Around the nba part 6

[god shammgod]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 15m

According to Heat reporters, LeBron (hamstring), Wade (ankle) and Chalmers (ankle) are out tonight vs Spurs, will be re-evalauted tomorrow.

is this like..revenge ?

[ctorres]

Leaders on the worst teams:

Cleveland: Kyrie Irving 23 PPG, Dion Waiters 14.7 PPG (Sideshow Bob 14.1 PPG)
Charlotte: Kemba Walker 18.7 PPG, Gerald Henderson 15.2 PPG (Ramon Sessions 14.4 PPG)
Minnesota: Kevin Love 18.3 PPG, Nikola Pekovic 15.8 PPG
New Orleans: Eric Gordon 16.8 PPG, Ryan Anderson 16.5 PPG
Orlando: Aaron Afflalo 16.5 PPG, Tobias Harris 16.3 PPG
Detroit: Greg Monroe 15.7 PPG (Brandon Knight 13.5 PPG)
Phoenix: Dragic 14.5 PPG

Dragic dead last. And worse than ALL BUT ONE of the bad teams' SECOND-best scorers.

Have a good rest of the weekend guys.

One quick look at the Suns players as well as their PPG and your argument can be tossed out the window.

Cherry picking stats to prop up Lin again...it's gotten bad.

It's hilarious to me because most of his posts these days are either going out of his way to defend Lin or out of his way to nitpick JR or Felton, the two players who were most outspoken about Lin in the offseason.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Al Iannazzone ‏@Al_Iannazzone 15m

According to Heat reporters, LeBron (hamstring), Wade (ankle) and Chalmers (ankle) are out tonight vs Spurs, will be re-evalauted tomorrow.

is this like..revenge ?

Getting rest so they are 110% ready for us on Tuesday

[ibraheim718]

I didn't slant any stats, everything is taken from that article I posted.

You can't make any serious basketball analysis or a comparison between two players posting just basic stats, that's why I always look at advanced stats, and so do all of the NBA front offices. And by that, Dragic is clearly having a better season than Lin.

There is no doubt in my mind Lin's basic stats would go up on that godawful Phoenix teams, but his efficiency numbers would go down and his turnovers would skyrocket.

There's also no doubt in my mind Dragic would never get benched for Toney Douglas or Patrick Beverley if he was still with the Rockets.

Also, this myth of Harden having an impact on Lin's play is silly and would actually speak against Lin if he couldn't handle playing with a better player than him.

Lin's season avg: 12.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.9 tpg, 1.8 spg, .442 FG%, .333 3P%

Lin's avg with Harden out or playing less than 20 min: 20.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 5.0 apg, 3.8 tpg, 1.0 spg, .413 FG%, .500 3P%

Obviously those numbers are not representative because it's a 4 game sample size and he had that one high scoring game against the Spurs, but it clearly shows Harden is not slowing him whatsoever.

Dragic has also been in the league a lot longer than Lin and has played 7474 minutes versus Lin's 3553 so like I pointed out a long time ago.. it's not quite exactly a fair comparison and just the fact that the comparison can be made speaks more for Jeremy Lin than it does for Dragic... no offense to Dragic becuase I actually like his game.. a lot.

[Thugger HBC]

I didn't slant any stats, everything is taken from that article I posted.

You can't make any serious basketball analysis or a comparison between two players posting just basic stats, that's why I always look at advanced stats, and so do all of the NBA front offices. And by that, Dragic is clearly having a better season than Lin.

There is no doubt in my mind Lin's basic stats would go up on that godawful Phoenix teams, but his efficiency numbers would go down and his turnovers would skyrocket.

There's also no doubt in my mind Dragic would never get benched for Toney Douglas or Patrick Beverley if he was still with the Rockets.

Also, this myth of Harden having an impact on Lin's play is silly and would actually speak against Lin if he couldn't handle playing with a better player than him.

