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Post#1721 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:41 pm

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Serious question.

Do you want Bogdanovic on your cap for 3 or 4 years at roughly 20 million per?

Because he's 28 years old. He's got this one chance to really get paid in the NBA. He's not taking 10 million, and based on what guys like Bertans or Woods got, at about 14 and 16, I think Bogs tries hard to exceed that as he's a little older/proven better.

Folks were balking at FVV for 24/25 million even though it solved PG for a while, as the price was "too high" for what he brought. And while Bogs IS good, he's sort of an all around skilled glue guy. Does a rebuilding team "solve" SG for 4 years and 20 million with that player?

I can see a case for yes and no.

It would certainly feel EMOTIONALLY better that the Knicks came away in FA with a player who is an actual part of the future instead another year of placeholders, even if this group of placeholders makes more sense fit and $ wise.

I vote "yes".

At the moment this seems to be an almost identical re-run of last year without the team options. All of the vets need selfish playing time as the all have to find new contracts next year. People have fantasies about trading them for picks to contenders at the trade deadline. Only Marcus Morris evinced any interest at all out of the seven-nine players in that situation last year. And to put those players in the shop window means emphasising their playing time over the people on rookie contracts - some of whom at least may have some kind of future with the Knicks past summer 2021. Seems like an utterly abysmal strategy to me. But, hey.

Signing Bogdan would at least allow some stability for the likes of RJ and Obi. And he's levels better than Burks and Bullock.


I'm not going to overrate Burks, but I'm not sure Bogdan is "levels" better. Better? Sure. Levels? Maybe 1, whatever "level" means.

The thing is, Bogdan then occupies one of your max slots, basically. Is he worth that?
Again, I could see why a team would and would not do it.
I lean "slight yes" on Bogs.

Also, he's somehow going to Atlanta or Pacers. Knicks never win out in situations like this, even if they have any interest, which I'm not sure.

Ellington and Burks are really pretty close -

ttps://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Wayne+Ellington&player_id1_select=Wayne+Ellington&player_id1=ellinwa01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=Alec+Burks&player_id2_select=Alec+Burks&player_id2=burksal01&idx=bbr__players

Ellington shoots more 3s and at a slightly better %age. Burks takes more 2s, but they score 2s at the same rate. Burks does get to the FT line more and offers a little more in rb and asst, but also to is 2/36m rather than 1/36m. So, as you say, more playmaking, but in principal less spacing. But the differences are relatively marginal imo.

re Bogdan: yes you're right there's not a that much between him and Burks - I overestimated that. But Bogdan does shoot twice as many 3s as Burks (again at a very slightly better rate).

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Wayne+Ellington&player_id1_select=Wayne+Ellington&player_id1=ellinwa01&idx=bbr__players&player_id2_hint=Alec+Burks&player_id2_select=Alec+Burks&player_id2=burksal01&idx=bbr__players&player_id3_hint=Bogdan+Bogdanovi%C4%87&player_id3_select=Bogdan+Bogdanovi%C4%87&player_id3=bogdabo01&idx=bbr__players
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Post#1722 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:41 pm

The Knicks have emerged? They've been the only team with cap space left for a minute. We got 2 2nds for Davis. Where is LAL getting that from?
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Post#1723 » by Fat » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:42 pm

Monk1718 wrote:Knicks are a discount OKC but instead of a ridiculous amount of 1st rounders we have 2nds. It’s a start though.


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Post#1724 » by Richard4444 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:43 pm

Frank Mason is now UFA.

People here love Franks. Sooner than later they will start to advocating Mason and Kaminsky signings...
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Post#1725 » by F N 11 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:44 pm

Lol discount OKC.
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Post#1726 » by Oscirus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:45 pm

Richard4444 wrote:Frank Mason is now UFA.

People here love Franks. Sooner than later they will start to advocating Mason and Kaminsky signings...

Is frank caa?
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Post#1728 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:45 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Would horten tucker make some sense? Young player that can shoot?



yeah I'd def take him to take on McGee. Better than nothing.
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Post#1729 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:46 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:We have suffered enough. We don't need Kuzma too. Give me that 2023 2nd rounder to add to the stockpile


Tryout Kuzma man, we could always flip him next year like Presti does


Eh, hes ok. He will probably cost more then that anyway.
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Post#1730 » by Dantares » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:47 pm

I wish there was a way we could move Randle and figure out a way to get Kuzma. Kuzma would be a good fit with RJ and Mitch. I remember watching a game when both Bron and AD were out. Kuzma scored like 37 and the Lakers won.
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Post#1731 » by F N 11 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:48 pm

Somebody said give me Kostas lol
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Post#1732 » by Juco24 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:48 pm

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Post#1733 » by Madskillzz024 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:49 pm

Leon Rose was Kuzma's agent
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Post#1734 » by Oscirus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:49 pm

we aint getting kuzma. We couldnt even get kuzma for marcus morris, I doubt they'd give him away in a dump off
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Post#1735 » by Dantares » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:53 pm

Oscirus wrote:we aint getting kuzma. We couldnt even get kuzma for marcus morris, I doubt they'd give him away in a dump off


If Kuzma says he wants to come here then we can make a deal. Markieff Morris basically does what Kuzma does. Kuzma is more talented but in his current role he is just a 3 and d guy.
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Post#1736 » by Monk1718 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:54 pm

Juco24 wrote:
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Lakers fans are the absolute worst. And people talk about us. SMDH


The worst part is him proposing this hypothetical trade by saying “would you do this?” as if they’re doing us a favor
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Post#1737 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:54 pm

i figured it out. kuzma & mcgee for bullock.
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Post#1738 » by robillionaire » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:55 pm

Payton
Burks
Kuzma
Randle
McGee

Frank
RJ
Knox
Toppin
Noel
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Post#1739 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:55 pm

robillionaire wrote:Payton
Burks
Kuzma
Randle
McGee

Frank
RJ
Knox
Toppin
Noel


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Post#1740 » by Oscirus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:55 pm

Dantares wrote:
Oscirus wrote:we aint getting kuzma. We couldnt even get kuzma for marcus morris, I doubt they'd give him away in a dump off


If Kuzma says he wants to come here then we can make a deal. Markieff Morris basically does what Kuzma does. Kuzma is more talented but in his current role he is just a 3 and d guy.

Why is he willingly leaving a championship team in a major city to come play for us?
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