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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#1701 » by Richard4444 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:57 pm

Gravy wrote:Without a tournament we won't get to see players look better or worse than they do today. Guys who would have moved up might end up getting picked like 7th. This draft looks like even more of a crapshoot than it usually is.


Among the top players, we have 4 players who plays overseas (Lamello, Rampton, Hayes and Deni). Its always more complicated to project their NBA performance. Less draftable players in their leagues to work as a reference. Different rules and playing style than NBA. Less scouts seeing their games at the court.

Besides, we have Wiseman who barely played in College.

Now, we will not have march madness where we could follow the rest of Top players like Haliburton, Cole, Edwards, Obi and Onyieka.

Its the ultimate crap shot.
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Post#1702 » by Richard4444 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:03 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I really can’t believe we did it again. The Atlanta game May have been the final straw for me. Every year the same ****. We win meaningless games post all star break and affect our draft position! When will I learn with this team!!

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We are tired to know that usually players and coachs dont care about draft positions. They want to win, to grab stats and to shine. They can even lost their job in their team if the Front Office drafts a better player for his position.
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Post#1703 » by shtolky » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:04 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I really can’t believe we did it again. The Atlanta game May have been the final straw for me. Every year the same ****. We win meaningless games post all star break and affect our draft position! When will I learn with this team!!


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I mean it's been said many times but what do you want the team to do? Not play RJ? He's one of the main reasons they won the game. Mitch too. You think they knew it might be the last game of the season and even if they DID know that, what do we do? Not trot out the players we have that are not very good? The players that people complain about all the time?

This draft is going to be about scouting, not necessarily draft position since there is clearly not Zion or even a Morant. Heck, there might not even be an RJ. Worry about our scouting if you want, but to complain about the win is silly. If the season wasn't in jeopardy, I'd much rather have the 7th pick and have RJ and Mitch go nuts over the 3rd pick and have them suck. It's that kind of draft and we need our young players to finally blossom after years of having the worst talent development in the league.
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Post#1704 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:03 pm

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Gravy wrote:Without a tournament we won't get to see players look better or worse than they do today. Guys who would have moved up might end up getting picked like 7th. This draft looks like even more of a crapshoot than it usually is.


In the top players, we have 4 players who plays overseas (Lamello, Rampton, Hayes and Deni). Its always more complicated to project their NBA performance. Less draftable players in their leagues to work as a reference. Different rules and playing style than NBA. Less scouts seeing their games in the court.

Besides, we have Wiseman who barely played in College.

Now, we will not have march madness where we could follow the rest of Top players like Haliburton, Cole, Edwards, Obi and Onyieka.

Its the ultimate crap shot.


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Post#1705 » by knickstape4ever » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:46 pm

Opinions on Tyrese Maxey? I'm intrigued by him if we draft 7 or 8; could be the type of scoring guard that plays well with RJ; and he's good in P&R so he'd be solid with Mitch
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Post#1706 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:52 pm

Sham has said this before sometimes you need to get a little when it comes to the draft. Neither the Griz and Pelicans would be in the spot they are today without some help of the lottery gods. We've got a 37.2% chance of being in the top 4 and we just need to get lucky. IMO after the top 6, there's a dramatic drop off in talent so we need some of this luck cuz otherwise were looking at the Cole Anthony's of the world. I have to say a lot of other mocks, I see are dramatically different than the tankathon one. NBAdraft.net has Killian Hayes at 16 and Haliburton at 13.
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Post#1707 » by Fat » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:41 pm

Worst record got us the 3rd pick. The new format sucks. I’m not really losing sleep over it not in this draft. If this was a 5 player draft the consisted Of potential franchise changers I’d be salty but meh it’s whatever just draft good.
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Post#1708 » by Gravy » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:14 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Sham has said this before sometimes you need to get a little when it comes to the draft. Neither the Griz and Pelicans would be in the spot they are today without some help of the lottery gods. We've got a 37.2% chance of being in the top 4 and we just need to get lucky. IMO after the top 6, there's a dramatic drop off in talent so we need some of this luck cuz otherwise were looking at the Cole Anthony's of the world. I have to say a lot of other mocks, I see are dramatically different than the tankathon one. NBAdraft.net has Killian Hayes at 16 and Haliburton at 13.

