Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[Oscirus]

Knicks going to make a run at Jarrett Culver next?

Has Culver changed from being a poor man's rj since he's been on minmesota?

[Jeffrey]

I'm a bit slow and not a huge follower of the knicks, but ... you have grimes. Why do you need reddish? Don't they do the same thing? Is reddish a superior grimes that the knicks desperately need? I mean I do understand you can have multiple guys with similar skillsets...but why the need for reddish?

Honestly there is probably something I am missing.

Reddish is the superior scorer and is a wing. Grimes is a combo guard.

I don't know. I actually think Cam needs to tone his game down and play more like Grimes. Flipside the real value comes in regards to versatility. RJ can be matched against SG or SF a little bit easier depending on the match up.

Grimes at SG
RJ at SF

RJ at SG
Cam at SF

Physically Cam has the body to be a plus defender, shoot 3's, pass and drive to the basket. Same thing as Grimes, but they can let RJ not have to focus on the toughest assignments and force teams to put certain guys on RJ defensively that can let Thibs mess more with mismatches.

The only thing neither does that would be helpful is just act as a cutter/offball threat. They are both pretty good at being open 3 pt shooters, but imagine if they actively moved around and used their gravity to open up driving lanes or get open themselves.

But he don't want that. He doesn't want to be a spot up shooter, he wants to be part of the main attraction. Even ATL GM said it.

I'm all for it a few years ago but this is Thibs we're talking about.

[Jalen Bluntson]

going to watch cam defense on youtube

I would share it but I don't know how to post Twitter twats. There's a really cool thread though breaking down his positives and negatives. @ApachecoNBA

[Esq-4]

Can Cam play some time at the 4? Thinking ahead in case Randle or Obi get moved.

[DaGawd]

Can Cam play some time at the 4? Thinking ahead in case Randle or Obi get moved.

In todays NBA absolutely

[Jose7]

aye where’s the Knicks askedRJ about this quote / story / source would love to see it

[DowNY]

Can Cam play some time at the 4? Thinking ahead in case Randle or Obi get moved.

In todays NBA absolutely

Word. Lebron playing Center these days. Lol

Pretty sure Cam & Obi are the same height also.

[evevale]

Can Cam play some time at the 4? Thinking ahead in case Randle or Obi get moved.

cam has played a lot of his time at the 4 for atl and that's the position many of the fans thought he fit best

that being said tom will either have him starting at pg next week or send him down to the gleague where no one will ever see or hear from him again

[BugginOut]

I'm a bit slow and not a huge follower of the knicks, but ... you have grimes. Why do you need reddish? Don't they do the same thing? Is reddish a superior grimes that the knicks desperately need? I mean I do understand you can have multiple guys with similar skillsets...but why the need for reddish?

Honestly there is probably something I am missing.

Grimes is 6'4" and plays like a guard
Cam is 6'8" and can guard taller SF's

IQ and Grimes overlap in one way. IQ and Burks overlap in another. Burks and Grimes overlap, RJ and Fournier, RJ and Cam etc etc etc

It's about getting taller, more athletic, more potential talent and building up some redundancy of ability so a future trade where assets go out, a logical, decent team is still left over.

Exactly we are at the point that we have too many young players to throw in one deal as a team won’t have that many roster spots. We can trade 3 of our young talent in a superstar trade (for example Obi, IQ, Reddish) and still have RJ, Mitch, Deuce and Grimes left over who could immediately be rotation players.

This is not even counting Sims and Rokas who have potential to be rotation pieces as well

[DowNY]

Btw, for those mad about trading that Charlotte pick….I expect more draft pick dealing. We have 3 picks this coming weak draft and ain’t no way we’re overloading on youth like we’re OKC.
RJ, IQ, Cam, Grimes, Obi, Deuce & Sims. Probably Mitch back. Not adding 3 more rookies.

We need to target those type of small market or rebuilding teams in deals though. They’ll take the picks.

