July 1st Free Agency Begins - Catchall thread

[NBA Fan 1234]

a rebuilding team would have traded their lottery pick to get more help. No, we drafted a 20 year old. I believe in Taps, he won't be able to help us more than say an erik beadsoe. As for "big markets" for melo, if KD has proved anything it's that winning>market you play in for your "brand".

Yes the Cap is jumping, but look at the trend. Star players are not going to cities and states with high income tax, especially to leave their current team because their current team can pay the most. The only places a star player is willing to leave for is a place like texas/florida. A star player is not giving up more money and years to come to a place to pay higher taxes. That is why the cap jump doesn't really help us.

We drafted someone with arguably the most potential in the entire draft. He can also help us this year. Will this pick help us in the future? Yes; but it can also help us in the future. KD might have proven that, but he doesn't appear to be interested in the same stuff Melo is -- remember the stuff last year about making his brand bigger, investments, and all that stuff? Melo is not the same guy KD is - far from it.

Players are not ignoring states with high taxes - they are ignoring **** teams (if you have anything to refute that, you can post it). Us having a good core and a star will help us.

Reach...again. We can agree to disagree because I'm clearly not going to change my mind and you appear to be dead set in yours.

[Rasho Brezec]

Where's that quote in your sig from, Paco? That's terrifying.

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Of course this led into another thread after I locked this one, so I deleted that post...and then got a PM. Trust me, there was more just as bad.

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Yeah, I'm not reading past this.

[GONYK]

Where's that quote in your sig from, Paco? That's terrifying.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1402069#start_here

Of course this led into another thread after I locked this one, so I deleted that post...and then got a PM. Trust me, there was more just as bad.

I really wonder what his rebuttal to big bang is

[stuporman]

If the Knicks and Cavs don't start out winning enough the tension could build in both places with Melo being disgruntled and LeBron wanting to have 'his guys' around him there could be some interest between the two teams for a swap like that. Would Melo put up with Cleveland for a few years to get a ring? I guess if he could handle having to listen to Lala biatch about it he might.

I don't know how I would feel about it, Love seems like one of those fool's gold stars like Melo is, great stats but leaves much to be desired.

[mademan]

If the Knicks and Cavs don't start out winning enough the tension could build in both places with Melo being disgruntled and LeBron wanting to have 'his guys' around him there could be some interest between the two teams for a swap like that. Would Melo put up with Cleveland for a few years to get a ring? I guess if he could handle having to listen to Lala biatch about it he might.

I don't know how I would feel about it, Love seems like one of those fool's gold stars like Melo is, great stats but leaves much to be desired.

CLE's fresh off the finals with a core that ended the year 33-3. I dont think they're gonna be making any rush moves like Love for Melo. It mightve been an option when Love had a chance at bolting, but with him locked up at a 5 year deal (pre cap jump) they have no reason to trade him for anything but a very clear upgrade (like Anthony Davis chit)

[stuporman]

If the Knicks and Cavs don't start out winning enough the tension could build in both places with Melo being disgruntled and LeBron wanting to have 'his guys' around him there could be some interest between the two teams for a swap like that. Would Melo put up with Cleveland for a few years to get a ring? I guess if he could handle having to listen to Lala biatch about it he might.

I don't know how I would feel about it, Love seems like one of those fool's gold stars like Melo is, great stats but leaves much to be desired.

CLE's fresh off the finals with a core that ended the year 33-3. I dont think they're gonna be making any rush moves like Love for Melo. It mightve been an option when Love had a chance at bolting, but with him locked up at a 5 year deal (pre cap jump) they have no reason to trade him for anything but a very clear upgrade (like Anthony Davis chit)

You seem to forget that LeBron is on year to year contract, so the FO is going to do what he wants to keep him happy and if he says get me my guys, Melo and Paul being two of them, they will make that move. Although Love wouldn't mind getting back to socal in a swap for Paul so that is another option if Kyrie wasn't blocking the way, unless it's a Kyrie for Paul deal.

