OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[IllmaticHandler]

According to what I just looked up, The Pulse Club was voted the SEVENTH BEST club in the WHOLE city. So not only was it the top Gay Club. It was the SEVENTH best club in a Big City like Orlando. Orlando is a MAJOR tourist spot and decent sized city. To have the 7th best club there, means your an UPSCALE type of venue. Like I said. I want some footage to even back up .5% of what they reporting. Show me the Money...This one small photo which does not even show the whole scope of the club, and them being rated that high, tells you they had bouncers at the door at all times. This was NOT a hole in the wall.

[mpharris36]

IllmaticHandler you think there was multiple shooters? Why hasn't one person that came out alive in the club said they saw multiple shooters?

You are reaching at these conspiracy theories man. How would the government be able to silence hundreds of people that were in the club to say the exact same thing. They saw one shooter.

You want them to post video footage in the club (if they have it) I don't work there so I don't know if they have video surveillance . You want the government to post footage of young people getting meowed down by an assault rifle just to satisfy your conspiracy theory mind?

Families just lost sons, daughters, friends, brothers, sisters...so on. And you want them to leak footage (if they have it) of a guy murding 50 people in cold blood. Pretty insensitive not even 24 hours after some families found out there loved ones were one of the 49 dead.

[IllmaticHandler]

IllmaticHandler you think there was multiple shooters? Why hasn't one person that came out alive in the club said they saw multiple shooters?

You are reaching at these conspiracy theories man. How would the government be able to silence hundreds of people that were in the club to say the exact same thing. They saw one shooter.

Actually I have no stance other than, I won't accept the story as being told.

Unlike you, I have not made up my mind on anything, other than I am still observing the situation to form a conclusion.


NOT once in my OWN words did I say there was more than one shooter. Thats the difference between me an you. Im to technical to even jump out a window like that.

[IllmaticHandler]

Mp Harris. Since I am not lazy like you, and wait for CNN to show me everything to believe in. I did you a favor... There is a WITNESS who is saying that to him there was MORE than ONE shooter.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ35V0etHiM[/youtube]

[mpharris36]

correct you want to see footage of human beings being mowed down to satisfy your conspiracy theories while not caring about the families that lost loved ones and shouldn't have to bare seeing there child, family, friend member gunned down....makes sense.

You can observe the situation all you want, I will pray for the people and their families that they can someone get through this horrible nightmare that one scumbag caused them.

[IllmaticHandler]

I left you a present above.

[mpharris36]

Mp Harris. Since I am not lazy like you, and wait for CNN to show me everything to believe in. I did you a favor... There is a WITNESS who is saying that to him there was more than ONE shooter.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ35V0etHiM[/youtube]

my man, that proves all the reports correctly. There was an undercover cop in the club that exchanged fire with the suspect. That is why he heard two guns going off. It's why the suspect retreated to the bathrooms.

The carnage began at about 2 a.m. when Mateen first entered Pulse and opened fire, drawing return shots from an off-duty, uniformed Orlando cop working security, Mina said.

[IllmaticHandler]

Mp Harris. Since I am not lazy like you, and wait for CNN to show me everything to believe in. I did you a favor... There is a WITNESS who is saying that to him there was more than ONE shooter.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ35V0etHiM[/youtube]

my man, that proves all the reports correctly. There was an undercover cop in the club that exchanged fire with the suspect. That is why he heard two guns going off. It's why the suspect retreated to the bathrooms.

The carnage began at about 2 a.m. when Mateen first entered Pulse and opened fire, drawing return shots from an off-duty, uniformed Orlando cop working security, Mina said.

That could be the case. I won't deny that. But how does this explain how he was just able to walk up into the club, if ARMED cops are there. Your basically saying he just walked in free as a bird and started shooting. So the club has the presence of mind to have Armed Cops there, but a free path to walk in carry a big ass assault rifle that you can't even conceal from the outside. This also does not truly shut down his point...cause he states that the fire that he heard was RAPID fire. It was not return fire from a pistol which sounds much different. How do you even rationalize the person who is said to have blocked the door people was trying to escape from. Who blocks an Exit??


I also never said show footage of the dude shooting people. I said...show Footage of him ENTERING. Thats NOT being insensitive at all to the families. It called EVIDENCE.

[CharlesOakley]

The connection to ISIS or Muslim extremism is thin at best. Patrons remember this guy in the club for months, getting drunk and belligerent. Muslims don't drink. They are going to keep selling that story, especially because the shooter's father is a complete douchebag, but this guy wasn't a jihadist. He was a self-hating, bipolar, wife-beating homophobe.

Rather than discussing this ad nauseum, I'd rather discuss what isn't being done to fix this problem.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns

We need to get the NRA out of politics.

[IllmaticHandler]

Somebody died here, but they sure put this to everywhere to be seen. This is basically they evidence they used to arrest the cat.


This just happened last month. Like I said. AT the minimum..show him entering as they said he did, and that will put sooooooo much **** to bed.



[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23zWBary8w[/youtube]

[IllmaticHandler]

The connection to ISIS or Muslim extremism is thin at best. Patrons remember this guy in the club for months, getting drunk and belligerent. Muslims don't drink. They are going to keep selling that story, especially because the shooter's father is a complete douchebag, but this guy wasn't a jihadist. He was a self-hating, bipolar, wife-beating homophobe.

Rather than discussing this ad nauseum, I'd rather discuss what isn't being done to fix this problem.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns

We need to get the NRA out of politics.

Like I said in the thread that got locked. It also happened during the month of Ramadan. Muslim are scared to even sneeze wrong during this month. They are using americans ignorance of Muslims to sell them anything regarding this. Even Radicals don't anything during Ramadan.

They would resume whatever extremist practices, after this month. Its their own version of timeout in many cases.

