The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[thebuzzardman]

Looks like Frank is breaking out. Sweet.
Everyday the Payton signing makes less sense.

It'll make sense when you see Payton getting 28 mpg this year

[MadGrinch]

Fizz will bury Frank sooner rather than later. Remember, Frank got a DNP when his mom flew in from France. He just doesn't see value in the kid. Fizz needs a pg who can generate points because his offensive sets won't.

It's the NBA what do you want Fiz to do start giving out pity minutes?

In case you were wondering Frank's previous 6 games stat line before that Xmas day game were

3.6 ppg/2.4 apg/2.2 rpg in 18 mpg. 21%(!!!!) from the field 18%(!!!!!!!) from 3/ 50% from the line and a combined -46 total +/-.

Frank didn't deserve to play that day and I hate this narrative that Fiz sat him out when his mom was there. No Fiz sat him out because he objectively sucked at basketball for more than a week straight and he needed a mental break probably.

I’m rooting for Frank to succeed as hard as anyone but he’s not the only young guard on the team who needs to be developed

Fix strikes me as someone who genuinely cares his players do well . After that stretch of games he needed to sit not just for him but also because you can’t continue to sit others for him when he plays like that.

[remi_222]

Nothing is more french than this game ! After a feat comes the desapointing defeat !
The only positive point was Frank's great game, and me hanging out on this thread all day to forget we lost.
About Frank, it's the first im let down by Collet ! What putting him out when we knew that Albicy wouldnt bring more than Frank !
He was the offensive leader for a short period of time but could have launched the clik that we needed if he has stayed on the floor.
It's the first time since U20 competition that i see him creating his own shot after a screen repeatedly, and its a great weapons that ABSOLUTELY translatable !

About the game, Argentina pressured us soo much Fournier and De Colo couldnt feed the rest of the team and deliver individually! The best team won, no question! Revenge vs Australia Sunday !

[j4remi]

Anti THJ = Michael Jordan

Doghouse Nate Robinson
Saint Pattys Toney Douglas
No Houston Lavor Postell
DNP Lance Thomas
Blue Jersey Jackie Butler

to round out the bench

Shved the Gawd waiting for his chance to break through.

[GONYK]

Watch on YouTube

[El Poochio]

French pod is smoking to much weed.

Read on Twitter

Lol french pod in meltdown mode since France lost

Its good I want his first trophy to be with Knicks

[stuporman]

Stop all the Besart Operations finally found the best possible 5 men combo ever

FIBA Frank
Linsanity
Garbage Time Vujacic
Olympic Melo
Summer League NDOUR

Fixed...cornrow Burke for sixth man

[El Poochio]

Anti THJ = Michael Jordan

Doghouse Nate Robinson
Saint Pattys Toney Douglas
No Houston Lavor Postell
DNP Lance Thomas
Blue Jersey Jackie Butler

to round out the bench

Shved the Gawd waiting for his chance to break through.

Meme Chris Smith and Avatar Ron Baker 2 way players

[remi_222]

Cant stop myslef to see the minus in Frank's game as well, but one thing shows what he has to work on for his veryyy close future :
He stops himself in the middle of a penetration for either draw a foul or score, because his freak body will always give him the opportunity to have a shot window.
In this sense, being inspired by Giannis is the best way to dev this skill ! He's too good of a shooter to litteraly refuse to get points because of his shyness, he's becoming more "mean" on the floor, he's like Son Gohan starting getting mad before he kills Cell (Dragon Ball Z reference :

Watch on YouTube

[El Poochio]

Nothing is more french than this game ! After a feat comes the desapointing defeat !
The only positive point was Frank's great game, and me hanging out on this thread all day to forget we lost.
About Frank, it's the first im let down by Collet ! What putting him out when we knew that Albicy wouldnt bring more than Frank !
He was the offensive leader for a short period of time but could have launched the clik that we needed if he has stayed on the floor.
It's the first time since U20 competition that i see him creating his own shot after a screen repeatedly, and its a great weapons that ABSOLUTELY translatable !

About the game, Argentina pressured us soo much Fournier and De Colo couldnt feed the rest of the team and deliver individually! The best team won, no question! Revenge vs Australia Sunday !

Should have learned by now being fave in a game in this tourny = easy loss

[GONYK]

Frank has really worked that hesitation dribble into his game over the course of this tournament

[taj2133]

Current, former coaches on challenges facing Knicks' David Fizdale in Year 2
'It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy'
By Ian Begley | 9:45AM
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David Fizdale
David Fizdale
Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

Knicks training camp has some intriguing storylines.

