OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[TerrenceClarke]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

If he drops to 21 he is going to Pittsburgh 100% for sure. It’s going to be hard to get back in for SS unless we cough up something good. I suspect there are a few teams that would value him higher in the first.

It’s a lot of fluff going on with him dropping super far if he does. People will value him more and more if he falls so he will get snatched up sooner than later.

Saints could be a sport for him at 9 as well.

[GONYK]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

I'd have to think. If we're willing to do that, then we should just take him at 3.

[Ghetto Gospel]

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[Ghetto Gospel]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

I'd have to think. If we're willing to do that, then we should just take him at 3.

nah if we're willing to do that just take abdul carter at 3, then trade back in to get shedeur. i'd rather have abdul carter than next years 1st probably

[GONYK]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

I'd have to think. If we're willing to do that, then we should just take him at 3.

nah if we're willing to do that just take abdul carter at 3, then trade back in to get shedeur. i'd rather have abdul carter than next years 1st probably

Would you rather have Carter than 3 players from this draft and the best one available to us next year?

[Ghetto Gospel]

I'd have to think. If we're willing to do that, then we should just take him at 3.

nah if we're willing to do that just take abdul carter at 3, then trade back in to get shedeur. i'd rather have abdul carter than next years 1st probably

Would you rather have Carter than 3 players from this draft and the best one available to us next year?

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

[mpharris36]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

you would prob have to get in front of the Steelers at 21.

The trade chart isn't perfect but its a solid starting point for negotiations then you have to add or subtract with how desperate once you get to the value.

DEN owns pick 20...that is worth 850 pts

Giants own 34...that is worth 560 pts.

so you basically have to bridge at least about 300 pts of value to make the trade for DEN worth it.

Our 1st pick in the 3rd round is just under 300 pts..... 265 pts to be exact.

I would say a 2 this year and a 2 next year probably gets it done...maybe you have to add in a 4th or 5th rounder this year as extra juice.

The close you get to the mid 20's though it probably only takes our 2...and then maybe a next year 3 or something like that.

Also consider the draft isn't great this year outside of maybe the top 3 guys. A lot of people say if you compared this year and last year only 3 players would make it into last years top 10. So teams in the teens might want to trade back for less value.

There is more value in round 2/3/4 this year that is where I think the value will be this draft.

We are lucky to be picking in the top 3.

[GONYK]

nah if we're willing to do that just take abdul carter at 3, then trade back in to get shedeur. i'd rather have abdul carter than next years 1st probably

Would you rather have Carter than 3 players from this draft and the best one available to us next year?

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

[TerrenceClarke]

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Giants playing games man

[TerrenceClarke]

This is the downside of passing on SS. Giants will be chasing QBs which all look buns for what we need them to be for us.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Would you rather have Carter than 3 players from this draft and the best one available to us next year?

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

i was looking at some trades looking for something remotely similar and seattle traded pick 21 to the packers for 30 and 2 4th rounders and another somewhat further down is the colts trading pick 26 to the at the time redskins for 46 and the next years 2nd.

i think you're severely overvaluing how much we'd have to give up

[mpharris36]

Would you rather have Carter than 3 players from this draft and the best one available to us next year?

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

[GONYK]

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

i was looking at some trades looking for something remotely similar and seattle traded pick 21 to the packers for 30 and 2 4th rounders and another somewhat further down is the colts trading pick 26 to the at the time redskins for 46 and the next years 2nd.

i think you're severely overvaluing how much we'd have to give up

Perhaps I am. If it can be done relatively cheaply, by all means explore it. The Giants have a lot of holes though and this is a depth draft.

[GONYK]

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

I'd trade a future 2nd. I'd rather keep my picks in this draft.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

i was looking at some trades looking for something remotely similar and seattle traded pick 21 to the packers for 30 and 2 4th rounders and another somewhat further down is the colts trading pick 26 to the at the time redskins for 46 and the next years 2nd.

i think you're severely overvaluing how much we'd have to give up

Perhaps I am. If it can be done relatively cheaply, by all means explore it. The Giants have a lot of holes though and this is a depth draft.

realistically, he isn't dropping to 20 anyway imo. also every draft is a depth draft

[GONYK]

i was looking at some trades looking for something remotely similar and seattle traded pick 21 to the packers for 30 and 2 4th rounders and another somewhat further down is the colts trading pick 26 to the at the time redskins for 46 and the next years 2nd.

i think you're severely overvaluing how much we'd have to give up

Perhaps I am. If it can be done relatively cheaply, by all means explore it. The Giants have a lot of holes though and this is a depth draft.

realistically, he isn't dropping to 20 anyway imo. also every draft is a depth draft

I mean depth specifically in the areas the Giants need it. DT, WR, RB, TE.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

I'd trade a future 2nd. I'd rather keep my picks in this draft.

if it's a player that you're seriously considering taking at 3, it only makes sense to trade the 2 and 2 and it's a steal

[TerrenceClarke]

you think it'd cost like a 2nd, 3rd and next years 1st to trade back in to 20?

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

[GONYK]

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

That's my thinking as well

[Ghetto Gospel]

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

there have been plenty of thirsty teams throughout the history of time and i don't think we've seen anyone get fleeced like that for a mid-late first