Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[HerSports85]

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[Worst_to_First]

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I know it’s hard to pass on AD if we are able to get him but my heart is really with the kids

Same here.

We need to have two very good shooters alongside RJ, DSJ and Mitch.

Hope Knox and Dot further improves in this aspect. Frank as well if we decide to keep him.

[NYF13]

I have an idea.

If Knicks don’t get AD in trade because the asking price is way too much, I think we should trade the two Dallas FRPs and Trier to PHX for the 6th pick.

Trier went to school in ARI and we can possibly get Culver or Reddish.

DsJr
RJ
Culver
Knox
Mitch

Knicks aren't going to make that type of trade thats rip off especially in a bad draft.

What you talking about? It’s a balanced trade. Whatever!

[moocow007]

Again stop with the craziness. Take the clear best guy and move on. You don't draft a Jack of all trades (master of none) strong 3rd option with good defense and passing instincts (but has mitten hands) with the 3rd overall pick I don't care where you're team is at in the development lifecycle.

This is the same silliness for those folks who was talking up Kris Dunn (remember?) about how he was going to be a great franchise PG with "lockdown defense". This despite me saying till I was blue in the face the **** has poor handles and, as a result can't create shots for himself or run an offense in the NBA..or do much of anything on offense and instead would struggle finding a role in the NBA.

The reason why Culver struggled so badly in the tournament is because he has mitten hands. Hell never be able to create his own offense in the NBA. And considering hes not a shooter, that's not a good sign for a no.3 overall pick (assuming the Knicks are dopey enough to draft him).

The Knicks would be better off just drafting Hunter if defense was what they're looking for as Hunter (who also shoots 3's real well) is a much better defender than Culver.

Culver's passing? Barrett is a better passer. Honestly Barret projects to be a better defender as well when matched up against quicker and more athletic players in the NBA.

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[Richard4444]

I have an idea.

If Knicks don’t get AD in trade because the asking price is way too much, I think we should trade the two Dallas FRPs and Trier to PHX for the 6th pick.

Trier went to school in ARI and we can possibly get Culver or Reddish.

DsJr
RJ
Culver
Knox
Mitch

Knicks aren't going to make that type of trade thats rip off especially in a bad draft.

What you talking about? It’s a balanced trade. Whatever!

Its a win now 3 for 1 trade. And we dont know if the chosen one is even much better than Trier.

[Richard4444]

RJ Barret showed us that he is very dynamic. He is capable to be an average NBA defender, shooter, driver and playmaker. The problem is efficiency. I am not sure if he can excel in any of his skill. He may turn out in a Ingram or a Wiggins.

I am open to trade down for 8,10 and 17. Specially if Hunter or Culver is avaliable at 8, NO denies our bid for AD and we sign some Max FAs. Because if we are in a win now mode we will not waste time to develop RJ game and a 3D wing can be more useful.

[moocow007]

RJ Barret showed us that he is very dynamic. He is capable to be an average NBA defender, shooter, driver and playmaker. The problem is efficiency. I am not sure if he can excel in some of his skill. He may turn out in a Ingram or a Wiggins.

I am open to trade down for 8,10 and 17. Specially if Hunter or Culver is avaliable at 8, NO denies our bid for AD and we sign some Max FAs. Because if we are in a win now mode we will not waste time to develop RJ game and a 3D wing can be more useful.

The Knicks would be in win now mode if and only if they sign Durant. At which point Barrett would be a better trade asset than a gaggle of lesser players in a deal for another teams star. Talent is the best asset in the NBA these days. Offensive talent especially. It would not make best sense to get Durant and keep Barrett.

If the Knicks strike out in signing Durant, they aren't going to be in any win now mode. And if that happens the Knicks will still be one of the least talented teams in the NBA and among the most inept offensive teams. Opinion? No...fact. that's what they were this past season, that's why they only won 17 games. Barrett is the best talent in the draft at 3. Why would the Knicks, in a none win now mode, want to compile more young role players and depth when that's the one thing they have right now (a lot of secondary or tertiary young players)?

The only circumstance where drafting the most talented player at 3 is not the best idea is if a team like the Pelicans for some unknown reason decide they don't want or need more top talent and instead want to start collecting more depth...and asks the Knicks to do something else other than keep at 3 and draft Barrett for them.

It's funny that folks are looking under rocks and spending such energy trying to find faults with Barrett and yet not spending anywhere near the effort or energy to find all the faults with the rest of the guys in the lottery (and all of them have a lot more faults that would indicate that their chances at success in the NBA is a lot less).