We'll all be keeping an eye on RJ Barrett, the position battles (Dennis Smith Jr. and Elfrid Payton at point guard, for one), Mitchell Robinson's progression, Frank Ntilikina's status, etc.

It will be interesting to see who starts and who comes off the bench in preseason games and who earns a spot in the regular-season rotation.


Clearly, David Fizdale has plenty of options with his lineups this year. It also seems like he has some difficult decisions to make.

The Knicks, on paper, have at least 12 players who you'd think have a shot at making the regular rotation. (That doesn't count Reggie Bullock, who is expected to miss at least one month of the regular season.)

So there will be nights when players who entered training camp expecting minutes/a regular role don't see the floor.

Of course, all NBA coaches are faced with several tough calls on lineups/rotations. That's the nature of the business.

But there's an added wrinkle for Fizdale that, in one coach's mind, makes his job this season "really difficult": Fizdale will have to balance the goal of winning games with developing the Knicks' younger players.

Those two objectives can sometimes be at odds, as we saw last season.

The Knicks have several veteran free agents on short-term deals who, presumably, expect to get minutes and shots this season. That's an element that probably makes Fizdale's job this season all the more challenging.

"It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy," the coach said.

With all of that in mind, we asked several coaches to share their thoughts on Fizdale's mission this season -- winning games, developing young players, navigating a roster with several vets on short-term deals -- and the inherent challenges it brings.

(All coaches spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could feel comfortable expressing their opinions.)

Current NBA coach
"I think it's a huge challenge. In order to develop those younger players, they have to play. That's the No. 1 part of development. Drills in practice are only so good. If you're going to really grow and improve, you have to play in this league. And when you have these veterans that are on these short-term deals, they want to play too. They'll help the younger guys in some ways but they want to be on the floor, they want to perform so they can get the next contract. Then you run into, if (Julius) Randle and (Kevin) Knox play the same position, and Randle's better, where is Knox going to play? He has to see the floor. So it's going to make it difficult. And he can't play all of the guards and wings they have. There's only so many minutes to go around."



Former NBA coach 1
"(Balancing the goals of developing young players with soon-to-be free agents on the roster) can definitely be difficult. The guys who signed on short deals didn't come here to be on the bench. But I think he has an obligation to play those young guys - Barrett, Knox, Robinson and the rest of them. Because the Knicks need to find out who to keep going forward. So do you play the lineups that give you the best chance to win? Or do you play the younger guys because you need to see what they have? In a perfect world, those young guys are part of your best lineups."

Of course, it's way too early -- and probably unfair -- to assume that the free agents who signed here will cause friction if they don't play. It's also unfair to assume that the young players wouldn't except a reserve role behind one of the free-agent signees.

In a perfect world for the Knicks, all players accept their roles and Fizdale finds a combination of lineups that helps them win some games. Then, the division of minutes shots shouldn't be a major issue for Fizdale. Players who get DNPs on winning teams are less likely to grumble publicly about their roles.

And not all coaches believe that the veterans who are on short-term deals will hurt the development of the younger players. One former coach believes the Knicks' approach - surrounding the young players with vets - can be beneficial to New York's youthful core.

Former NBA coach 2
"Putting veteran guys around the (young players), I don't think it hurts. These veteran guys are on short-term contracts. I've had that before. The vets are going to be hungry enough to play and prove themselves. And if they do it right, you know, most veteran guys are not going to show their ass to the point where they become disruptive for the coach. Because they're still trying to get paid too, get another deal. So it's kind of a two-way street. You can come in there as a veteran and try to be an a--hole, then you screw yourself down the road. But in this day and time, I think veterans are a little smarter than that. To the point where they'll try to do what the coach asks them to do and hopefully in doing that, you win. And then you'll get that next contract. But look, at the end of the day, it comes down to coaching and it comes down to chemistry. And the coaches have to show that they've helped the young players get better this year."

Current NBA coach
"With the Knicks, you're also thinking, 'What's their identity? How do they want to play?' You look at Brooklyn (over the last few seasons) and they had a plan and a style. They shot threes, they played fast, they defended. I didn't know the Knicks' identity last year. And in general, you just hope that (Fizdale) gets a fair shot. I don't know if their other recent coaches got a fair shot. You just hope that he's part of the plan and that the team fits who he is as a coach."

To that point, team president Steve Mills, GM Scott Perry and Fizdale said several times last season that they work collaboratively. So the Knicks' triumvirate should be on the same page ahead of what feels like a crucial year.