[Gravy]

Cam being out for a while means the anticipation will build to unrealistic levels. He's going to have to look like prime T-Mac

[DaGawd]

Cam being out for a while means the anticipation will build to unrealistic levels. He's going to have to look like prime T-Mac

I’ll settle for first game Knicks TMac

[robillionaire]

The best teams in this league built through the draft.

They didn't trade all their assets for 'disgruntled' volume scorers and hoped that they can make a first round playoff berth.

The nets are the best team in the league. They had nothing, they traded a first round pick for d’Angelo russell a disgruntled volume scorer on LA, he became an all-star, they made a first round playoff birth barely over .500, then KD and Kyrie came and they traded for harden

Meanwhile in that same time span we “built through the draft” like a small market poverty franchise and got Frank Knox and nothing. They play in the same city we do. We could have done the same thing.

I knew when I made the post you would jump right to the Nets. Really another overly simplistic way to look at something.

The Nets traded Jarrett Allen and Levert + picks to get Harden. Those are guys they drafted and developed. The Nets are also essentially the last team to building through free agency. That doesn't happen anymore. Superstars do not make big moves in free agency anymore.

And the most important note of all - we've tried the free agency route for the better part of a decade. It hasn't worked. Nobody wants to sign here with Dolan running the show.

The Bulls were built primarily through good trades but they had a major signing in Derozan which turned out even better than even the most positive expected it to turn out. However the Bulls ceiling isn't high. They traded 2 firsts for Vucevic so they have to win in the next 3 seasons or they're a bust.

Every team at the top of the conference - Warriors, Bucks, Suns, Grizzlies, Jazz - and even the good teams like 76ers, Cavaliers, Hornets, Raptors, Nuggets, Timberwolves, etc - built through the draft and trades.

We've never built through the daft. We have always half-assed every rebuild. Having terrible decision makers like Perry/Mills draft Frank and Knox should not be the reason why you don't build through the draft. It's an incredibly shortsighted and slanted way to look at the situation.

It’s simplistic but sometimes the answer is simple. You have a team in New York. Don’t be crap and people will come and play for your team. We insist on being crap. The nets tried to “treadmill” and stars came because they showed a slight flash of not being incompetent.

So you claimwe never really built through the draft because they half-assed it. Well, they half-assed free agency. We only tried the free agency route while being crap. Being the worst team in the nba and clearing cap space is half-assing free agency. Of course it didn’t work. We never tried the free agency route with people who don’t have brain worms running the team. It’s simplistic to say it won’t because “Dolan”

we drafted an all-star in 2015. And he demanded a trade because the team was so bad. We can probably chalk that up to Dolan too. If it applies to free agents not wanting to come than apply it to any good rookie wanting to stay

[WargamesX]

Btw, for those mad about trading that Charlotte pick….I expect more draft pick dealing. We have 3 picks this coming weak draft and ain’t no way we’re overloading on youth like we’re OKC.
RJ, IQ, Cam, Grimes, Obi, Deuce & Sims. Probably Mitch back. Not adding 3 more rookies.

We need to target those types of small markets or rebuilding teams in deals though. They’ll take the picks.

Do you have some teams in mind? The only one I can think of is maybe Jerami Grant from Detroit. It sounds like the Pacers are not being cheap when it comes to selling their assets

[Synciere]

So yall want a point guard in Fox for a power forward in Randle, as if we don't have four point guards already???

Kemba, Rose, IQ, and McBride and we bring in Fox on a max deal????

[god shammgod]

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thibs making it seem like he won't crack the rotation and grimes will be out of it too

[DOT]

So yall want a point guard in Fox for a power forward in Randle, as if we don't have four point guards already???

Kemba, Rose, IQ, and McBride and we bring in Fox on a max deal????

