Offseason Thread Continued - Atlanta Got Crabbes and We're Panicking

[DOT]

yeah I wouldn't trust Kawhi coming until he signed so I wouldn't agree to an AD until he signed...so if they want it done before hand we just can't commit to that.

But then you fall into a bit of a contradiction, because our best shot at Kawhi is to have AD already on the roster to pitch him the idea of playing with him. Reports were Kawhi was intrigued at teaming up with KD, not with the Knicks

I'm still full on team rebuild with what we've got

u just can't make that trade though. Because if Kawhi doesn't come you trade all your youth for AD and now you have no one to play with him. You become a worse version of the current pelicans with no future assets.

We aren't in a position to take that risk.

I know, that's what I'm saying

I could've understood it a few days ago before KD injured himself and was virtually a lock to come here, but now it'd be foolish, especially with how much the Lakers are offering.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Kyrie may come to the Knicks now, if KD isn't an option.

[taj2133]

according to ian begley the pelicans didn't like offer for ad.
The Pelicans, according to an ESPN report, weren't enamored by any offer the Knicks or any other suitors had made for Davis. So the Knicks had engaged in some dialogue with teams in an effort to improve their offer for Davis, per SNY sources. It's unclear how far along -- if at all -- any of that dialogue was, but some people in the organization were uncomfortable with the idea of trading away significant assets for Davis, citing the way things played out for New York in the wake of the Carmelo Anthony trade, per SNY sources.

If Durant and Leonard are not options for the Knicks this summer, it seems like the best path forward is to add an elite prospect with the No. 3 pick and continue to look for ways to acquire young, undervalued players while maintaining cap flexibility.

That's largely the path they've taken since GM Scott Perry was hired.

Also, depending on where he is traded, Davis may test free agency next summer. So while there is a risk in not trading for him, the Knicks may still have a chance to add Davis in the summer of 2020 without surrendering assets for him.

In the immediate wake of Durant's injury on Tuesday morning, the Knicks were said to be looking at every possible option available to them.

As for the Nets, teams pursuing Kyrie Irving said last week that they thought the point guard was most likely to end up in Brooklyn. Part of the Nets' plan was to pursue Durant along with Irving. If Durant is unavailable, it will be interesting to see if the Nets turn to another option as a second star alongside Irving or seek to pair him with restricted free agent D'Angelo Russell.
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/ripple-effects-of-kevin-durants-achilles-injury-how-knicks-free-agency-plans-can-change/307960890
Durant and Kawhi Leonard are two of the top free agents on the market this summer, and the Knicks had significant interest in both players.

If Durant has suffered a serious injury, it would be surprising if New York still pursued him in free agency -- unless they could sign him to a contract that was heavily protected for injury. The most likely course of action for Durant would be to exercise his $31.5 million option for next season while he recovers from the injury.

That would obviously take Durant off the board for New York and drastically change the club's approach this summer.

[shtolky]

What if I told you he loves the city and Dennis fks wit Scott Perry?

Don't get me wrong, I'd pick up Kawhi at the airport and carry him to MSG myself if he wanted to come here. I just don't see it. I hope you're right. But until something good happens to this franchise, I have a hard time believing it will.

But you're saying Kawhi is one of the most anti-NYC athletes there is out there and 2010 is telling you that he actually loves NYC so where do you get that he's one of the most anti-NYC athletes from and that there's 0% chance that Kawhi signs with the Knicks?

Yea the anti-NYC stuff is weird and just seems based on his quiet personality. He rehabbed for months in NYC? It's not like NYC is the only place he could have done that.

[K_ick_God]

Durant and Kawhi should come together and manage each other’s loads.

[DowNY]

Kevin Durant Had Discomfort Pushing Off Right Foot Throughout Rehab
JUN 11, 2019 9:45 AM


Kevin Durant was working to speed up the recovery from his calf injury from the Western Conference Semifinals, but he was still experiencing discomfort pushing off his right foot.

Sources told Chris Haynes of Yahoo! Sports that Durant was "in agony because he was unable to help his teammates."

Durant was not anywhere close to 100 percent despite being cleared, according to sources.

Durant's status was a talking point because he wasn't ruled out indefinitely.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254152/Kevin-Durant-Had-Discomfort-Pushing-Off-Right-Foot-Throughout-Rehab

Oh man

He should sue!!!!

Nah but for real though, that sucks.
My thing is....if we really had a handshake deal, what are we gonna do if KD still expects us to sign him and keep our word?
Is it a bad look to others if we turn him down or is it a good look if we keep our word?

[F N 11]

At the end of the day AD can just fuqing walk and we are left looking stupid. We all know he’s clutch sports why fuq around?

[2010]

Kevin Durant Had Discomfort Pushing Off Right Foot Throughout Rehab
JUN 11, 2019 9:45 AM


Kevin Durant was working to speed up the recovery from his calf injury from the Western Conference Semifinals, but he was still experiencing discomfort pushing off his right foot.

Sources told Chris Haynes of Yahoo! Sports that Durant was "in agony because he was unable to help his teammates."

Durant was not anywhere close to 100 percent despite being cleared, according to sources.

Durant's status was a talking point because he wasn't ruled out indefinitely.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254152/Kevin-Durant-Had-Discomfort-Pushing-Off-Right-Foot-Throughout-Rehab

I told y'all last night. Warriors medical team made Durant and Looney's injury a pain tolerance thing with their diagnosis. Which was a very passive assessment that sets the player up to look pussy or intolerant of pain if they opt not to play. Same thing Spurs did with Kawhi. Gave no time table and left it up to the player. Which makes teammates question your commitment and pain tolerance if you continue to sit out with that unclear status placed over your head by the team.

