Official Knicks Coaching Search Thread

[aq_ua]

The Mavs could have pursued compensation for Carlisle but decided not to out of respect for his contributions to the team.

You know we would be paying something if we get one of those currently employed coaches.

What would the compensation be? A 2RP?

Last time Kidd was traded from the Nets to bucks it was two picks in the second round.

1. Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

Dunleavy, Sr. was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

The Lakers were looking to make a change in the post-Magic Johnson era, while the Bucks were looking for a strong head coach.

2. Pat Riley.

Pat Riley left the New York Knicks for the Miami Heat in 1995.

The NBA investigated the Heat and Riley for tampering, and eventually decided that the Knicks should be compensated with a first-round pick, as well as $1 million cash.

3. Stan Van Gundy.

In 2007, Van Gundy was traded from the Miami Heat to the Orlando Magic.

The agreed-upon price for Van Gundy was two 2nd round picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

4. Doc Rivers.

In 2013, five years after leading the Boston Celtics to a title, Doc Rivers was traded from the Celtics to the Los Angeles Clippers for a 2015 1st-round pick.

Despite having a loaded team and Doc Rivers as their coach, the Clippers were unable to win a title.

5. Jason Kidd.

In 2014, the Brooklyn Nets traded Jason Kidd to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

It's been quite a while since the practice of trading coaches was a thing. Draft picks are too valuable now.
My broader point was that firing Thibs and then starting a coaching search inclusive of coaches under contract isn't a new or novel thing, especially if firing Thibs was a forgone conclusion by the end of the season.

[prophet_of_rage]

Not disagreeing with your overall assessment but I blame the front office for Kuminga and Moody being not very good picks

Kuminga is a great pick. You see what he does when given the chsnce. Kerr doesn't particularly like him.

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Not sure about his consistency. But he's a free agent right? Might he be a good choice for the athletic back-up forward we need behind OG and Mikal?

We can't affors Kuminga. He's a kid that gets 20 and 10 with 24 minutes.

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[god shammgod]

From the Athletic

So dolan wanted him fired most of all….and they had no plan after. Of course, I’m sure people won’t believe this either.

The article states that he was going to be fired either way unless he won the title. That was always the plan.

It also says that Rose and WWW wanted him gone as well, in addition to Dolan, yes, but not because of Dolan.

The rest I guess will be figured out.

So they had months to prepare for this

[Synciere]

The media is overreacting quite a bit, i feel like regardless of what the knicks did, the media was going to find a way to make it negative. if the knicks fired thibs and then hired somebody the nexy day, the media would find a way to spin it in a negative way by saying we never did a proper coaching search. so lets relax and let Leon and the rest of the Org do their jobs. leave no stone unturned!

I’m usually in the minority and rarely react like the media, but my first response upon hearing they’d let Thibs go was they must’ve had someone on deck. Now that we know they didn’t, I find the media’s response to be both predictable and reasonable.

[mpharris36]

The media is overreacting quite a bit, i feel like regardless of what the knicks did, the media was going to find a way to make it negative. if the knicks fired thibs and then hired somebody the nexy day, the media would find a way to spin it in a negative way by saying we never did a proper coaching search. so lets relax and let Leon and the rest of the Org do their jobs. leave no stone unturned!

I’m usually in the minority and rarely react like the media, but my first response upon hearing they’d let Thibs go was they must’ve had someone on deck. Now that we know they didn’t, I find the media’s response to be both predictable and reasonable.

I think we are starting to find out as more news is coming out that this wasn't a spur of the moment situation. They have (meaining FO, Dolan, and majority of players) have been out on Thibs for a while (years almost). But everyone was finally all aligned this offseason.'

So it wasn't a firing because we had a replacement lined up...it was firing because we didn't want Thibs anymore and we would go through a process to figure out a new coach.

[HEZI]

So dolan wanted him fired most of all….and they had no plan after. Of course, I’m sure people won’t believe this either.

The article states that he was going to be fired either way unless he won the title. That was always the plan.

It also says that Rose and WWW wanted him gone as well, in addition to Dolan, yes, but not because of Dolan.

The rest I guess will be figured out.

So they had months to prepare for this

Not only that but the story is bogus because why did Dolan need to sit with the players for exit interview when he wanted Thibs gone long ago? Why did Leon need the green light from Dolan when he always had it?