I just saw that. How is Haliburton so low? I thought the top pg spot was between him and Lamelo.
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Post#1709 » by HerSports85 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:14 pm

If LaMelo, Wiseman, Edwards, Hayes, Deni and Haliburton are gone. My next targets will be

Obi
Maxey

However, I been feeling since the beginning it’s already written for Cole Anthony to be a knick. If so I just hope he works on his shooting this summer
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Post#1710 » by robillionaire » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:58 pm

bleedblue3303 wrote:I really can’t believe we did it again. The Atlanta game May have been the final straw for me. Every year the same ****. We win meaningless games post all star break and affect our draft position! When will I learn with this team!!


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I was salty about this too but think about it this way, the last time we played atlanta we had an 8 point lead with 1:39 left in overtime and still lost the game. We should have won that game so this one really just balanced it out. So it is what it is I guess let's hope for lottery luck
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Post#1711 » by RHODEY » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:16 am

Gravy wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Sham has said this before sometimes you need to get a little when it comes to the draft. Neither the Griz and Pelicans would be in the spot they are today without some help of the lottery gods. We've got a 37.2% chance of being in the top 4 and we just need to get lucky. IMO after the top 6, there's a dramatic drop off in talent so we need some of this luck cuz otherwise were looking at the Cole Anthony's of the world. I have to say a lot of other mocks, I see are dramatically different than the tankathon one. NBAdraft.net has Killian Hayes at 16 and Haliburton at 13.

I just saw that. How is Haliburton so low? I thought the top pg spot was between him and Lamelo.


Likely because few can judge this draftt....I'd be excited and happy with a ton of guys:

Hayes
Burton
Lamelo
Obi
that Israeli kid

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Post#1712 » by Zenzibar » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:11 am

Was looking forward to seeing Obi Toppin and Dayton;

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Post#1713 » by knickstape4ever » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:08 am

too bad we didn't have a 2nd 1st last year; I would've made a play for Reddish; he'd be a nice fit at the 3 for us
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Post#1714 » by RHODEY » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:50 am

knickstape4ever wrote:too bad we didn't have a 2nd 1st last year; I would've made a play for Reddish; he'd be a nice fit at the 3 for us


He started out the season historically bad...if that happened for us I have doubts that his confidence would have ever recovered enough for him to reach the level he his now at - for the Hawks.
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Post#1715 » by ny-n-md » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:07 am

Cole Anthony and Aleksej Pokusevski with the late first rounder. Or Obi Toppin instead of Cole and we good.
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Post#1716 » by bleedblue3303 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am

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YEAH FUQ OUR 19 YEAR OLD 2 WAY WING FOR DOMINATING AN NBA GAME. I'M SO ANGRY ABOUT IT

I know you are not this dumb. Well judging by your grammar you might be. Is Atlanta the only game we should have tanked? Maybe Randle should be coming off the bench the rest of the year. Maybe playing Payton less mins. Maybe bringing up Iggy and Wooten. Who said RJ should not develop and dominate. Maybe if we did some of the things I suggested he would do it more you fool! Damn Corona got me in no mood today!!


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sorry your expectations are out of line with the game. because zero teams lace up to throw the game.

root for the outcome all you want. but they're not going to do things to lose. losses happen as a function of the state of the team.

the irony is, these vets people are blaming for "meaningless wins" are contributing to losing and dysfunction all the same. we could have more wins with more kids. there's absolutely no way to tell. the only argument, which i agree with, is at least those kids would be getting NBA/on-court experience.

Randle played 38 mins against the hawks. Harkless played 41 mins. Payton played 35 mins. At this point in the season what justifies those minutes. For meaningless wins.


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Post#1717 » by knickstape21 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:43 pm

Count me in on intrigued by Killian Hayes. Has a lot of good tools to build on. Can’t wait to watch full games.
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Post#1718 » by Zenzibar » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:37 pm


Sporting News' 2019-20 college basketball All-Americans


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In college basketball’s season of the unexpected, perhaps this qualifies as one more surprise: The same five players selected for Sporting News’ midseason All-America team were chosen as our first team at the close of the regular season.
But it also could be indicative of a rare piece of certainty in this tumultuous season.

What makes it all the more intriguing that these five players turned out to be the five best from beginning to end is that the midseason team is not selected in the same manner as the Sporting News All-America team — one of four used to establish the NCAA’s official consensus All-America squad.