LeBron has huge power over Cleveland FO, if there is any chemistry issues with Love he might have something to say about it. Also the FO isn't going to let 'the future' or age stop them from keeping LeBron in the present, that's going to be their motivation.

[N Y K]

a rebuilding team would have traded their lottery pick to get more help. No, we drafted a 20 year old. I believe in Taps, he won't be able to help us more than say an erik beadsoe. As for "big markets" for melo, if KD has proved anything it's that winning>market you play in for your "brand".

Yes the Cap is jumping, but look at the trend. Star players are not going to cities and states with high income tax, especially to leave their current team because their current team can pay the most. The only places a star player is willing to leave for is a place like texas/florida. A star player is not giving up more money and years to come to a place to pay higher taxes. That is why the cap jump doesn't really help us.

LOL at this nonsense. Taxes? really? 8.82% in NY is the big determining factor?

You do not need a big market to be a star anymore, that is true. But Melo is making way more money as a result of being here.

Players are not leaving more money on the table to join situations that are worse than their current situation. That is a much bigger reason why New York will not benefit immediately. People give this issue wayyyyyy more attention to me than need be.

[mademan]

If the Knicks and Cavs don't start out winning enough the tension could build in both places with Melo being disgruntled and LeBron wanting to have 'his guys' around him there could be some interest between the two teams for a swap like that. Would Melo put up with Cleveland for a few years to get a ring? I guess if he could handle having to listen to Lala biatch about it he might.

I don't know how I would feel about it, Love seems like one of those fool's gold stars like Melo is, great stats but leaves much to be desired.

CLE's fresh off the finals with a core that ended the year 33-3. I dont think they're gonna be making any rush moves like Love for Melo. It mightve been an option when Love had a chance at bolting, but with him locked up at a 5 year deal (pre cap jump) they have no reason to trade him for anything but a very clear upgrade (like Anthony Davis chit)

You seem to forget that LeBron is on year to year contract, so the FO is going to do what he wants to keep him happy and if he says get me my guys, Melo and Paul being two of them, they will make that move. Although Love wouldn't mind getting back to socal in a swap for Paul so that is another option if Kyrie wasn't blocking the way, unless it's a Kyrie for Paul deal.

LeBron has huge power over Cleveland FO, if there is any chemistry issues with Love he might have something to say about it. Also the FO isn't going to let 'the future' or age stop them from keeping LeBron in the present, that's going to be their motivation.

Sure. And if Lebron said trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, the Cavs prolly do that too. Doesn't mean it's likely (or even possible). Beyond that, there's like a 7 mill difference between their contracts, meaning CLE has to add in Varajeo. Trading Love and Lebron's BFF, Varajeo, for a player who might not even be an upgrade and is coming off of knee surgery at the ripe age of 30.....doesnt really make a lot of sense, and i dont see Lebron going for it.

[aq_ua]

Where's that quote in your sig from, Paco? That's terrifying.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1402069#start_here

Of course this led into another thread after I locked this one, so I deleted that post...and then got a PM. Trust me, there was more just as bad.

I really wonder what his rebuttal to big bang is

Fwiw, I don't think Big Bang is still considered main stream science as time is considered a continuum and the universe may simply be going through an expansionary cycle and will eventually revert to a compressive cycle. No Big Bang, the universe just is.

[blanko]

a rebuilding team would have traded their lottery pick to get more help. No, we drafted a 20 year old. I believe in Taps, he won't be able to help us more than say an erik beadsoe. As for "big markets" for melo, if KD has proved anything it's that winning>market you play in for your "brand".

Yes the Cap is jumping, but look at the trend. Star players are not going to cities and states with high income tax, especially to leave their current team because their current team can pay the most. The only places a star player is willing to leave for is a place like texas/florida. A star player is not giving up more money and years to come to a place to pay higher taxes. That is why the cap jump doesn't really help us.