[BKlutch]

Dolan intervened so they had to. It wasn’t about them wanting to

I've seen this a few times. It seems like this is an opinion - where is a reliable source for this?

From the Athletic

Firing Tom Thibodeau was the plan.

For all of you who keep wondering what coaching search playbook the New York Knicks are working from, confused by the fact that they didn’t have a realistic replacement in mind when they fired the most successful coach in their last quarter century on June 3 and are now trying to steal other team’s head coaches as if this is an episode of “NBA Bachelor,” you’re missing the revelation here.

The Knicks, and owner James Dolan most of all, were done with Thibodeau long before he led them to their first East finals appearance since 2000. Everything that came after the choice to send him packing, with the Knicks having now been denied permission to speak to another team’s head coach five times (that we know of), was a wild goose chase the likes of which we’ve never seen in the Association.

Now the coaches who were pursued are all very capable and widely-respected, to be sure, but the fact that the Knicks have chosen to conduct the search in such an audacious manner tells you all you need to know about the root cause of this ridiculousness. They were done with Thibs a while ago — never mind that he led the way on a historic run and was reportedly still owed at least $30 million on his deal. And chances are, the only thing that could have saved him was winning the whole damn thing.

The rumblings about Thibodeau being in trouble were there before the playoffs, when the noise was loud enough to inspire several phone calls from yours truly to inquire about this topic. Some people close to Thibodeau said they’d be stunned if the Knicks did something that rash. Others close to the Knicks insisted that all was well — especially once they downed Detroit in the first round and upset the defending champion Celtics in the semifinals.

While Dolan is the holder of supreme Knicks power, and team president Leon Rose is the undisputed leader of the front office, executive vice president William Wesley (aka “Worldwide Wes”) continues to have the kind of influence that matters a great deal during times like these.

Happy to see someone with real info reports this is how it went down. I cannot believe that Rose would stay in a job where Dolan calls the personnel shots. at such a critical juncture. But Dolan wanting eyes on what's happening in real time for such a big move, that's what he should be doing. He probably told Leon, "Yeah, go do your thing. You're right." Dolan sitting with them doesn't at all prove he was running the show.

[spree8]

The article states that he was going to be fired either way unless he won the title. That was always the plan.

It also says that Rose and WWW wanted him gone as well, in addition to Dolan, yes, but not because of Dolan.

The rest I guess will be figured out.

So they had months to prepare for this

Not only that but the story is bogus because why did Dolan need to sit with the players for exit interview when he wanted Thibs gone long ago? Why did Leon need the green light from Dolan when he always had it?

Because it’s his 30 million dollars Leon wants to throw away

[Fury]

The article states that he was going to be fired either way unless he won the title. That was always the plan.

It also says that Rose and WWW wanted him gone as well, in addition to Dolan, yes, but not because of Dolan.

The rest I guess will be figured out.

So they had months to prepare for this

Not only that but the story is bogus because why did Dolan need to sit with the players for exit interview when he wanted Thibs gone long ago? Why did Leon need the green light from Dolan when he always had it?

What are you saying?

[Capn'O]

I still find it weird that they signed him to an extension with all these questions hanging and that they're asking teams if they can have their quality head coach when the answer is obviously "no, and it's kinda weird that you're even asking." None of this really matters though. Just sign somebody good.

[GONYK]

I've seen this a few times. It seems like this is an opinion - where is a reliable source for this?

From the Athletic

Firing Tom Thibodeau was the plan.

For all of you who keep wondering what coaching search playbook the New York Knicks are working from, confused by the fact that they didn’t have a realistic replacement in mind when they fired the most successful coach in their last quarter century on June 3 and are now trying to steal other team’s head coaches as if this is an episode of “NBA Bachelor,” you’re missing the revelation here.

The Knicks, and owner James Dolan most of all, were done with Thibodeau long before he led them to their first East finals appearance since 2000. Everything that came after the choice to send him packing, with the Knicks having now been denied permission to speak to another team’s head coach five times (that we know of), was a wild goose chase the likes of which we’ve never seen in the Association.