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The midseason team is chosen primarily by several SN staff members involved in the coverage of college basketball. The official All-America team is selected by a blue-ribbon panel of college basketball journalists that represents all regions of the country.
Their ballots told a compelling story — one that turned out to be consistent from beginning to end:
First team All-Americans

Luka Garza, C, Iowa
Key stats: 23.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, .542 field goal percentage
Defining game: 33 points, seven rebounds, 10-of-18 shooting in 90-83 victory over Michigan
Garza’s unyielding excellence during the course of the season, but particularly against an imposing series of big men in Big Ten play, earned him the selection as Sporting News Player of the Year. He closed the year with 16 consecutive 20-point scoring performances, including 25 points and 17 rebounds in a victory over Penn State. Said coach Fran McCaffery of Garza: “I don’t think people have appreciated how much his defense has improved, his ball-screen defense, his ability to rim-protect. It’s not like he’s leading the country in shot blocks, but he’s got a lot, and he talls up, gets where he’s supposed to get, stays out of foul trouble and then he’s in position to rebound. It’s just consistency of effort and performance that separates him.”


Obi Toppin, PF, Dayton
Key stats: 20.0 points per game, 7.5 rebounds per game, .633 field goal percentage
Defining game: 24 points, 10 rebounds, 3-of-6 3-point shooting in 78-76 overtime victory at Saint Louis
Dayton did not play many close games, in large part because Toppin was so much better than the rest of the Atlantic 10 that even the league’s NCAA Tournament contenders couldn’t keep up. That game at Saint Louis turned out to be the one great chance there was to prevent an 18-0 Dayton run through the conference, but Toppin’s tip-in with 8:20 left ignited a 29-16 Dayton close to regulation that forced overtime. His 3-pointer just inside the four-minute mark closed the deficit to a single basket. When Duquesne got too close for comfort in the Flyers’ trip to Pittsburgh, Toppin attacked the rim for eight points in the final eight minutes to help preserve a four-point win. He scored in double figures in every game but one and produced eight double-doubles, helping the Flyers to a school-record win total (29) that figures to keep growing.


Myles Powell, PG, Seton Hall
Key stats: 21.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.9 apg
Defining game: 34 points, seven rebounds, three assists, 12-of-24 shooting in 78-71 victory at Georgetown
Against a schedule that may have been as difficult as anyone’s in college basketball, Powell often carried a Seton Hall offense that struggled to find a consistent way forward. As the Pirates erased a 13-point halftime deficit against St. John’s, Powell scored 23 of his 29 points in the second half. In recovering from 10 down at Butler, he scored 16 of his 29 points. He topped the 25-point mark 10 times and, as he struggled to relocate his 3-point touch, closed the regular season with an average of 5.2 assists over the final six games. He is Seton Hall’s first first-team All-American since Walter Dukes in 1953.


Markus Howard, PG Marquette
Key stats: 27.8 ppg, 3.3 assists per game, .412 3-point percentage
Defining game: 51 points, 9-of-17 3-point shooting, 14-of-17 free throw-shooting in 101-79 victory vs. USC
Howard somehow added a full point onto his scoring average in the season’s final two months. That’s not tough for someone averaging four points a game who suddenly pops in a few 3-pointers. But for a player already leading Division I in scoring? Amazing. Howard closed the season with five consecutive 30-point games, the kind of production rarely seen around college hoops since the gunslinging days of the early '70s with Johnny Neumann of Ole Miss, Austin Carr of Notre Dame, Bird Averitt of Pepperdine and the king of them all, Pistol Pete Maravich of LSU. He is eight points away from passing Duke great J.J. Redick and entering the ranks of the top 20 NCAA Division I career scorers. Whether it’s here with Obi Toppin and Luka Garza, or on that list with Lionel Simmons, Tyler Hansbrough and Elvin Hayes, Howard is keeping some pretty serious company these days.


Payton Pritchard, PG, Oregon
Key stats: 20.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 5.5 apg
Defining game: 38 points, six rebounds, four assists, 6-of-14 3-point shooting in 73-72 over victory at Arizona
Pritchard began his career as an essential piece of the Ducks’ 2017 Final Four team and will end his senior season as a first-team All-American, a Pac-12 regular-season champion and … who knows? The Ducks will make their third NCAA Tournament in four years with Pritchard at point guard. A starter in 140 games over a 144-game career (to date), he blossomed this season, reaching or exceeding the 20-point mark 16 times and passing for at least seven assists nine times. He increased his 3-point percentage from .328 to .415 and attempted 26 percent more free throws. He converted his 2-point attempts at a .512 clip. Already an excellent player, he elevated to dominance.