LOL at this nonsense. Taxes? really? 8.82% in NY is the big determining factor?

You do not need a big market to be a star anymore, that is true. But Melo is making way more money as a result of being here.

Players are not leaving more money on the table to join situations that are worse than their current situation. That is a much bigger reason why New York will not benefit immediately. People give this issue wayyyyyy more attention to me than need be.

Actually if you play in NYC you are paying a combined 12.7% income tax. Yes that is a big factor. Remeber Dwight Howard leaving LA for Houston? The lack of city/state tax in houston is one of the major reasons why he could make that switch even tough LA could pay him more per year.

[stuporman]

CLE's fresh off the finals with a core that ended the year 33-3. I dont think they're gonna be making any rush moves like Love for Melo. It mightve been an option when Love had a chance at bolting, but with him locked up at a 5 year deal (pre cap jump) they have no reason to trade him for anything but a very clear upgrade (like Anthony Davis chit)

You seem to forget that LeBron is on year to year contract, so the FO is going to do what he wants to keep him happy and if he says get me my guys, Melo and Paul being two of them, they will make that move. Although Love wouldn't mind getting back to socal in a swap for Paul so that is another option if Kyrie wasn't blocking the way, unless it's a Kyrie for Paul deal.

LeBron has huge power over Cleveland FO, if there is any chemistry issues with Love he might have something to say about it. Also the FO isn't going to let 'the future' or age stop them from keeping LeBron in the present, that's going to be their motivation.

Sure. And if Lebron said trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, the Cavs prolly do that too. Doesn't mean it's likely (or even possible). Beyond that, there's like a 7 mill difference between their contracts, meaning CLE has to add in Varajeo. Trading Love and Lebron's BFF, Varajeo, for a player who might not even be an upgrade and is coming off of knee surgery at the ripe age of 30.....doesnt really make a lot of sense, and i dont see Lebron going for it.

Would you have 'seen' LeBron doing what he did to form the Miami big 3 taking less money? Few would have 'seen' it leading up to him actually doing it. You aren't thinking like him when you say you can't 'see' it, you are thinking like a fan and sorry to burst your bubble, LeBron doesn't think like you. I would tend to agree with you from a fan and even FO point of view but to think of it from LeBron's point of view is where we to take out thoughts to understand the potential.

If he could he would trade Kyrie and Love for Melo and Paul in a hot minute... they would be banana boating their asses off on Lake Erie and winning a title in Cleveland together. Though he does care what the public thinks of him so he's not going to be an ass like that and demand anything but if there is chemistry issues, and I don't know if there will be just saying 'IF', moving one of those two for one of LeBron's buddies is something that we might hear about this season.

People need to stop acting like Melo blew out a knee, he was playing on that injury for quite awhile before he shut it down. It's not the same type injury as people think with knees even if any surgery is still pretty serious.

[NBA Fan 1234]

a rebuilding team would have traded their lottery pick to get more help. No, we drafted a 20 year old. I believe in Taps, he won't be able to help us more than say an erik beadsoe. As for "big markets" for melo, if KD has proved anything it's that winning>market you play in for your "brand".

Yes the Cap is jumping, but look at the trend. Star players are not going to cities and states with high income tax, especially to leave their current team because their current team can pay the most. The only places a star player is willing to leave for is a place like texas/florida. A star player is not giving up more money and years to come to a place to pay higher taxes. That is why the cap jump doesn't really help us.

LOL at this nonsense. Taxes? really? 8.82% in NY is the big determining factor?

You do not need a big market to be a star anymore, that is true. But Melo is making way more money as a result of being here.

Players are not leaving more money on the table to join situations that are worse than their current situation. That is a much bigger reason why New York will not benefit immediately. People give this issue wayyyyyy more attention to me than need be.

Actually if you play in NYC you are paying a combined 12.7% income tax. Yes that is a big factor. Remeber Dwight Howard leaving LA for Houston? The lack of city/state tax in houston is one of the major reasons why he could make that switch even tough LA could pay him more per year.

