GONYK wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
You left out the fact that trading Me7o does give us a lot of additional cap space to sign big name free agents next off season.
All it gives us is potential to sign someone. What about the team will appeal to a big name free agent? Why would they come here? We also have plenty of capspace if we keep him, and we are getting a player of his production level at a discount in the new cap.
And while you may be correct that Me7o doesn't bring us back a lottery picks because we'd have to trade him to a contender, you ignore the possibility a trading partner might have acquired higher draft picks from other lower tier teams in other transactions that they can trade to us. But assuming they don't, we can still use all those additional picks to use in future trades should we so choose ... or when can simply use them to draft players that Phil see fitting into our system. We got Jerian Grant at 19. Draymond Green was picked in the second round.
Perhaps, but we don't need to trade Melo to get late 1sts and 2nd round picks. Phil has demonstrated that already. Melo should yield more value that Pablo Prigioni.
So there are a lot of benefits from trading "Me7o" not to mention simple "addition by subtraction." But since we're not trading him before the season, we're just shooting spitballs here, right? Maybe Melo has some kind of awakening and is able to lift this team to a higher level. I hope he does. I'm just not counting on it.
I'm not seeing the "addition by subtraction" thing here. We are a better team with him and a worse team without him. He's not JR or Bargnani.
The only reason to move him would be if we are getting value in return. There is no inherent value to not having him.
1. Wait, so the NY Knicks franchise is DONE once Melo leaves because you question "What about the team will appeal to free agents?" How about the development of our no. 4 and 19 picks who are going to be the core of this team going forward? How about playing with a tough defensive mind team that shares the ball and plays the right way?
So, according to you, when Melo is gone, no other All Star level free agent is ever signing with the Knicks? Ever?
You don't really mean that do you? You don't think players will want to play with Porzingis and Grant? Phil has said that we are looking for certain types of player who play a certain way, not necessarily the most talented, so that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Finally, we already have Melo and no big time free agents wanted to come here to play with him. So what advantage does keeping him gain us? It's always going to be difficult prying the top free agents from other teams - especially teams that already are winning - because their present team can always pay them the most money. That's what the NBA wants and that's what the CBA is designed to accomplish. So yeah, it's always going to be somewhat difficult getting FAs to come here no matter whether Melo's here or not.
2. Melo's not going anywhere unless he wants or agrees to be traded because it's just not working out here for both parties. So I don't understand your use of the term "need" to trade Melo to get first round draft choice. The "need" to trade Melo would be because his game is not fitting in with what Phil is trying to do here and everybody is unhappy. And we'll know soon enough. The issue, as I see it, is what can we get back for Melo in any deal and that will depend on the market out there for his services and the available assets we can get in either a two-team or three-team trade. And neither of us can predict at this time what opportunities will be out there in the future. Parenthetically, I don't understand how you put a player like Jerian Grant, our pick at no. 19 who could be an All-Star caliber for many years to come and a core in the future of the Knicks, in the same catatory as an aging soon to be retired Pablo Prigioni? Really Grant=Prigioni? I don't get that one.
3. As for "addition by subjection," that just my POV. You like Melo better than I do, I know, and we'll see what happens this year. The proof will be in the pudding. I happen to think that by getting rid of someone who I consider to be a selfish player who doesn't fit our system IMO is just that. His presence as a over 30 year old player who is breaking down will impede our progress as a team especially in a couple of years. But as time goes on, his trade value will decelerate. Personally, and we debated this issue back then along the same lines, Phil's only mistake or his biggest mistake was him resigning Melo to begin with.
But what do I know? We'll see how this all shakes out. Maybe I'll be eating humble pie ... or you will.