SN POSTSEASON AWARDS:
Dayton's Anthony Grant is Coach of the Year


Second-team All-Americans
Devon Dotson, PG, Kansas
Key stats: 18.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.0 apg, .468 field goal percentage
Defining game: 21 points, six rebounds, three assists, three steals and 40 minutes played in 78-75 victory over Texas Tech
It’s quite obvious Dotson and teammate Udoka Azubuike affected each other’s pursuit of the All-America first team. Each had significant support among the voters for first-team honors and each fell just short. They’ve spent much of the past month on top of college basketball, though, since traveling to Waco and defeated top-ranked Baylor in a revenge Big 12 meeting. Dotson has been essential to the Jayhawks’ excellence. His ability to be a multiple threat from the point guard position helps cover for the team’s infrequent 3-point shooting.


Udoka Azubuike, C, Kansas
Key stats: 13.2 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.5 blocks per game, .737 field goal percentage
Defining game: 23 points, 19 rebounds, three blocks, 11-of-13 shooting in 64-61 victory at Baylor
Big 12 coaches predicted in the preseason he would be their league’s player of the year, probably because they’d spent all summer trying to figure out a way to deal with him. (They didn’t). Azubuike’s improved fitness enabled him to average 28 minutes per game, and that figure increased against Big 12 opponents. He reached the four-foul mark only six times in 31 games, demonstrating his increased ability to dominate defensively without fouling.


Malachi Flynn, PG, San Diego State
Key stats: 17.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 5.1 apg, .441 field goal percentage
Defining game: 36 points, five rebounds, seven assists, 13-of-20 shooting in 83-76 victory at Nevada
Flynn became an out-of-nowhere star for the Aztecs after transferring from Washington State, where his team won only four league games. This year, with Flynn at the controls, San Diego State won nearly all of them, falling just short of a perfect regular season with a late-season home loss to UNLV. Flynn became a more productive player as the season progressed, scoring in double figures in every Mountain West game and hitting the 20-point mark seven times against league opponents.


Vernon Carey Jr., C, Duke
Key stats: 17.8 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.6 bpg, .577 field goal percentage
Defining game: 26 points, 11 rebounds, three blocks in 87-75 victory at Michigan State
On a team filled with talented young players whose offensive production occasionally went missing, Carey was a foundational piece of the attack who delivered most every time. He scored in double figures in every game but two, and both of those were comfortable victories in which he could afford not to ring up baskets. He struggled periodically with foul trouble but still averaged 25 minutes. He managed to lead Duke in scoring while ranking only second in shots.


Cassius Winston, PG, Michigan State
Key stats: 18.6 ppg, 5.9 apg, .432 3-point percentage
Defining game: 32 points, nine assists, 11-of-19 shooting in 87-69 victory over Michigan
The story of Winston's senior season cannot be told without the tragedy that affected him and his family in early November: the loss of his younger brother. It indelibly affected his play, but he seemed to recover the joy of the game and return to his typical dominance as the season progressed. His brilliance over the final five games (20.8 ppg, 6.8 apg, .623 field goal percentage) led to five consecutive Spartans wins. On his senior day, Tom Izzo was so reluctant to take him off the court he almost missed the chance to give Winston his curtain call — and the ceremonial kiss of the Spartan logo at center court.


Third-team All-Americans
Jared Butler, PG, Baylor
Key stats: 16.0 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 3.1 apg
Defining game: 22 points, four rebounds, 9-of-18 shooting in 67-55 victory over Kansas
Butler’s rapid development was one of many essential ingredients for Baylor’s rise to prominence this season, but perhaps the most obvious. He was a 10-point scorer and 35 percent 3-point shooter as a freshman but developed into a dynamic scorer whose 3-point shooting was a key to the Bears’ attack.


Jalen Smith, C, Maryland
Key stats: 15.5 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.4 bpg
Defining game: 29 points, 11 rebounds, 10-of-14 shooting in 77-76 victory at Indiana
The player they call “Stix” was moved to center following the departure to the NBA of teammate Bruno Fernando and was surrounded in the Terps lineup primarily by point guards and wings, with occasional assistance from 6-7 freshman forward Donta Scott. But in that crucible of Big Ten bigs that includes two others on this All-America list, plus Ohio State’s Kaleb Wesson, Illinois freshman Kofi Cockburn and Wisconsin’s Micah Potter and Nate Reuvers, Smith at one point posted nine consecutive double-doubles.