[CoolKids]

wtf is going on in here

[thebuzzardman]

The connection to ISIS or Muslim extremism is thin at best. Patrons remember this guy in the club for months, getting drunk and belligerent. Muslims don't drink. They are going to keep selling that story, especially because the shooter's father is a complete douchebag, but this guy wasn't a jihadist. He was a self-hating, bipolar, wife-beating homophobe.

Rather than discussing this ad nauseum, I'd rather discuss what isn't being done to fix this problem.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns

We need to get the NRA out of politics.

Like I said in the thread that got locked. It also happened during the month of Ramadan. Muslim are scared to even sneeze wrong during this month. They are using americans ignorance of Muslims to sell them anything regarding this. Even Radicals don't anything during Ramadan.

They would resume whatever extremist practices, after this month. Its their own version of timeout in many cases.

I mean, Wikipedia, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_during_Ramadan_by_Muslims

I don't think this guy was motivated by Muslim fundamentalism specifically anyway. More that he was mentally ill and happened sort of be of Muslim faith. Like the crazy terrorist white kid was sort of Christian, but it wasn't his main reason for doing it.

[IllmaticHandler]

The connection to ISIS or Muslim extremism is thin at best. Patrons remember this guy in the club for months, getting drunk and belligerent. Muslims don't drink. They are going to keep selling that story, especially because the shooter's father is a complete douchebag, but this guy wasn't a jihadist. He was a self-hating, bipolar, wife-beating homophobe.

Rather than discussing this ad nauseum, I'd rather discuss what isn't being done to fix this problem.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns

We need to get the NRA out of politics.

Like I said in the thread that got locked. It also happened during the month of Ramadan. Muslim are scared to even sneeze wrong during this month. They are using americans ignorance of Muslims to sell them anything regarding this. Even Radicals don't anything during Ramadan.

They would resume whatever extremist practices, after this month. Its their own version of timeout in many cases.

I mean, Wikipedia, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_during_Ramadan_by_Muslims

I don't think this guy was motivated by Muslim fundamentalism specifically anyway. More that he was mentally ill and happened sort of be of Muslim faith. Like the crazy terrorist white kid was sort of Christian, but it wasn't his main reason for doing it.

Thanks for the info. Most of those battles seems to be full wars thoe, so ts hard to tell if the Muslims wanted to fight, or HAD to fight, since it seems many of the battles were with Non Muslims. I would not expect their enemies to stop fighting them this month.

I think it would be very rare that Muslims would set up an Attack on their own during this month, if it can be avoided until after Ramadan is over. Its why I can't really link this dude to Muslim fundamentalism like you said.

[thebuzzardman]

Like I said in the thread that got locked. It also happened during the month of Ramadan. Muslim are scared to even sneeze wrong during this month. They are using americans ignorance of Muslims to sell them anything regarding this. Even Radicals don't anything during Ramadan.

They would resume whatever extremist practices, after this month. Its their own version of timeout in many cases.

I mean, Wikipedia, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_fought_during_Ramadan_by_Muslims

I don't think this guy was motivated by Muslim fundamentalism specifically anyway. More that he was mentally ill and happened sort of be of Muslim faith. Like the crazy terrorist white kid was sort of Christian, but it wasn't his main reason for doing it.

Thanks for the info. Most of those battles seems to be full wars thoe, so ts hard to tell if the Muslims wanted to fight, or HAD to fight, since it seems many of the battles were with Non Muslims. I would not expect their enemies to stop fighting them this month.

I think it would be very rare that Muslims would set up an Attack on their own during this month, if it can be avoided until after Ramadan is over. Its why I can't really link this dude to Muslim fundamentalism like you said.

Yeah, I thought that as I read it as well - full wars. Also, some of those are dictatorships, that while the country contains Muslims, you can't say it was informed by Muslim rule - Sadam initiating vs Iran, Egypt.

There's a good video done by an ex-CIA officer, a woman, I'll post it here; I think you'll like it.

[thebuzzardman]

I know, HuffPo, I'm sure so called conservatives will hate it, but it's not like I haven't heard this sort of things from vet SF guys who are friends of mine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amaryllis-fox-undercover-cia-video_us_57600d31e4b0e4fe5143afc6

[IllmaticHandler]

I know, HuffPo, I'm sure so called conservatives will hate it, but it's not like I haven't heard this sort of things from vet SF guys who are friends of mine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amaryllis-fox-undercover-cia-video_us_57600d31e4b0e4fe5143afc6

I saw this yesterday. Good stuff. I have a friend who is a Marine MARSOC Raider. He wont say much, but what he has said, is something similar to this.

[EricAnderson]

I know, HuffPo, I'm sure so called conservatives will hate it, but it's not like I haven't heard this sort of things from vet SF guys who are friends of mine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amaryllis-fox-undercover-cia-video_us_57600d31e4b0e4fe5143afc6

But fundamental Islam and groups like Isis are also killing their own so the idea that their peaceful people simply retaliating against what we did is foolish to think.

[thebuzzardman]

I know, HuffPo, I'm sure so called conservatives will hate it, but it's not like I haven't heard this sort of things from vet SF guys who are friends of mine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amaryllis-fox-undercover-cia-video_us_57600d31e4b0e4fe5143afc6

But fundamental Islam and groups like Isis are also killing their own so the idea that their peaceful people simply retaliating against what we did is foolish to think.

It's always a dual edged approach, if a country opposing something like this is wise. Kill bad guys, but also remove, where possible, the sources of discontent that provide recruits. Grant amnesty or turn low level fighters. This stuff is really counter-insurgency 101.

[mpharris36]

there is simply no reasoning with these clowns. They are a group out to inflict pain and as much death as possible. They are throwing people off buildings because of there sexual orientation. There is simply no reasoning with them.