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[Richard4444]

RJ Barret showed us that he is very dynamic. He is capable to be an average NBA defender, shooter, driver and playmaker. The problem is efficiency. I am not sure if he can excel in some of his skill. He may turn out in a Ingram or a Wiggins.

I am open to trade down for 8,10 and 17. Specially if Hunter or Culver is avaliable at 8, NO denies our bid for AD and we sign some Max FAs. Because if we are in a win now mode we will not waste time to develop RJ game and a 3D wing can be more useful.

The Knicks would be in win now mode if and only if they sign Durant. At which point Barrett would be a better trade asset than a gaggle of lesser players in a deal for another teams star. Talent is the best asset in the NBA these days. Offensive talent especially. It would not make best sense to get Durant and keep Barrett.

If the Knicks strike out in signing Durant, they aren't going to be in any win now mode. And if that happens the Knicks will still be one of the least talented teams in the NBA and among the most inept offensive teams. Opinion? No...fact. that's what they were this past season, that's why they only won 17 games. Barrett is the best talent in the draft at 3. Why would the Knicks, in a none win now mode, want to compile more young role players and depth when that's the one thing they have right now (a lot of secondary or tertiary young players)?

The only circumstance where drafting the most talented player at 3 is not the best idea is if a team like the Pelicans for some unknown reason decide they don't want it need talent and instead need depth...and ask the Knicks to do something else than keep at 3 and draft Barrett.

It's funny that folks are looking under rocks and spending such energy trying to find faults with Barrett and yet not spending anywhere near the effort or energy to find all the faults with the rest of the guys in the lottery (and all if them have a lot more faults).

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If every player in the draft (except Zion) has faults and a there not a sure star, the best aproach may be to draft 3 guys instead one. We have 3 shots to find a great player.

Specially if we are seeking for efficient "role players" and some of the best prospects become avaliable at 8.

I dont like very much the idea of trading RJ in any deal (except AD) because I want to avoid overpay for another star. Or they will demand a package with a 4 or 5 assets or Mitch.

[Worst_to_First]

If Ja falls to us, I am calling up Phoenix to trade down.

I’d also call up the Bulls as well.

The team that could give us Cam Reddish/DeAndre Hunter and an unprotected 2020 pick wins.

Add Nas to the mix also. I really think he’s gonna be a major steal

I heard that your guy Nas did really well in the Celtics workout.

Boston might have to consolidate their picks in this draft to move up to get him.

[Worst_to_First]

Add Nas to the mix also. I really think he’s gonna be a major steal

If the Hawks are really in love with Reddish we could then flip #6 to them for 10 and 17.

With those picks we could get Nas and possibly Romeo Langford.

Mitch
Knox
Nas
Langford
DSJ

My dream team...

Then we get Wiseman next year, make Knox our Rudy Gay off the bench.

DSJ
Langford
Nas
Wiseman
Mitch

The top of the 2020 draft class is dope.

Who do you have between Anthony Edwards and RJ Hampton? For me the Ant-Man for now.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[Fat]

culver's ability to create his own shot is much worse than rj.

i have no faith in either of these guys actually creating a shot on the perimeter in the NBA. but i at least have more faith in RJ being able to get pass his defender and not settle for a jumpshot

Culver/knox are average athletes i just dont see that tandem working out to good but i could be wrong and culver could actually surprise folks. Not a fan of being the team to find that out though.

i probably wouldnt even be that high on RJ if he had looked lack luster when zion was out but he had some good games in that stretch were talking about 26pts 12 rebs / 30pts 7 assit type games so that is a good sign for me because that duke roster is pretty trash without zion.

[Worst_to_First]

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I see Kristaps Porzingis in his game but never went far to compare Bol Bol to Kevin Durant.

[Thugger HBC]

I'm gonna be team "trade down" til the draft is over. Not that I don't believe in RJ, but really just want more bang for the pick.

There's two guys lower in the draft I'd love to have in such a scenario. Cam and Bol Bol.

I do believe one of these three imo will be a top 5 player from this draft class.

Cam imo should be higher in the draft and I wouldnt fault the Knicks if they drafted him at 3. i think he is that good.

Bol Bol only concerns me with a risk of injury. Keep working on that jumper and handles and find a way to beef up that frame.

[DOT]

I'm gonna be team "trade down" til the draft is over. Not that I don't believe in RJ, but really just want more bang for the pick.

There's two guys lower in the draft I'd love to have in such a scenario. Cam and Bol Bol.

I do believe one of these three imo will be a top 5 player from this draft class.

Cam imo should be higher in the draft and I wouldnt fault the Knicks if they drafted him at 3. i think he is that good.

Bol Bol only concerns me with a risk of injury. Keep working on that jumper and handles and find a way to beef up that frame.