Jordan Nwora, PF, Louisville
Key stats: 18.0 ppg, 7.7 rpg, .402 3-point percentage.
Defining game: 22 points, seven rebounds, 4-of-8 3-point shooting in 80-73 victory over Virginia
Nwora served as a prototype of the college “Stretch-4” for the Cardinals, delivering consistently as a defensive rebounder and connecting on 76 3-pointers. He was prone to some scoring slumps — there were three single-figure scoring games in ACC play, and another against Kentucky — that generally were a product of him not being involved enough in the attack. When he is active, he excels.


Daniel Oturu, C, Minnesota
Key stats: 20.0 ppg, 11.4 rpg, .562 field goal percentage
Defining game: 30 points, seven rebounds, 13-of-18 shooting in 75-67 victory over Michigan
Minnesota’s misfortune became Oturu’s misfortune, because he delivered a season worthy of first-team recognition while the Gophers did not. Losing Amir Coffey premature to the draft (he has played in just 13 NBA games) and forward Eric Curry to yet another devastating injury led to the Gophers being undermanned in a Big Ten where any weakness was going to be exposed. Oturu, personally, revealed none. He performed magnificently for a team that could not win at an NCAA Tournament level. He showed 3-point shooting range, the ability to handle the basketball on the move, a deft touch around the rim. He has better things than third-team All-American in his future.


Filip Petrusev, C, Gonzaga
Key stats: 17.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg, .562 field goal percentage
Defining game: 27 points, six rebounds, 8-of-12 shooting in 86-76 victory over Saint Mary’s
Brandon Clarke’s departure for the NBA after last season created the opportunity for Petrusev to play more than last year’s 11 minutes per game. Teammate Killian Tillie’s persistent injuries created the need for Petrusev to do more. He was ready for both. Petrusev scored in double figures 10 times last year despite understandably limited opportunities. Those paying close attention figured he might be capable of more. He only missed that mark twice this season. Defenses found it so hard to deal with him that they sent him to the line for 238 free throws. He only converted at a .655 clip, showing there’s still room for improvement.
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Post#1719 » by Zenzibar » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:50 pm

Case for #1 Pick.

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Post#1720 » by moocow007 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:58 pm

My latest 2 cents...

Theres a report that Scott Perry told confidants he doesnt like scouting college games and the NCAA tournament cause the seats are uncomfortable. Lol...yeah.

The closest thing to a Zion Williamson type player is James Wiseman. Doesnt mean he'll be Williamson but if anyone is looking for a freak that can transcend the game Wiseman has the physical tools to do that.

Cole Anthony to me is a poor mans Stephon Marbury. Extremely talented, with the fight and confidence to take on the word but so many of Stephs faults too that make me question whether a team he leads can consistently win games ("leads" being the key word). I dont see a marriage of him and the Knicks working out.

When looking at prospects, college efficiency and production is a tantalizing (easy) lure but the NBA is so different from the college game that simply looking at stats is a dangerous trap too many people get caught in. If it was that easy then you wouldnt have teams mired in muck for as long as they have while other teams always seem to be at the top. Moral? Dont focus on stats too much lol.

The Knicks are one of the least talented teams in the NBA in terms of ceiling. You need talent to win no matter what fantasy you got going on in your own head. The last thing they need to be doing is trading down. They need to spend all their brain cells to figure out which of these guys are going to be stars and either draft them or doing what it takes to trade up for them. If no one by where youre projected to pick feels like a star you need to do something to move up. Dont just accept your lot and stay where you are. Top teams make moves to get the guys they want.

Is Deni Avdija getting some Luka Doncic benefit? Probably but the kid is extremely extremely talented. If it was just pure skill then it's one thing but he does have a fight, a confidence in his game that would indicate he is for real. How real? Dont know.

I think Edward's would be the safest pick for no.1. Even if he doesnt become the next DWade he should become a 20ppg game that can defend, shoot and pass to at least NBA average for starting SGs. That's not bad at all.

I would not pass on Wiseman because of Mitch. Wiseman has a much higher ceiling and can do all the things Mitch can do right now.

Rose should already know which teams are interested in which of his players well before the draft (whenever that is). He should obviously also have all the other teams front offices on speed dial. This last part he should already have given where hes coming from and that's why you hire a guy like him.

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