Where was it said it was a major reason? Everything that was reported was differences with Kobe and simply wanting to play in Houston.

[blanko]

LOL at this nonsense. Taxes? really? 8.82% in NY is the big determining factor?

You do not need a big market to be a star anymore, that is true. But Melo is making way more money as a result of being here.

Players are not leaving more money on the table to join situations that are worse than their current situation. That is a much bigger reason why New York will not benefit immediately. People give this issue wayyyyyy more attention to me than need be.

Actually if you play in NYC you are paying a combined 12.7% income tax. Yes that is a big factor. Remeber Dwight Howard leaving LA for Houston? The lack of city/state tax in houston is one of the major reasons why he could make that switch even tough LA could pay him more per year.

Where was it said it was a major reason? Everything that was reported was differences with Kobe and simply wanting to play in Houston.

He never did (and wisely so) however he didn't loose that much money by taking Houston's max because he didn't have to pay state and city taxes. Heck, Doc Rivers and Jalen Rose were on the record speaking about how it helps.

[Dirkbaka]

Actually if you play in NYC you are paying a combined 12.7% income tax. Yes that is a big factor. Remeber Dwight Howard leaving LA for Houston? The lack of city/state tax in houston is one of the major reasons why he could make that switch even tough LA could pay him more per year.

Where was it said it was a major reason? Everything that was reported was differences with Kobe and simply wanting to play in Houston.

He never did (and wisely so) however he didn't loose that much money by taking Houston's max because he didn't have to pay state and city taxes. Heck, Doc Rivers and Jalen Rose were on the record speaking about how it helps.

I think lack of income tax factors in to free agents decisions. But it is just ONE factor out of many and I don't believe in the top 3.

Dwight was on the record and saying he didn't want to go to Houston when he was trying to weasel his way out of orlando. Houston tried to talk to him but he said he wouldnt resign with them if he got traded. This was before they traded for Harden.

The two teams who he would go to were Nyets and Lakers. Lakers because they had Kobe/Pau/Bynum and Nyets because they had Dwill which at the time was still seen as a top player.

I think these guys look more at team ready made for winning, that has max dollars and also a city they would want to live in. Income tax is nice but no one is going to a team that has 0 pieces.

[Capn'O]

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1402069#start_here

Of course this led into another thread after I locked this one, so I deleted that post...and then got a PM. Trust me, there was more just as bad.

I really wonder what his rebuttal to big bang is

Fwiw, I don't think Big Bang is still considered main stream science as time is considered a continuum and the universe may simply be going through an expansionary cycle and will eventually revert to a compressive cycle. No Big Bang, the universe just is.

And there may be many of them.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Actually if you play in NYC you are paying a combined 12.7% income tax. Yes that is a big factor. Remeber Dwight Howard leaving LA for Houston? The lack of city/state tax in houston is one of the major reasons why he could make that switch even tough LA could pay him more per year.

Where was it said it was a major reason? Everything that was reported was differences with Kobe and simply wanting to play in Houston.

He never did (and wisely so) however he didn't loose that much money by taking Houston's max because he didn't have to pay state and city taxes. Heck, Doc Rivers and Jalen Rose were on the record speaking about how it helps.

So speculation. BTW, every player pays state tax for every state they play in. Not the full amount as far as I know, but they are still paying taxes in every state.

Also, Texas, while it doesn't have an income tax, has the 12th highest sales tax (6th highest among NBA states).

I highly doubt it plays as big a role as you think it does.

[mademan]

You seem to forget that LeBron is on year to year contract, so the FO is going to do what he wants to keep him happy and if he says get me my guys, Melo and Paul being two of them, they will make that move. Although Love wouldn't mind getting back to socal in a swap for Paul so that is another option if Kyrie wasn't blocking the way, unless it's a Kyrie for Paul deal.

