up scenario.

Either way it will certainly be an interesting draft.

Could just be a political favor for Deon so the family saves face and the Giants stay in good graces with the Sanders hive.

Then again, maybe there’s a trade back into the late 1st to grab him later.

[GONYK]

Jalen Brunson is the starting PG for the NY Knicks and people LOVE him.

Been acting like he the best thing since sliced bread. Before he even came to the Knicks…. fans were begging that we got him in FA.

Why? Cause of the intangibles and Skill level he brought with him.

This dude does not have one Elite physical trait in his body and fans knew that before he got here, yet mad fans were like they wouldn’t trade him for a more physically gifted player once he was here. This is the same fan base that was calling him a top 5 player in the NBA.

So to me. The majority of arguments against SS is Giants fans becoming bougie all of sudden.

Drafting SS at 3 is like the worst thing we could do as franchise.

Respectfully….

The same people who justified DJ at 140 was a good move and he was a starting level QB for us going fwd. DJ had a bum ass season the first year with Daboll but fans acted like we was on an upswing.

Imma end this with make it make sense.

I don’t know what yall want.

Drafting SS isn't the worst thing we could do by a long shot. It's just not the best thing they could do when you factor in who is being passed up.

If they go that route, they better be sure.

Respectfully...

You were banging the table for Anthony Richardson and praising the Colts for taking him at #4 when it was clear he didn't understand the game enough to be starting for Pop Warner teams. You were also on the Joe Milton train at one point and he's another guy who is all tools and very little skill. Are you being too bougie for Jalen Milroe who has the same profile but way more college production? The guy was a goal line draw play away from probably winning a national title.

And now you're all about SS, who is closer to a good game manager than a gamebreaker.

It's not clear what you want either other than not Daniel Jones

I have always been about SS. There isnt one player I have talked about more in this thread in college the past two years than him, do a search.

Richardson? yeah I was on that cause I hated Daniel Jones. I knew he was a project but DJ was a bum extraordinaire and I was ready to move on. I learn from mistakes early with this archetype. I still take him over that Bum Milroe tho

His physical traits are better.

There was never a train to get on with Milton. Again do a search. I talked about Milton going back to last year, cause again your golden boy DJ was a such a bum and we need a new QB on the roster. I talked about Milton no more than I spoke about JJ Mcarthy. The Stink of DJ would do that to you.

in regards to this year.There is no certainty on what the Gmen would do in the draft ...so would I rock with Joe Milton if they go another way? of course I would have before he was traded. We dont have any Young QBs

Jalen Milroe is a bum. You can never be to bougie for a dude who can barley throw a slant and some of the worst foot work and processing the past couple of drafts.

you thought bringing up Geno was some kind of diss. but Seatlle Geno is a good QB. Let me guess you was talking about the Jets Geno to have an argument.

You are a fan of one of the most unatheltic players.... least elite athletic traits in the NBA in Brunson. You will be ight if we pick SS.

Any person who was championing as hard as you was for DJ is banned from all QB talk....

I've loved Brunson from the very first minute I watched him in high school and will never ever in my life apologize for that

As far as SS, I'm talking about Seattle Geno. I'm not disingenuous when I talk. If you think Seattle Geno is worth #3 pick in the draft over Abdul Carter, that is your opinion to stand on. I disagree. If we were sitting at #4, I'd be praying SS fell to us, because the talent from 4-40 are basically all the same tier. But I'll never pass on a chance for Micah Parsons for a chance at Seattle Geno Smith. I'm not even mentioning Hunter, because you'd pass on SS for Hunter too, but it goes double for him.

Just like you claim that you learned from the "toolsy project" archetype and now don't want them, I've learned from the "not elite at anything but has the intangibles" archetype. Those guys have higher floors, but I don't see a bunch of Superbowls being won from that group either.