Lin's season avg: 12.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 6.0 apg, 2.9 tpg, 1.8 spg, .442 FG%, .333 3P%

Lin's avg with Harden out or playing less than 20 min: 20.8 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 5.0 apg, 3.8 tpg, 1.0 spg, .413 FG%, .500 3P%

Obviously those numbers are not representative because it's a 4 game sample size and he had that one high scoring game against the Spurs, but it clearly shows Harden is not slowing him whatsoever.

Dragic has also been in the league a lot longer than Lin and has played 7474 minutes versus Lin's 3553 so like I pointed out a long time ago.. it's not quite exactly a fair comparison and just the fact that the comparison can be made speaks more for Jeremy Lin than it does for Dragic... no offense to Dragic becuase I actually like his game.. a lot.

The only reason why fans copmpare Lin to Dragic is because that's what Lin did around the time after he got drafted, so if the player can do so, there should be no issue with fans doing so.

This isn't just a Knicks topic, this was pretty much on every board that i can recall

[j4remi]

Dragic has also been in the league a lot longer than Lin and has played 7474 minutes versus Lin's 3553 so like I pointed out a long time ago.. it's not quite exactly a fair comparison and just the fact that the comparison can be made speaks more for Jeremy Lin than it does for Dragic... no offense to Dragic becuase I actually like his game.. a lot.

That's a completely fair point to make imo. I'd look at the age comparison a bit before completely giving it props because I thought they were comparable age wise but could be wrong. Either way, that's a fair debate to have...what's not right to me, is certain posters trying to paint Dragic as a trash player or claiming that Lin has better statistics than Dragic just to put him on a pedestal. They've been fairly comparable players, so to call one guy trash and treat the other like a minor deity...it's just off. (not you obviously).

[ibraheim718]

Dragic has also been in the league a lot longer than Lin and has played 7474 minutes versus Lin's 3553 so like I pointed out a long time ago.. it's not quite exactly a fair comparison and just the fact that the comparison can be made speaks more for Jeremy Lin than it does for Dragic... no offense to Dragic becuase I actually like his game.. a lot.

That's a completely fair point to make imo. I'd look at the age comparison a bit before completely giving it props because I thought they were comparable age wise but could be wrong. Either way, that's a fair debate to have...what's not right to me, is certain posters trying to paint Dragic as a trash player or claiming that Lin has better statistics than Dragic just to put him on a pedestal. They've been fairly comparable players, so to call one guy trash and treat the other like a minor deity...it's just off. (not you obviously).

I have an affinity for Point Guards you know that... I love Dragic... I like Lin and of course as a fan there is history there for me. I'm not a big Felton fan... he's a good guy just doesn't please my eye...

The problem I've had is the team could have replaced Lin with any number of PG's and I'd be more than good with it as long as the position was respected by the front office and by the fans... I'd take Curry, Conley, even a guy like Vasquez who I wanted us to draft and I'd be a happy fan... but I've been labeled as this guy who is ONLY a Lin guy... it's disrespectful to the basketball junkie in me.

give me a good PG who plays the position with style and who is great at the subtleties that come with playing the position and I'm as happy as a fat cat who just ate a piece of Salmon.

[Thugger HBC]

Dragic has also been in the league a lot longer than Lin and has played 7474 minutes versus Lin's 3553 so like I pointed out a long time ago.. it's not quite exactly a fair comparison and just the fact that the comparison can be made speaks more for Jeremy Lin than it does for Dragic... no offense to Dragic becuase I actually like his game.. a lot.

That's a completely fair point to make imo. I'd look at the age comparison a bit before completely giving it props because I thought they were comparable age wise but could be wrong. Either way, that's a fair debate to have...what's not right to me, is certain posters trying to paint Dragic as a trash player or claiming that Lin has better statistics than Dragic just to put him on a pedestal. They've been fairly comparable players, so to call one guy trash and treat the other like a minor deity...it's just off. (not you obviously).

I have an affinity for Point Guards you know that... I love Dragic... I like Lin and of course as a fan there is history there for me. I'm not a big Felton fan... he's a good guy just doesn't please my eye...