With Mills and Perry are entering their third season together, it's safe to assume that the Knicks need to show some progress in 2019-20.

You get the sense that no one at the Garden is going to be thrilled with another 17-win season. The Knicks have lost at least 50 games in five straight seasons; this summer was supposed to be the light at the end of a long and dark tunnel, but New York missed out on its top free agent targets. Two of those targets (Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving) signed with their cross-town rivals.

So it's safe to assume that this group needs to take a step forward in 2019-20 to keep everyone at MSG happy.

Does that mean winning 30 games? Thirty-five? Only top decision-makers know the answer to that question.

All we know is that Fizdale will play a crucial role in how it all unfolds.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/current-former-coaches-on-challenges-facing-knicks-david-fizdale-in-year-2/310699212

[2010]

I want Frank to continue this confident level of play, carry it over into training camp and the NBA regular season, and prove me wrong.

I got no ego wit it. I'd rather be wrong and he develops into something good, than be proven right to the detriment of his future with the Knicks.

[GONYK]

Current, former coaches on challenges facing Knicks' David Fizdale in Year 2
'It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy'
By Ian Begley | 9:45AM
Share:
David Fizdale
David Fizdale
Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

Knicks training camp has some intriguing storylines.

We'll all be keeping an eye on RJ Barrett, the position battles (Dennis Smith Jr. and Elfrid Payton at point guard, for one), Mitchell Robinson's progression, Frank Ntilikina's status, etc.

It will be interesting to see who starts and who comes off the bench in preseason games and who earns a spot in the regular-season rotation.


Clearly, David Fizdale has plenty of options with his lineups this year. It also seems like he has some difficult decisions to make.

The Knicks, on paper, have at least 12 players who you'd think have a shot at making the regular rotation. (That doesn't count Reggie Bullock, who is expected to miss at least one month of the regular season.)

So there will be nights when players who entered training camp expecting minutes/a regular role don't see the floor.

Of course, all NBA coaches are faced with several tough calls on lineups/rotations. That's the nature of the business.

But there's an added wrinkle for Fizdale that, in one coach's mind, makes his job this season "really difficult": Fizdale will have to balance the goal of winning games with developing the Knicks' younger players.

Those two objectives can sometimes be at odds, as we saw last season.

The Knicks have several veteran free agents on short-term deals who, presumably, expect to get minutes and shots this season. That's an element that probably makes Fizdale's job this season all the more challenging.

"It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy," the coach said.

With all of that in mind, we asked several coaches to share their thoughts on Fizdale's mission this season -- winning games, developing young players, navigating a roster with several vets on short-term deals -- and the inherent challenges it brings.

(All coaches spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could feel comfortable expressing their opinions.)

Current NBA coach
"I think it's a huge challenge. In order to develop those younger players, they have to play. That's the No. 1 part of development. Drills in practice are only so good. If you're going to really grow and improve, you have to play in this league. And when you have these veterans that are on these short-term deals, they want to play too. They'll help the younger guys in some ways but they want to be on the floor, they want to perform so they can get the next contract. Then you run into, if (Julius) Randle and (Kevin) Knox play the same position, and Randle's better, where is Knox going to play? He has to see the floor. So it's going to make it difficult. And he can't play all of the guards and wings they have. There's only so many minutes to go around."



Former NBA coach 1
"(Balancing the goals of developing young players with soon-to-be free agents on the roster) can definitely be difficult. The guys who signed on short deals didn't come here to be on the bench. But I think he has an obligation to play those young guys - Barrett, Knox, Robinson and the rest of them. Because the Knicks need to find out who to keep going forward. So do you play the lineups that give you the best chance to win? Or do you play the younger guys because you need to see what they have? In a perfect world, those young guys are part of your best lineups."

Of course, it's way too early -- and probably unfair -- to assume that the free agents who signed here will cause friction if they don't play. It's also unfair to assume that the young players wouldn't except a reserve role behind one of the free-agent signees.

In a perfect world for the Knicks, all players accept their roles and Fizdale finds a combination of lineups that helps them win some games. Then, the division of minutes shots shouldn't be a major issue for Fizdale. Players who get DNPs on winning teams are less likely to grumble publicly about their roles.

And not all coaches believe that the veterans who are on short-term deals will hurt the development of the younger players. One former coach believes the Knicks' approach - surrounding the young players with vets - can be beneficial to New York's youthful core.