You keep bringing up Daniel Jones like that makes you the arbiter of who gets to talk about what when you whiffed just as hard on Richardson. Just because that terrible evaluation doesn't affect your team doesn't make it less terrible. Especially when you praised using a top 5 pick on him...and now Jones is probably going to start over your guy Richardson

Also, you can go back and check my posts, I didn't like Jones coming out of college at all and was pissed when we picked him over Josh Allen (JAX). Same logic applies here.

[TerrenceClarke]

Drafting SS isn't the worst thing we could do by a long shot. It's just not the best thing they could do when you factor in who is being passed up.

If they go that route, they better be sure.

Respectfully...

You were banging the table for Anthony Richardson and praising the Colts for taking him at #4 when it was clear he didn't understand the game enough to be starting for Pop Warner teams. You were also on the Joe Milton train at one point and he's another guy who is all tools and very little skill. Are you being too bougie for Jalen Milroe who has the same profile but way more college production? The guy was a goal line draw play away from probably winning a national title.

And now you're all about SS, who is closer to a good game manager than a gamebreaker.

It's not clear what you want either other than not Daniel Jones

I have always been about SS. There isnt one player I have talked about more in this thread in college the past two years than him, do a search.

Richardson? yeah I was on that cause I hated Daniel Jones. I knew he was a project but DJ was a bum extraordinaire and I was ready to move on. I learn from mistakes early with this archetype. I still take him over that Bum Milroe tho

His physical traits are better.

There was never a train to get on with Milton. Again do a search. I talked about Milton going back to last year, cause again your golden boy DJ was a such a bum and we need a new QB on the roster. I talked about Milton no more than I spoke about JJ Mcarthy. The Stink of DJ would do that to you.

in regards to this year.There is no certainty on what the Gmen would do in the draft ...so would I rock with Joe Milton if they go another way? of course I would have before he was traded. We dont have any Young QBs

Jalen Milroe is a bum. You can never be to bougie for a dude who can barley throw a slant and some of the worst foot work and processing the past couple of drafts.

you thought bringing up Geno was some kind of diss. but Seatlle Geno is a good QB. Let me guess you was talking about the Jets Geno to have an argument.

You are a fan of one of the most unatheltic players.... least elite athletic traits in the NBA in Brunson. You will be ight if we pick SS.

Any person who was championing as hard as you was for DJ is banned from all QB talk....

I've loved Brunson from the very first minute I watched him in high school and will never ever in my life apologize for that

As far as SS, I'm talking about Seattle Geno. I'm not disingenuous when I talk. If you think Seattle Geno is worth #3 pick in the draft over Abdul Carter, that is your opinion to stand on. I disagree. If we were sitting at #4, I'd be praying SS fell to us, because the talent from 4-40 are basically all the same tier. But I'll never pass on a chance for Micah Parsons for a chance at Seattle Geno Smith. I'm not even mentioning Hunter, because you'd pass on SS for Hunter too, but it goes double for him.

Just like you claim that you learned from the "toolsy project" archetype and now don't want them, I've learned from the "not elite at anything but has the intangibles" archetype. Those guys have higher floors, but I don't see a bunch of Superbowls being won from that group either.

You keep bringing up Daniel Jones like that makes you the arbiter of who gets to talk about what when you whiffed just as hard on Richardson. Just because that terrible evaluation doesn't affect your team doesn't make it less terrible. Especially when you praised using a top 5 pick on him.

Also, you can go back and check my posts, I didn't like Jones coming out of college at all and was pissed when we picked him over Josh Allen (JAX). Same logic applies here. And now he's probably going to start over your guy Richardson

It does when you Justify after seeing a trash QB in the NFL FOR YEARS....doubling down and Justifying that he was worth 140 million. You going to have hold that L my dude. There is no Dancing around it. You had mad evidence of his play in the NFL and STILL was like lets re up with him....

I had much less to go off on when evaluating richardson so Im PERFECTLY fine with being wrong.