The problem I've had is the team could have replaced Lin with any number of PG's and I'd be more than good with it as long as the position was respected by the front office and by the fans... I'd take Curry, Conley, even a guy like Vasquez who I wanted us to draft and I'd be a happy fan... but I've been labeled as this guy who is ONLY a Lin guy... it's disrespectful to the basketball junkie in me.

give me a good PG who plays the position with style and who is great at the subtleties of the playing the position and I'm as happy as a fat cat who just ate a piece of Salmon.

I dont think anyone credible has said that about you, and your opinion is no less important than anyone elses, and just as valued.

The Knicks pg situation is one of the main reason why i didn't like Walsh's tenure here, he allowed a rift between D'antoni and Marbury when Marbury was told to come to camp in shape and did so only to not play, then never even considered drafting one, threw the scouts under the bus one year, but rather piling on the position we already had, with a non factor in Duhon running the show

[j4remi]

That's a completely fair point to make imo. I'd look at the age comparison a bit before completely giving it props because I thought they were comparable age wise but could be wrong. Either way, that's a fair debate to have...what's not right to me, is certain posters trying to paint Dragic as a trash player or claiming that Lin has better statistics than Dragic just to put him on a pedestal. They've been fairly comparable players, so to call one guy trash and treat the other like a minor deity...it's just off. (not you obviously).

I have an affinity for Point Guards you know that... I love Dragic... I like Lin and of course as a fan there is history there for me. I'm not a big Felton fan... he's a good guy just doesn't please my eye...

The problem I've had is the team could have replaced Lin with any number of PG's and I'd be more than good with it as long as the position was respected by the front office and by the fans... I'd take Curry, Conley, even a guy like Vasquez who I wanted us to draft and I'd be a happy fan... but I've been labeled as this guy who is ONLY a Lin guy... it's disrespectful to the basketball junkie in me.

give me a good PG who plays the position with style and who is great at the subtleties that come with playing the position and I'm as happy as a fat cat who just ate a piece of Salmon.

I feel you on that. I think in terms of our stances on issues, I agree with you sometimes, disagree with you plenty...but the reasoning and logic behind your beliefs is always clear and I can respect your opinion even when I disagree. No way you deserve a label like "Lin guy" to oversimplify the stance (If we were technical, I'm a Lin guy...I think he's gonna be pretty damned good some day).

I totally agree that we need a PG and I'm watching Russ Smith right now, he's projected to go early in the second round on draft express...I'd be happy if the Knicks reached to get him or traded down and picked him up and another asset.

[j4remi]

I dont think anyone credible has said that about you, and your opinion is no less important than anyone elses, and just as valued.

The Knicks pg situation is one of the main reason why i didn't like Walsh's tenure here, he allowed a rift between D'antoni and Marbury when Marbury was told to come to camp in shape and did so only to not play, then never even considered drafting one, threw the scouts under the bus one year, but rather piling on the position we already had, with a non factor in Duhon running the show

The Jordan Hill draft will forever be a blemish on Walsh's record that I cannot overlook.

[Thugger HBC]

I dont think anyone credible has said that about you, and your opinion is no less important than anyone elses, and just as valued.

The Knicks pg situation is one of the main reason why i didn't like Walsh's tenure here, he allowed a rift between D'antoni and Marbury when Marbury was told to come to camp in shape and did so only to not play, then never even considered drafting one, threw the scouts under the bus one year, but rather piling on the position we already had, with a non factor in Duhon running the show

The Jordan Hill draft will forever be a blemish on Walsh's record that I cannot overlook.

My laundry list is endless.

[K_ick_God]

This board and RealGM in general prides itself, rightly, in ignoring ESPN and mainstream "conventional wisdom."

But when it comes to Linsanity, most of RealGM has it wrong: They bought the hype that Linsanity was hype. He was an actual basketball player doing actual basketball things in his first 30 or whatever actual starts.

Dragic cannot compete with that stretch. But nobody could. It was the best so many starts by any guy EVER. And it actually happened.

Until that can be explained away in some rational way other than the simple-minded "He was playing on adrenaline; he was playing over his head," etc., nobody should be quoting advanced stats or basic stats or any stats. Those were real numbers and they represent his real capacity. You can't peddle in stats if you can't accept those stats.