Knicks never do that. If anything, Dolan and the medical staff keeps mum and just doesn't say chit! Like how they kept the media in the dark on Timmy's stress fracture and that allowed us to trade semi-damaged goods to Dallas.

Despite what Stephen A. Smith spews, Dolan and our media/medical policy can be viewed as an asset by players. We also allowed KP to rehab independently away from the team without balking. Dennis respects these things.

But according to site admin, I am "lost"

[Stannis]

We have tried it all but building with our own and adding pieces.

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

[dakomish23]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

[knicks9784]

I think Kyrie may come to the Knicks now, if KD isn't an option.

Would be even worse than signing an injured KD

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think Kyrie may come to the Knicks now, if KD isn't an option.

Would be even worse than signing an injured KD

Kyrie gets us AD.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I don’t know if it will hurt or help. I don’t think it matters at all.

My point is more about not signing Durant to a max deal, as you seem to be advocating for. It hasn’t worked for us in the past and it won’t work now. I’d rather go in a different direction.

The direction was picked long ago. You can't turn back now. Relationships are at stake. It's a business. If anyone turns back it would have to be KD. But if Warriors climb out the grave without him he will be feeling a need to be loved again.

Why can’t I turn back? Why am I forced to pay KD $35 and effectively put a $35 million cap hold on my team for a guy who may never come back? For relationships? F relationships then.

We’ve got some decent guys through the draft, right? Even if taking is ‘over’ we can still have a shot at top picks through the new system and even without a top 5 pick you just need a good scouting department. Kawhi wasn’t a top pick.

I don’t understand the mentality of being so close to making good decisions for the future for once in 20 years and wanting to throw it all away for an injured KD and ‘relationships’.

honestly... if KD and kawhi planned to come... and we could trade for AD after, i'd still sign KD most likely. load management for life. supporting cast to share the workload. i just need one chip in that 4-year window for it to be worthwhile. depending on the severity, KD could be ready for next year's playoffs.

big risk. but if it's kawhi ready to sign and he wants me to sign KD, i'm probably doing it.

[knicks9784]

I think Kyrie may come to the Knicks now, if KD isn't an option.

Would be even worse than signing an injured KD

Kyrie gets us AD.

Ad, Kylie and a gutted roster. No thx

[dakomish23]

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

We didn’t trade everything. Don’t ever forget the Bargs trade

The thing that killed us besides that move was that we ruined our cap flexibility by opting into Billups. Opt out, you don’t need to use the amnesty on him, you have it to use on Amare, you have a lot of cap space in 2013 coming off the best year we’ve had in over a decade.

Spilled milk now and you have to hope lessons were learned on all facets.

[shtolky]

I don't buy it. AD is better than Melo was and it wasn't the trade that was the issue, it was how the team built around Melo. Look at what we gave up for prime Melo, it's a joke. Even Ujiri mentioned this and he made the deal. You need superstars to win in the league, at least one. We have a chance to get one for 30 cents on the dollar. The KD stuff has made it a little less desirable but I still think Perry is going to go for it.

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

But we would have cap space and picks this time around. We have 7 picks over the next 5 years. If you just give up RJ and the two Dallas picks, you basically have a pick a year. If AD isn't worth it, who is? Giannis? Who else? AD is a top 5-7 player in his prime who seemingly wants to be here. This is not Melo 2.0.

[Buttah304]

I'm here for the RJ to Robinson Lob City. Let's just build a young team of straight DOGS

[Jeff Van Gully]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

not trying to use rose-colored glasses here, but KD could still be lethal off skill alone. he doesn't rely on athleticism to differentiate. so long as he can still move and keep up, he could be fine for a while.

[dakomish23]

Every player is different. Assuming that every player heals the same from every injury is naive.

not trying to use rose-colored glasses here, but KD could still be lethal off skill alone. he doesn't rely on athleticism to differentiate. so long as he can still move and keep up, he could be fine for a while.

Yep. He’s one of the best shooters in the NBA. His playmaking has become pretty good.

Like you said above, rehab as long as he needs and load management for life.

[shtolky]

You nailed it. It's how we built around him.

Hard to build around him when you have no picks, no cap, no prospects.

When you trade everything for one player, you are always going to play catch-up for the next 3 years. You just have to ask yourself if this one player is worth it or not.

We didn’t trade everything. Don’t ever forget the Bargs trade

The thing that killed us besides that move was that we ruined our cap flexibility by opting into Billups. Opt out, you don’t need to use the amnesty on him, you have it to use on Amare, you have a lot of cap space in 2013 coming off the best year we’ve had in over a decade.

Spilled milk now and you have to hope lessons were learned on all facets.

Exactly. Look at what we actually gave up for a prime Melo. It was considered a steal for us then, even by the Nuggets GM (Ujiri) who made the deal. We f'd up building around Melo with the Billups/Chandler/A'mare stuff. Look at the Harden deal, the Kawhi deal, etc. Generally when you get by far the best player in the deal, you do the deal. Now if the Pels ask for like 5 firsts, then you walk, but if it just costs us RJ, Dallas picks, Knox, DSJ, even Mitch, it has to be done. Then you use the cap space and future picks wisely.