You had years of watching DJ and then doubled down... Again my dude. You gotta hold that.

you dont get props cause you didnt like him over Allen, when once you seen how bad he was.... Still wanting him as your starting QB

So if you liked Brunson from HS. You will like SS when he is your starting QB for the Giants for the next decade plus. I will even buy you a SS Jersey if you want one so you can save your money.

[GONYK]

I have always been about SS. There isnt one player I have talked about more in this thread in college the past two years than him, do a search.

Richardson? yeah I was on that cause I hated Daniel Jones. I knew he was a project but DJ was a bum extraordinaire and I was ready to move on. I learn from mistakes early with this archetype. I still take him over that Bum Milroe tho

His physical traits are better.

There was never a train to get on with Milton. Again do a search. I talked about Milton going back to last year, cause again your golden boy DJ was a such a bum and we need a new QB on the roster. I talked about Milton no more than I spoke about JJ Mcarthy. The Stink of DJ would do that to you.

in regards to this year.There is no certainty on what the Gmen would do in the draft ...so would I rock with Joe Milton if they go another way? of course I would have before he was traded. We dont have any Young QBs

Jalen Milroe is a bum. You can never be to bougie for a dude who can barley throw a slant and some of the worst foot work and processing the past couple of drafts.

you thought bringing up Geno was some kind of diss. but Seatlle Geno is a good QB. Let me guess you was talking about the Jets Geno to have an argument.

You are a fan of one of the most unatheltic players.... least elite athletic traits in the NBA in Brunson. You will be ight if we pick SS.

Any person who was championing as hard as you was for DJ is banned from all QB talk....

I've loved Brunson from the very first minute I watched him in high school and will never ever in my life apologize for that

As far as SS, I'm talking about Seattle Geno. I'm not disingenuous when I talk. If you think Seattle Geno is worth #3 pick in the draft over Abdul Carter, that is your opinion to stand on. I disagree. If we were sitting at #4, I'd be praying SS fell to us, because the talent from 4-40 are basically all the same tier. But I'll never pass on a chance for Micah Parsons for a chance at Seattle Geno Smith. I'm not even mentioning Hunter, because you'd pass on SS for Hunter too, but it goes double for him.

Just like you claim that you learned from the "toolsy project" archetype and now don't want them, I've learned from the "not elite at anything but has the intangibles" archetype. Those guys have higher floors, but I don't see a bunch of Superbowls being won from that group either.

You keep bringing up Daniel Jones like that makes you the arbiter of who gets to talk about what when you whiffed just as hard on Richardson. Just because that terrible evaluation doesn't affect your team doesn't make it less terrible. Especially when you praised using a top 5 pick on him.

Also, you can go back and check my posts, I didn't like Jones coming out of college at all and was pissed when we picked him over Josh Allen (JAX). Same logic applies here. And now he's probably going to start over your guy Richardson

It does when you Justify after seeing a trash QB in the NFL FOR YEARS....doubling down and Justifying that he was worth 140 million. You going to have hold that L my dude. There is no Dancing around it. You had mad evidence of his play in the NFL and STILL was like lets re up with him....

I had much less to go off on when evaluating richardson so Im PERFECTLY fine with being wrong.

You had years of watching DJ and then doubled down... Again my dude. You gotta hold that.

you dont get props cause you didnt like him over Allen, when once you seen how bad he was.... Still wanting him as your starting QB

So if you liked Brunson from HS. You will like SS when he is your starting QB for the Giants for the next decade plus. I will even buy you a SS Jersey if you want one so you can save your money.

Well, I'm not interested in rehashing the whole DJ debate, but you're skipping over the nuance of the argument, which was more contractual than anything, to score points. You're wrong on the totality of my feelings on Jones. That's fine. I was wrong about how low the bottom could be with Jones and his timidity outweighed his intangibles. I was right about him coming out of college when everyone has the same amount of info.