I think the big thing with Cam for me is that he's really not that far off from Knox

Knox gets the edge in offense, while they both were as efficient as each other, Knox had an undefined role and was generally creating for himself, while Cam was always the 3rd option and worked off of others, which should have made him more efficient, but it didn't

Cam's better on defense, but he's not great at it, just good

And the biggest thing is, Knox is only 3 weeks older than him, they're basically the same age

I don't mean to say Cam isn't a good prospect, just that he's about the same as who we got at 9 last year (which was seen as a reach by many), so picking him at 3, or even top 6 just seems like bad asset management

[Thugger HBC]

I'm gonna be team "trade down" til the draft is over. Not that I don't believe in RJ, but really just want more bang for the pick.

There's two guys lower in the draft I'd love to have in such a scenario. Cam and Bol Bol.

I do believe one of these three imo will be a top 5 player from this draft class.

Cam imo should be higher in the draft and I wouldnt fault the Knicks if they drafted him at 3. i think he is that good.

Bol Bol only concerns me with a risk of injury. Keep working on that jumper and handles and find a way to beef up that frame.

I think the big thing with Cam for me is that he's really not that far off from Knox

Knox gets the edge in offense, while they both were as efficient as each other, Knox had an undefined role and was generally creating for himself, while Cam was always the 3rd option and worked off of others, which should have made him more efficient, but it didn't

Cam's better on defense, but he's not great at it, just good

And the biggest thing is, Knox is only 3 weeks older than him, they're basically the same age

I don't mean to say Cam isn't a good prospect, just that he's about the same as who we got at 9 last year (which was seen as a reach by many), so picking him at 3, or even top 6 just seems like bad asset management

I tend not to compare what's available vs what we have already. It doesn't factor into my personal viewpoints at all. I'm strictly talented acquisition and getting max returns from the draft regardless of position. But for the record, Knox plays the 4 in my scenario, Cam would be a 3 or a big two. i see nothing really comparable in the two other than being 19.

Cam imo, has much more to offer than what was shown at Duke, I truly believe that. His effiency I'm not really concerned with as he was relegated to shooting more threes than twos, but has a more diverse game than that.

To be honest, none of the Duke players displayed efficient shooting ability. If Zion was relegated to shooting at a 2-1 ratio of his shots being threes to two's, he wouldn't be the consensus #1 pick.

It's just in my scenario, which I know wont be a poular one, I'm swinging for two over the fence instead of banking on just one, which I dont think has a clear advatage over several below.

[3toheadmelo]

I’d also call up the Bulls as well.

The team that could give us Cam Reddish/DeAndre Hunter and an unprotected 2020 pick wins.

Add Nas to the mix also. I really think he’s gonna be a major steal

I heard that your guy Nas did really well in the Celtics workout.

Boston might have to consolidate their picks in this draft to move up to get him.

Ima be mad if they get Nas. First they get Tatum and now him?

[3toheadmelo]

If the Hawks are really in love with Reddish we could then flip #6 to them for 10 and 17.

With those picks we could get Nas and possibly Romeo Langford.

Mitch
Knox
Nas
Langford
DSJ

My dream team...

Then we get Wiseman next year, make Knox our Rudy Gay off the bench.

DSJ
Langford
Nas
Wiseman
Mitch

The top of the 2020 draft class is dope.

Who do you have between Anthony Edwards and RJ Hampton? For me the Ant-Man for now.

Yeah I think I would go with Ant man too but a very slight edge to him. I’m really high on Hampton. He’s gonna be really good.

Recently I was looking at other top players in the draft and DX has this French guard going top 4. He is basically everything we wanted Frank to be. I wish he was in the 2017 draft lol. 6-5 guard that can do it all.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Im not high on Cam. He still has plenty of room to get better and time to figure it out. But he was too inconsistent and struggled a little too much for me. I would think in the nba he might be more of a role player or #3 type guy at best. He really struggled in that role at Duke though.

I would be disappointed if we end up with him.

[HarthorneWingo]

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I see Kristaps Porzingis in his game but never went far to compare Bol Bol to Kevin Durant.

Interesting comparison. Hadn’t thought of it either. But Bol is an athletic freak. He’s got a little girth to his legs which bodes well for him. He’s a little narrow in the shoulders but his length, quickness, and athleticism should help make up for it.

I’ve left Team RJ and gone back De’Andre Hunter as a solid pick and now Bol Bol if we go for upside and beginning to lean in his favor. Would love it even more if we could somehow get both.

Can you imagine how much fun it would be to watch Mitch and Bol out on the court TOGETHER? That would be crazy.