LeBron has huge power over Cleveland FO, if there is any chemistry issues with Love he might have something to say about it. Also the FO isn't going to let 'the future' or age stop them from keeping LeBron in the present, that's going to be their motivation.

Sure. And if Lebron said trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, the Cavs prolly do that too. Doesn't mean it's likely (or even possible). Beyond that, there's like a 7 mill difference between their contracts, meaning CLE has to add in Varajeo. Trading Love and Lebron's BFF, Varajeo, for a player who might not even be an upgrade and is coming off of knee surgery at the ripe age of 30.....doesnt really make a lot of sense, and i dont see Lebron going for it.

Would you have 'seen' LeBron doing what he did to form the Miami big 3 taking less money? Few would have 'seen' it leading up to him actually doing it. You aren't thinking like him when you say you can't 'see' it, you are thinking like a fan and sorry to burst your bubble, LeBron doesn't think like you. I would tend to agree with you from a fan and even FO point of view but to think of it from LeBron's point of view is where we to take out thoughts to understand the potential.

If he could he would trade Kyrie and Love for Melo and Paul in a hot minute... they would be banana boating their asses off on Lake Erie and winning a title in Cleveland together. Though he does care what the public thinks of him so he's not going to be an ass like that and demand anything but if there is chemistry issues, and I don't know if there will be just saying 'IF', moving one of those two for one of LeBron's buddies is something that we might hear about this season.

People need to stop acting like Melo blew out a knee, he was playing on that injury for quite awhile before he shut it down. It's not the same type injury as people think with knees even if any surgery is still pretty serious.

The Cavs have no reason to trade for a player who's older, more expensive and not guaranteed to be an upgrade, so the only possible way it happens is that Lebron is irrational. I dont disagree with that

[stuporman]

Sure. And if Lebron said trade Kyrie for Bledsoe, the Cavs prolly do that too. Doesn't mean it's likely (or even possible). Beyond that, there's like a 7 mill difference between their contracts, meaning CLE has to add in Varajeo. Trading Love and Lebron's BFF, Varajeo, for a player who might not even be an upgrade and is coming off of knee surgery at the ripe age of 30.....doesnt really make a lot of sense, and i dont see Lebron going for it.

Would you have 'seen' LeBron doing what he did to form the Miami big 3 taking less money? Few would have 'seen' it leading up to him actually doing it. You aren't thinking like him when you say you can't 'see' it, you are thinking like a fan and sorry to burst your bubble, LeBron doesn't think like you. I would tend to agree with you from a fan and even FO point of view but to think of it from LeBron's point of view is where we to take out thoughts to understand the potential.

If he could he would trade Kyrie and Love for Melo and Paul in a hot minute... they would be banana boating their asses off on Lake Erie and winning a title in Cleveland together. Though he does care what the public thinks of him so he's not going to be an ass like that and demand anything but if there is chemistry issues, and I don't know if there will be just saying 'IF', moving one of those two for one of LeBron's buddies is something that we might hear about this season.

People need to stop acting like Melo blew out a knee, he was playing on that injury for quite awhile before he shut it down. It's not the same type injury as people think with knees even if any surgery is still pretty serious.

The Cavs have no reason to trade for a player who's older, more expensive and not guaranteed to be an upgrade, so the only possible way it happens is that Lebron is irrational. I dont disagree with that

I think it would be irrational for the Cavs to deny LeBron and lose him because of someone like Love.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

I can't blame Dwight for leaving LA to come to Houston...it's nice down here. He gets to play in a big city, stay in a big market, play with the best SG in the game, play for a playoff contender now turned championship contender, and get a max contract. I think that those factors were more important to him than taxes.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I can't blame Dwight for leaving LA to come to Houston...it's nice down here. He gets to play in a big city, stay in a big market, play with the best SG in the game, play for a playoff contender now turned championship contender, and get a max contract. I think that those factors were more important to him than taxes.

Knowing that you live in Houston (school?) makes having them as your second favorite team much more understandable.

(Completely agree with everyone you said, btw)