I'll take the SS jersey though

[MrDollarBills]

I just think we probably shouldn't force a QB pick over Carter or Hunter when:

1) We are gonna suck either way this season

2) The expectations is that there will be more first round options at QB next year.

Take the talent. We are poised to obtain two very high quality prospects at #3 and #34.

Mara is the real problem here. He should have fired Schoen and Daboll and allowed for this thing to build organically where the pressure to pick a QB wouldn't exist.

Let's not over complicate it. We have an improved QB room for next season. Grab the talent and come back in a stronger QB draft next spring and then pick our future QB.

[TerrenceClarke]

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[mpharris36]

this is interesting.

Didn't the Giants have a private workout with JJ McCarty around easter last year as well? I wonder what they would need to see on this workout that they haven't seen already? Like Sanders has a really good body of work in college already, you would think there evaluation should be pretty much set a week before the NFL draft.

It could be for #3 or it could be how aggressive they want to be in a trade up scenario back into the 1st round (with there 2nd round pick and other assets) if they also have to compete with teams like the Browns in a trade up scenario.

Either way it will certainly be an interesting draft.

Could just be a political favor for Deon so the family saves face and the Giants stay in good graces with the Sanders hive.

Then again, maybe there’s a trade back into the late 1st to grab him later.

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I don't know what you are going to learn this late into the process that you haven't already evaluated. Maybe Daboll needs to get his hands on him to find out where they rank SS in QB prosects (in comparison the trade up options and the day 2 or 3 guys). Because they have brought in nearly all the top 5-10 QB's in this class at some point.

They have seen so much of him during the year you think they would be good with there evaluation already. A private workout shouldn't change much at this point (at least it shouldn't).

[GONYK]

this is interesting.

Didn't the Giants have a private workout with JJ McCarty around easter last year as well? I wonder what they would need to see on this workout that they haven't seen already? Like Sanders has a really good body of work in college already, you would think there evaluation should be pretty much set a week before the NFL draft.

It could be for #3 or it could be how aggressive they want to be in a trade up scenario back into the 1st round (with there 2nd round pick and other assets) if they also have to compete with teams like the Browns in a trade up scenario.

Either way it will certainly be an interesting draft.

Could just be a political favor for Deon so the family saves face and the Giants stay in good graces with the Sanders hive.

Then again, maybe there’s a trade back into the late 1st to grab him later.

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I don't know what you are going to learn this late into the process that you haven't already evaluated. Maybe Daboll needs to get his hands on him to find out where they rank SS in QB prosects (in comparison the trade up options and the day 2 or 3 guys). Because they have brought in nearly all the top 5-10 QB's in this class at some point.

They have seen so much of him during the year you think they would be good with there evaluation already. A private workout shouldn't change much at this point (at least it shouldn't).

If I were Schoen and Daboll, this would be my thinking:

We have all the tape. It showed both good and bad. We've probably seen enough to know that he's accurate in a clean pocket and won't be making a ton of plays with his legs. Fine. That takes away a decent portion of what Daboll wants to do, but it isn't a dealbreaker as long as he proves that he can play with verticality and really get the ball downfield on his throws.

We go to his pro day and it is the most underwhelming vanilla pro day for a top QB prospect in a while. He almost makes a point to not throw many deep balls. We didn't get the main question answered.

So now, we bring him into the building and put him through the throws we want to see. Then pick his brain after.

It's not a question of whether or not SS is a good NFL QB (he very likely is). It's whether or not he's going to give us what Daboll's ideal QB gets out of the system.

At the same time, Ranaan says there's nothing really special about this:

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[mpharris36]

Could just be a political favor for Deon so the family saves face and the Giants stay in good graces with the Sanders hive.

Then again, maybe there’s a trade back into the late 1st to grab him later.

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I don't know what you are going to learn this late into the process that you haven't already evaluated. Maybe Daboll needs to get his hands on him to find out where they rank SS in QB prosects (in comparison the trade up options and the day 2 or 3 guys). Because they have brought in nearly all the top 5-10 QB's in this class at some point.