Former NBA coach 2
"Putting veteran guys around the (young players), I don't think it hurts. These veteran guys are on short-term contracts. I've had that before. The vets are going to be hungry enough to play and prove themselves. And if they do it right, you know, most veteran guys are not going to show their ass to the point where they become disruptive for the coach. Because they're still trying to get paid too, get another deal. So it's kind of a two-way street. You can come in there as a veteran and try to be an a--hole, then you screw yourself down the road. But in this day and time, I think veterans are a little smarter than that. To the point where they'll try to do what the coach asks them to do and hopefully in doing that, you win. And then you'll get that next contract. But look, at the end of the day, it comes down to coaching and it comes down to chemistry. And the coaches have to show that they've helped the young players get better this year."

Current NBA coach
"With the Knicks, you're also thinking, 'What's their identity? How do they want to play?' You look at Brooklyn (over the last few seasons) and they had a plan and a style. They shot threes, they played fast, they defended. I didn't know the Knicks' identity last year. And in general, you just hope that (Fizdale) gets a fair shot. I don't know if their other recent coaches got a fair shot. You just hope that he's part of the plan and that the team fits who he is as a coach."

To that point, team president Steve Mills, GM Scott Perry and Fizdale said several times last season that they work collaboratively. So the Knicks' triumvirate should be on the same page ahead of what feels like a crucial year.

With Mills and Perry are entering their third season together, it's safe to assume that the Knicks need to show some progress in 2019-20.

You get the sense that no one at the Garden is going to be thrilled with another 17-win season. The Knicks have lost at least 50 games in five straight seasons; this summer was supposed to be the light at the end of a long and dark tunnel, but New York missed out on its top free agent targets. Two of those targets (Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving) signed with their cross-town rivals.

So it's safe to assume that this group needs to take a step forward in 2019-20 to keep everyone at MSG happy.

Does that mean winning 30 games? Thirty-five? Only top decision-makers know the answer to that question.

All we know is that Fizdale will play a crucial role in how it all unfolds.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/current-former-coaches-on-challenges-facing-knicks-david-fizdale-in-year-2/310699212

Bingo.

Fizdale just rolled the balls out last year and talked sweet to everyone.

[K_ick_God]

French pod is smoking to much weed.

Read on Twitter

He hasn't slept in a couple of days.

[CptCrunch]

Frank deserves playing time.

Get rid of Kevin Poopx, get RJ at 3.

Gonna suck to see Elfrid "Finished Product" Payton plat 25 minutes a game this year.

[Jay10]

Current, former coaches on challenges facing Knicks' David Fizdale in Year 2
'It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy'
By Ian Begley | 9:45AM
Share:
David Fizdale
David Fizdale
Ian Begley, SNY.tv | Twitter |

Knicks training camp has some intriguing storylines.

We'll all be keeping an eye on RJ Barrett, the position battles (Dennis Smith Jr. and Elfrid Payton at point guard, for one), Mitchell Robinson's progression, Frank Ntilikina's status, etc.

It will be interesting to see who starts and who comes off the bench in preseason games and who earns a spot in the regular-season rotation.


Clearly, David Fizdale has plenty of options with his lineups this year. It also seems like he has some difficult decisions to make.

The Knicks, on paper, have at least 12 players who you'd think have a shot at making the regular rotation. (That doesn't count Reggie Bullock, who is expected to miss at least one month of the regular season.)

So there will be nights when players who entered training camp expecting minutes/a regular role don't see the floor.

Of course, all NBA coaches are faced with several tough calls on lineups/rotations. That's the nature of the business.

But there's an added wrinkle for Fizdale that, in one coach's mind, makes his job this season "really difficult": Fizdale will have to balance the goal of winning games with developing the Knicks' younger players.

Those two objectives can sometimes be at odds, as we saw last season.

The Knicks have several veteran free agents on short-term deals who, presumably, expect to get minutes and shots this season. That's an element that probably makes Fizdale's job this season all the more challenging.

"It's safe to say that it's going to be tough to keep everyone in that locker room happy," the coach said.

With all of that in mind, we asked several coaches to share their thoughts on Fizdale's mission this season -- winning games, developing young players, navigating a roster with several vets on short-term deals -- and the inherent challenges it brings.

(All coaches spoke on the condition of anonymity so they could feel comfortable expressing their opinions.)

Current NBA coach
"I think it's a huge challenge. In order to develop those younger players, they have to play. That's the No. 1 part of development. Drills in practice are only so good. If you're going to really grow and improve, you have to play in this league. And when you have these veterans that are on these short-term deals, they want to play too. They'll help the younger guys in some ways but they want to be on the floor, they want to perform so they can get the next contract. Then you run into, if (Julius) Randle and (Kevin) Knox play the same position, and Randle's better, where is Knox going to play? He has to see the floor. So it's going to make it difficult. And he can't play all of the guards and wings they have. There's only so many minutes to go around."