Now the coaches who were pursued are all very capable and widely-respected, to be sure, but the fact that the Knicks have chosen to conduct the search in such an audacious manner tells you all you need to know about the root cause of this ridiculousness. They were done with Thibs a while ago — never mind that he led the way on a historic run and was reportedly still owed at least $30 million on his deal. And chances are, the only thing that could have saved him was winning the whole damn thing.

The rumblings about Thibodeau being in trouble were there before the playoffs, when the noise was loud enough to inspire several phone calls from yours truly to inquire about this topic. Some people close to Thibodeau said they’d be stunned if the Knicks did something that rash. Others close to the Knicks insisted that all was well — especially once they downed Detroit in the first round and upset the defending champion Celtics in the semifinals.

While Dolan is the holder of supreme Knicks power, and team president Leon Rose is the undisputed leader of the front office, executive vice president William Wesley (aka “Worldwide Wes”) continues to have the kind of influence that matters a great deal during times like these.

Happy to see someone with real info reports this is how it went down. I cannot believe that Rose would stay in a job where Dolan calls the personnel shots. at such a critical juncture. But Dolan wanting eyes on what's happening in real time for such a big move, that's what he should be doing. He probably told Leon, "Yeah, go do your thing. You're right." Dolan sitting with them doesn't at all prove he was running the show.

Ian Begley was very adamant in reporting yesterday that Dolan gave Leon the greenlight to fire Thibs on 2 previous occasions and Leon opted to keep Thibs those times, but if Dolan had forced the firing, Leon would have walked.

[knicksstuff]

What would the compensation be? A 2RP?

Last time Kidd was traded from the Nets to bucks it was two picks in the second round.

1. Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

Dunleavy, Sr. was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

The Lakers were looking to make a change in the post-Magic Johnson era, while the Bucks were looking for a strong head coach.

2. Pat Riley.

Pat Riley left the New York Knicks for the Miami Heat in 1995.

The NBA investigated the Heat and Riley for tampering, and eventually decided that the Knicks should be compensated with a first-round pick, as well as $1 million cash.

3. Stan Van Gundy.

In 2007, Van Gundy was traded from the Miami Heat to the Orlando Magic.

The agreed-upon price for Van Gundy was two 2nd round picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

4. Doc Rivers.

In 2013, five years after leading the Boston Celtics to a title, Doc Rivers was traded from the Celtics to the Los Angeles Clippers for a 2015 1st-round pick.

Despite having a loaded team and Doc Rivers as their coach, the Clippers were unable to win a title.

5. Jason Kidd.

In 2014, the Brooklyn Nets traded Jason Kidd to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

It's been quite a while since the practice of trading coaches was a thing. Draft picks are too valuable now.
My broader point was that firing Thibs and then starting a coaching search inclusive of coaches under contract isn't a new or novel thing, especially if firing Thibs was a forgone conclusion by the end of the season.

How do you know that it was inclusive of coaches under contract? Its what the public sees becuase teams are letting the media the knciks asked about their coach. Im not sure how anyone can think the Knicks were only focused on current head coaches

[The KnicksFix]

New day
Time to get rejected by another 5
Bring that total up to a third of the coaches in the league
Cmon Knicks I know we can do it

[GONYK]

Last time Kidd was traded from the Nets to bucks it was two picks in the second round.

1. Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

Dunleavy, Sr. was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

The Lakers were looking to make a change in the post-Magic Johnson era, while the Bucks were looking for a strong head coach.

2. Pat Riley.

Pat Riley left the New York Knicks for the Miami Heat in 1995.

The NBA investigated the Heat and Riley for tampering, and eventually decided that the Knicks should be compensated with a first-round pick, as well as $1 million cash.

3. Stan Van Gundy.

In 2007, Van Gundy was traded from the Miami Heat to the Orlando Magic.

The agreed-upon price for Van Gundy was two 2nd round picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

4. Doc Rivers.

In 2013, five years after leading the Boston Celtics to a title, Doc Rivers was traded from the Celtics to the Los Angeles Clippers for a 2015 1st-round pick.

Despite having a loaded team and Doc Rivers as their coach, the Clippers were unable to win a title.

5. Jason Kidd.

In 2014, the Brooklyn Nets traded Jason Kidd to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

It's been quite a while since the practice of trading coaches was a thing. Draft picks are too valuable now.
My broader point was that firing Thibs and then starting a coaching search inclusive of coaches under contract isn't a new or novel thing, especially if firing Thibs was a forgone conclusion by the end of the season.