Rose is the only one who can consistently get to the rim

Kemba's knees can't handle more than 2 good games in a row without 2 weeks of rest

Quick is inconsistent and more of a combo guard even when he's on

McBride is more of a Pat Bev type

Long term, the only one on the roster who should stay at point is McBride, and even then he's only a point in the sense he should be guarding opponent's PGs, we'd still need a playmaker at guard next to him. Fox fits what we need, that drive and kick game from the PG position which we don't have. Doesn't have to be Fox, he definitely has issues especially with poor shooting and being on a max deal, but that's the type of guard we need.

[SelbyCobra]

This Cam trade is fun for discussion, and also to dream on, but taking a wide angle view of this I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks just straight up blew it and gave up a 22 year old guy who goes on to become a valuable player in the league.

Wolves did on Wiggins

Wiggins had to go to one of the better run organizations in the league and needed to play next to an MVP caliber player to become a good role player though

And I wouldn't pay 30 million for him, even in his current state.

Both good points. A problem with the comp though is that the timeline Wiggins needed in his perfect storm situation extends well beyond the 1.5 seasons the Knicks have with Cam before they have to pay him. And to top it off, if you read scouting reports of Cam at the draft, they're very similar to what we're saying about him right now, almost 3 years later.

I'll be rooting like hell for him to get right because god DAMN his potential final form is intoxicating, but I think it'd be a once in a lifetime type transformation if it actually happened.

[G_K_F]

The nets are the best team in the league. They had nothing, they traded a first round pick for d’Angelo russell a disgruntled volume scorer on LA, he became an all-star, they made a first round playoff birth barely over .500, then KD and Kyrie came and they traded for harden

Meanwhile in that same time span we “built through the draft” like a small market poverty franchise and got Frank Knox and nothing. They play in the same city we do. We could have done the same thing.

I knew when I made the post you would jump right to the Nets. Really another overly simplistic way to look at something.

The Nets traded Jarrett Allen and Levert + picks to get Harden. Those are guys they drafted and developed. The Nets are also essentially the last team to building through free agency. That doesn't happen anymore. Superstars do not make big moves in free agency anymore.

And the most important note of all - we've tried the free agency route for the better part of a decade. It hasn't worked. Nobody wants to sign here with Dolan running the show.

The Bulls were built primarily through good trades but they had a major signing in Derozan which turned out even better than even the most positive expected it to turn out. However the Bulls ceiling isn't high. They traded 2 firsts for Vucevic so they have to win in the next 3 seasons or they're a bust.

Every team at the top of the conference - Warriors, Bucks, Suns, Grizzlies, Jazz - and even the good teams like 76ers, Cavaliers, Hornets, Raptors, Nuggets, Timberwolves, etc - built through the draft and trades.

We've never built through the daft. We have always half-assed every rebuild. Having terrible decision makers like Perry/Mills draft Frank and Knox should not be the reason why you don't build through the draft. It's an incredibly shortsighted and slanted way to look at the situation.

It’s simplistic but sometimes the answer is simple. You have a team in New York. Don’t be crap and people will come and play for your team. We insist on being crap. The nets tried to “treadmill” and stars came because they showed a slight flash of not being incompetent.

So you claimwe never really built through the draft because they half-assed it. Well, they half-assed free agency. We only tried the free agency route while being crap. Being the worst team in the nba and clearing cap space is half-assing free agency. Of course it didn’t work. We never tried the free agency route with people who don’t have brain worms running the team. It’s simplistic to say it won’t because “Dolan”

we drafted an all-star in 2015. And he demanded a trade because the team was so bad. We can probably chalk that up to Dolan too. If it applies to free agents not wanting to come than apply it to any good rookie wanting to stay

The answer isn't simple because the Knicks have done it your way and went nowhere. They traded for 'disgruntled' players, volume scorers, low IQ players, aging all stars, etc. None of it has worked. That's why they have been 'crap'. The patient way is the best way as long as you have a smart front office. The issue is Dolan hasn't hired anyone good in the front office because he is too busy hiring his friends or celebrities to run the team.

[2010]

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thibs making it seem like he won't crack the rotation and grimes will be out of it too

He basically telling Leon to make another trade.