They have seen so much of him during the year you think they would be good with there evaluation already. A private workout shouldn't change much at this point (at least it shouldn't).

If I were Schoen and Daboll, this would be my thinking:

We have all the tape. It showed both good and bad. We've probably seen enough to know that he's accurate in a clean pocket and won't be making a ton of plays with his legs. Fine. That takes away a decent portion of what Daboll wants to do, but it isn't a dealbreaker as long as he proves that he can play with verticality and really get the ball downfield on his throws.

We go to his pro day and it is the most underwhelming vanilla pro day for a top QB prospect in a while. He almost makes a point to not throw many deep balls. We didn't get the main question answered.

So now, we bring him into the building and put him through the throws we want to see. Then pick his brain after.

It's not a question of whether or not SS is a good NFL QB (he very likely is). It's whether or not he's going to give us what Daboll's ideal QB gets out of the system.

At the same time, Ranaan says there's nothing really special about this:

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Fair but are we talking about finalizing whether he should be a top pick or are we talking about where we would want to trade back into the 1st to potentially get him.

Because if its the former I would seriously question the organization. No workout should determine if a QB is a legit top pick...the tape and interviews already should have done that.

And I agree. I think SS will be a very solid QB at the next level...and there is certainly room for growth that we didn't see because of the system he was running in COL. But I would have a tough time reconciling that they are still undecided on him to be a daboll QB at the #3 pick. Which is why I think it is more of an evaluation of comparing him to Dart/Milroe and some of these day 2/3 guys they are brining in to see what type of assets they would want to trade back into round and how desperate they want to be. But thats just my opinion.

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they are certainly evaluating everyone....probably want to see how Daboll ranks they all compared to what Schoen and the FO ranks them all.

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I don't know what you are going to learn this late into the process that you haven't already evaluated. Maybe Daboll needs to get his hands on him to find out where they rank SS in QB prosects (in comparison the trade up options and the day 2 or 3 guys). Because they have brought in nearly all the top 5-10 QB's in this class at some point.

They have seen so much of him during the year you think they would be good with there evaluation already. A private workout shouldn't change much at this point (at least it shouldn't).

If I were Schoen and Daboll, this would be my thinking:

We have all the tape. It showed both good and bad. We've probably seen enough to know that he's accurate in a clean pocket and won't be making a ton of plays with his legs. Fine. That takes away a decent portion of what Daboll wants to do, but it isn't a dealbreaker as long as he proves that he can play with verticality and really get the ball downfield on his throws.

We go to his pro day and it is the most underwhelming vanilla pro day for a top QB prospect in a while. He almost makes a point to not throw many deep balls. We didn't get the main question answered.

So now, we bring him into the building and put him through the throws we want to see. Then pick his brain after.

It's not a question of whether or not SS is a good NFL QB (he very likely is). It's whether or not he's going to give us what Daboll's ideal QB gets out of the system.

At the same time, Ranaan says there's nothing really special about this:

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Fair but are we talking about finalizing whether he should be a top pick or are we talking about where we would want to trade back into the 1st to potentially get him.

Because if its the former I would seriously question the organization. No workout should determine if a QB is a legit top pick...the tape and interviews already should have done that.

And I agree. I think SS will be a very solid QB at the next level...and there is certainly room for growth that we didn't see because of the system he was running in COL. But I would have a tough time reconciling that they are still undecided on him to be a daboll QB at the #3 pick. Which is why I think it is more of an evaluation of comparing him to Dart/Milroe and some of these day 2/3 guys they are brining in to see what type of assets they would want to trade back into round and how desperate they want to be. But thats just my opinion.

That also makes sense. I think the reality is is that we're going to hear of a lot more private QB workouts in the next few days and we'll see the SS one isn't anything meaningful.