How do you know that it was inclusive of coaches under contract? Its what the public sees becuase teams are letting the media the knciks asked about their coach. Im not sure how anyone can think the Knicks were only focused on current head coaches

NBA insiders have said that this happens all the time. The only reason its being reported this time is because it is the Knicks.

[HEZI]

So they had months to prepare for this

Not only that but the story is bogus because why did Dolan need to sit with the players for exit interview when he wanted Thibs gone long ago? Why did Leon need the green light from Dolan when he always had it?

Because it’s his 30 million dollars Leon wants to throw away

Except this part

The Knicks, and owner James Dolan most of all, were done with Thibodeau long before he led them to their first East finals appearance since 2000.

So what you say doesn’t make sense

[spree8]

I still find it weird that they signed him to an extension with all these questions hanging and that they're asking teams if they can have their quality head coach when the answer is obviously "no, and it's kinda weird that you're even asking." None of this really matters though. Just sign somebody good.

I think that was Leon’s way of taking care of his boy Thibs in advance

[GONYK]

New day
Time to get rejected by another 5
Bring that total up to a third of the coaches in the league
Cmon Knicks I know we can do it

This post adds nothing to the discourse

[BKlutch]

I still find it weird that they signed him to an extension with all these questions hanging and why they're asking teams if they can have their quality head coach when the answer is obviously no. None of this really matters though. Just sign somebody good.

This is not only weird but funny. Nobody has told us the actual reason for the extension, but the possibilities include:
- Leon didn't yet see how Thibs failed at the highest levels when the extension was offered. Last year's playoffs elimination is easily explainable by multiple injuries.
- Leon wasn't certain what to do with Thibs, but offered the extension to support Thibs as much as possible so he'd feel empowered to take us to the next level, without worries about being fired (see how that worked out )
- Along with either of the above, Leon doesn't care that much about wasting Dolan's money. After all the good he's done for the team, Leon cares most about being certain he doesn't squander that goodwill by appearing not to care. Bringing Dolan to the meeting says, "See, we learned this about Thibs during the season, so sorry you're kissing your $30M goodbye."

[aq_ua]

Last time Kidd was traded from the Nets to bucks it was two picks in the second round.

1. Mike Dunleavy, Sr.

Dunleavy, Sr. was traded from the Los Angeles Lakers to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

The Lakers were looking to make a change in the post-Magic Johnson era, while the Bucks were looking for a strong head coach.

2. Pat Riley.

Pat Riley left the New York Knicks for the Miami Heat in 1995.

The NBA investigated the Heat and Riley for tampering, and eventually decided that the Knicks should be compensated with a first-round pick, as well as $1 million cash.

3. Stan Van Gundy.

In 2007, Van Gundy was traded from the Miami Heat to the Orlando Magic.

The agreed-upon price for Van Gundy was two 2nd round picks in the 2008 NBA Draft.

4. Doc Rivers.

In 2013, five years after leading the Boston Celtics to a title, Doc Rivers was traded from the Celtics to the Los Angeles Clippers for a 2015 1st-round pick.

Despite having a loaded team and Doc Rivers as their coach, the Clippers were unable to win a title.

5. Jason Kidd.

In 2014, the Brooklyn Nets traded Jason Kidd to the Milwaukee Bucks for two second-round picks.

It's been quite a while since the practice of trading coaches was a thing. Draft picks are too valuable now.
My broader point was that firing Thibs and then starting a coaching search inclusive of coaches under contract isn't a new or novel thing, especially if firing Thibs was a forgone conclusion by the end of the season.

How do you know that it was inclusive of coaches under contract? Its what the public sees becuase teams are letting the media the knciks asked about their coach. Im not sure how anyone can think the Knicks were only focused on current head coaches

I think you might have misread - inclusive just means including current head coaches, not exclusively current head coaches.

[BKlutch]

New day
Time to get rejected by another 5
Bring that total up to a third of the coaches in the league
Cmon Knicks I know we can do it

This post adds nothing to the discourse

5 years ago, this would have been considered optimistic

Every day I'm thankful we're no longer in that dark place.