Ridiculous to pore over stats with a fine tooth comb and split hairs, using every available metric you can find ... but then categorically throw out a fairly large sample (almost half a season) of stats as just not reliable. Says who lol? The stats mavens? Accept all the stats, and Lin blows Dragic out of the water.

And now I'm really out lol. Happy Easter.

[j4remi]

This board and RealGM in general prides itself, rightly, in ignoring ESPN and mainstream "conventional wisdom."

But when it comes to Linsanity, most of RealGM has it wrong: They bought the hype that Linsanity was hype. He was an actual basketball player doing actual basketball things in his first 30 or whatever actual starts.

Dragic cannot compete with that stretch. But nobody could. It was the best so many starts by any guy EVER. And it actually happened.

Until that can be explained away in some rational way other than the simple-minded "He was playing on adrenaline; he was playing over his head," etc., nobody should be quoting advanced stats or basic stats or any stats. Those were real numbers and they represent his real capacity. You can't peddle in stats if you can't accept those stats.

If we play that game then Darren Collison is a superstar. Lest we forget that he did the same thing in a similar span for New Orleans when CP3 went down...one year before Lin.

[K_ick_God]

This board and RealGM in general prides itself, rightly, in ignoring ESPN and mainstream "conventional wisdom."

But when it comes to Linsanity, most of RealGM has it wrong: They bought the hype that Linsanity was hype. He was an actual basketball player doing actual basketball things in his first 30 or whatever actual starts.

Dragic cannot compete with that stretch. But nobody could. It was the best so many starts by any guy EVER. And it actually happened.

Until that can be explained away in some rational way other than the simple-minded "He was playing on adrenaline; he was playing over his head," etc., nobody should be quoting advanced stats or basic stats or any stats. Those were real numbers and they represent his real capacity. You can't peddle in stats if you can't accept those stats.

If we play that game then Darren Collison is a superstar. Lest we forget that he did the same thing in a similar span for New Orleans when CP3 went down...one year before Lin.

EDIT: nm

[Rasho Brezec]

You can't take a stretch of 26 games and say that's the real representative of a player against a 73 game sample size just because you like the numbers in that stretch better.

[j4remi]

Over a 23 game stretch in his first major minutes Collison had averages of

19.5 points, 10.2 assists, 3.7 boards and 1.7 steals

He shot 49% from the field and 39% from three.

...1/30/10 - 3/17/10

He has never been able to duplicate that stretch.

[Thugger HBC]

This board and RealGM in general prides itself, rightly, in ignoring ESPN and mainstream "conventional wisdom."

But when it comes to Linsanity, most of RealGM has it wrong: They bought the hype that Linsanity was hype. He was an actual basketball player doing actual basketball things in his first 30 or whatever actual starts.

Dragic cannot compete with that stretch. But nobody could. It was the best so many starts by any guy EVER. And it actually happened.

Until that can be explained away in some rational way other than the simple-minded "He was playing on adrenaline; he was playing over his head," etc., nobody should be quoting advanced stats or basic stats or any stats. Those were real numbers and they represent his real capacity. You can't peddle in stats if you can't accept those stats.

Really not too many players can sniff that stretch, as a fan of Lin, I know he can't do it again either, and that's mainly because of three reasons.....

1) He'll never be in that position to do so....barring major injuries around him and...

2) I dont think he'll ever try because of his own personal demeanor of really now wanting that spotlight and...

3) It was hisorical, not likely to be repeated by any player in his situation of his career.

I dont think anyone seriously puts down Lin, most of it is just fans ruffling fethers because they know they can and folks will get sensitive.

My only downer towards Lin was the 85% comment and the lame attempt at trying to correct what was said.

As a player I'll always wish him well and believe he will have a solid career, he has that in him.

speaking of "stretches" remember Darren Collison putting up CP3 type numbers in his absence?

[Pharmcat]

no lbj or wade and mia still beats SAS?

[Tron Carter]

no lbj or wade and mia still beats SAS?

greatest team in sports history?

[SonOfMars]

Not sure if anybody saw..but our beloved little Nate still has some growing up to do..