Former NBA coach 1
"(Balancing the goals of developing young players with soon-to-be free agents on the roster) can definitely be difficult. The guys who signed on short deals didn't come here to be on the bench. But I think he has an obligation to play those young guys - Barrett, Knox, Robinson and the rest of them. Because the Knicks need to find out who to keep going forward. So do you play the lineups that give you the best chance to win? Or do you play the younger guys because you need to see what they have? In a perfect world, those young guys are part of your best lineups."

Of course, it's way too early -- and probably unfair -- to assume that the free agents who signed here will cause friction if they don't play. It's also unfair to assume that the young players wouldn't except a reserve role behind one of the free-agent signees.

In a perfect world for the Knicks, all players accept their roles and Fizdale finds a combination of lineups that helps them win some games. Then, the division of minutes shots shouldn't be a major issue for Fizdale. Players who get DNPs on winning teams are less likely to grumble publicly about their roles.

And not all coaches believe that the veterans who are on short-term deals will hurt the development of the younger players. One former coach believes the Knicks' approach - surrounding the young players with vets - can be beneficial to New York's youthful core.

Former NBA coach 2
"Putting veteran guys around the (young players), I don't think it hurts. These veteran guys are on short-term contracts. I've had that before. The vets are going to be hungry enough to play and prove themselves. And if they do it right, you know, most veteran guys are not going to show their ass to the point where they become disruptive for the coach. Because they're still trying to get paid too, get another deal. So it's kind of a two-way street. You can come in there as a veteran and try to be an a--hole, then you screw yourself down the road. But in this day and time, I think veterans are a little smarter than that. To the point where they'll try to do what the coach asks them to do and hopefully in doing that, you win. And then you'll get that next contract. But look, at the end of the day, it comes down to coaching and it comes down to chemistry. And the coaches have to show that they've helped the young players get better this year."

Current NBA coach
"With the Knicks, you're also thinking, 'What's their identity? How do they want to play?' You look at Brooklyn (over the last few seasons) and they had a plan and a style. They shot threes, they played fast, they defended. I didn't know the Knicks' identity last year. And in general, you just hope that (Fizdale) gets a fair shot. I don't know if their other recent coaches got a fair shot. You just hope that he's part of the plan and that the team fits who he is as a coach."

To that point, team president Steve Mills, GM Scott Perry and Fizdale said several times last season that they work collaboratively. So the Knicks' triumvirate should be on the same page ahead of what feels like a crucial year.

With Mills and Perry are entering their third season together, it's safe to assume that the Knicks need to show some progress in 2019-20.

You get the sense that no one at the Garden is going to be thrilled with another 17-win season. The Knicks have lost at least 50 games in five straight seasons; this summer was supposed to be the light at the end of a long and dark tunnel, but New York missed out on its top free agent targets. Two of those targets (Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving) signed with their cross-town rivals.

So it's safe to assume that this group needs to take a step forward in 2019-20 to keep everyone at MSG happy.

Does that mean winning 30 games? Thirty-five? Only top decision-makers know the answer to that question.

All we know is that Fizdale will play a crucial role in how it all unfolds.

https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/current-former-coaches-on-challenges-facing-knicks-david-fizdale-in-year-2/310699212

Bingo.

Fizdale just rolled the balls out last year and talked sweet to everyone.

It's basically the Pat Riley/Mike Woodson special of isolation ball on every possession, and pray you have more points than the opponent at the final buzzer.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Stop all the Besart Operations finally found the best possible 5 men combo ever

FIBA Frank
Tanking Season Tim Hardaway
Garbage Time Vujacic
Olympic Melo
Summer League NDOUR

Fixed...cornrow Burke for sixth man

i bet olympic melo vs hoodie melo was a tough choice.

honorable mention: strip club patrick

[Jeff Van Gully]

If Frank continues this hot streak it will only be good for us. Fiz has so many cool lineups he can throw out there that mix the vets and the young guys. Hope he gets creative with some of the lineups.

I want the Knicks to go big once in awhile. Frank/RJ/Morris/Randle/Mitch is a good offense/defense balance and would force teams to adjust. I actually don't think you could small ball that squad off the court but I'm speculating.

morris and randle would alternate having trouble keeping up with quicker forwards. but that's a good big lineup.

[Jeff Van Gully]

French pod is smoking to much weed.

Read on Twitter

to be fair, isn't this the mentality you decry frank for not having?