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[NoDopeOnSundays]

That’s the same argument people used for Frank. They said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday as a rookie.

I think Trent is nice and wouldn’t mind him, but there’s a risk he’s like Tim Hardaway. Lavine is a sure thing on the other hand and is playing like a legit all star. A core of Lavine, RJ, Randle, Quickley and Mitch is a bright future imo.

LaVine is on a losing team, he's not a guy you build around, neither is Randle. You're skipping the most important step which is having a true superstar, neither one of them is that, and it would be no different than what the Pacers are going through, or what the Wiz went through with a healthy Wall and Beal. Which is you're a good team, not great, and you're capped out because LaVine is going to get that extension, Randle is going to get a new contract and Mitch is going to get a contract as well. You've depleted your asset base to get LaVine, so you can't trade for the next superstar, and you don't have the space to sign one 2-3 years from now because you've locked into that core, and you're too good to get a top 10 lottery pick.

That is how the story of trading for LaVine ends, we've seen this story over and over again. Trent is averaging 20ppg now as a starter, LaVine isn't 5x better than that, and soon enough he's going to be getting paid 2x as much as Trent.

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

[knickstape4ever]

Bulls are unlikely to trade Lavine just like we're unlikely to trade Randle

[Davis18]

LaVine is on a losing team, he's not a guy you build around, neither is Randle. You're skipping the most important step which is having a true superstar, neither one of them is that, and it would be no different than what the Pacers are going through, or what the Wiz went through with a healthy Wall and Beal. Which is you're a good team, not great, and you're capped out because LaVine is going to get that extension, Randle is going to get a new contract and Mitch is going to get a contract as well. You've depleted your asset base to get LaVine, so you can't trade for the next superstar, and you don't have the space to sign one 2-3 years from now because you've locked into that core, and you're too good to get a top 10 lottery pick.

That is how the story of trading for LaVine ends, we've seen this story over and over again. Trent is averaging 20ppg now as a starter, LaVine isn't 5x better than that, and soon enough he's going to be getting paid 2x as much as Trent.

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.

LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

Seriously, why would Randle & his agent not demand max extension?
Gordon Hayward is getting 30M per.
Also, we need to add Lavine's acquisition cost with Trent when comparing the two.

[3toheadmelo]

He is right now but compare Trent Jr's stats this year with LaVine's stats when he was just 22. Not that much of a difference and Trent Jr. is a two-way player and only a RFA. That combined with the fact that we wouldn't have to mortgage the future for him favors making the move for GTJ instead of LaVine.

That’s the same argument people used for Frank. They said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday as a rookie.

I think Trent is nice and wouldn’t mind him, but there’s a risk he’s like Tim Hardaway. Lavine is a sure thing on the other hand and is playing like a legit all star. A core of Lavine, RJ, Randle, Quickley and Mitch is a bright future imo.

Look at him next to Lillard. He's more Klay Thompson than Timmy. Big guard. Good defense. Lights out shooter. Good discretion on when he's hot and not. You can put a Trent on pretty much any roster and it'll hum. He'll be hard to pry from the Blazers imo.

Lavine is more like a WAYYYYY souped up Timmy. A little streakier than Trent and more dynamic. I think you need a certain personnel for a player like him.

Trent is pretty bad on defense though. Pretty much every metric says so.

Trent is actually much more streaky as well. He has a FG% of 44. Compare that to Lavine, who has a FG% of 52% as a #1 option while averaging almost 30 points a game. That’s insane.

So not only is Lavine a much better scorer and more efficient, he also play makes, averaging 5 APG. Trent gives you nothing there. So considering they’re both bad defenders but Lavine absolutely kills him offensively, it doesn’t seem much of a debate for me who I rather have We really need that second shot creating scorer next to Randle and I just don’t see Trent being that guy. He’s decent for sure... but giving him all that money just to be a shooter who does nothing else limits our ceiling imo.

[3toheadmelo]

LaVine is on a losing team, he's not a guy you build around, neither is Randle. You're skipping the most important step which is having a true superstar, neither one of them is that, and it would be no different than what the Pacers are going through, or what the Wiz went through with a healthy Wall and Beal. Which is you're a good team, not great, and you're capped out because LaVine is going to get that extension, Randle is going to get a new contract and Mitch is going to get a contract as well. You've depleted your asset base to get LaVine, so you can't trade for the next superstar, and you don't have the space to sign one 2-3 years from now because you've locked into that core, and you're too good to get a top 10 lottery pick.

That is how the story of trading for LaVine ends, we've seen this story over and over again. Trent is averaging 20ppg now as a starter, LaVine isn't 5x better than that, and soon enough he's going to be getting paid 2x as much as Trent.

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

[HarthorneWingo]

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

So, are you trading for him and, if so, what exactly are you realistically willing to give up?

[Capn'O]

That’s the same argument people used for Frank. They said Frank was better than Jrue Holiday as a rookie.

I think Trent is nice and wouldn’t mind him, but there’s a risk he’s like Tim Hardaway. Lavine is a sure thing on the other hand and is playing like a legit all star. A core of Lavine, RJ, Randle, Quickley and Mitch is a bright future imo.

Look at him next to Lillard. He's more Klay Thompson than Timmy. Big guard. Good defense. Lights out shooter. Good discretion on when he's hot and not. You can put a Trent on pretty much any roster and it'll hum. He'll be hard to pry from the Blazers imo.

Lavine is more like a WAYYYYY souped up Timmy. A little streakier than Trent and more dynamic. I think you need a certain personnel for a player like him.

Trent is pretty bad on defense though. Pretty much every metric says so.

Trent is actually much more streaky as well. He has a FG% of 44. Compare that to Lavine, who has a FG% of 52% as a #1 option while averaging almost 30 points a game. That’s insane.

So not only is Lavine a much better scorer and more efficient, he also play makes, averaging 5 APG. Trent gives you nothing there. So considering they’re both bad defenders but Lavine absolutely kills him offensively, it doesn’t seem much of a debate for me who I rather have We really need that second shot creating scorer next to Randle and I just don’t see Trent being that guy. He’s decent for sure... but giving him all that money just to be a shooter who does nothing else limits our ceiling imo.

I think RJ is that guy and Quickley shows a lot of promise in that direction as well. Trent is the great off ball player that provides a release valve but can also hurt you in other ways. He's no #1 but is a guy that complements any team well. To me, pairing Lavine with our personnel isn't a good match but I could see an argument for completely revamping the team around Lavine. I would look to get a dynamic 5 with him, a 3-D point, and rugged defenders at the forward spots. As it stands, our forwards need the ball in their hands a lot.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

How did you manage to make our cap higher with Trent than with LaVine? LaVine is going to be making almost $40 million per season on his next contract, Trent is going to be making between $16-20 million. The whole point of going after someone like Trent is that he allows you to get a quality starter, maintain your assets and still have flexibility to make moves or sign someone else. You trade for LaVine and that's it, that's your team, that's your core.

You have never answered the question, where is the real superstar player going to come from if we have to trade for LaVine? Betting on LaVine to be a superstar is a losing bet, the Bulls bet on him being able to help them win games, and he's failed at that. A superstar usually can win games on their own, Harden did it for years in a much tougher conference, and even he needed a to be teamed up with a better player to have a real chance at winning a title.

[3toheadmelo]

Look at him next to Lillard. He's more Klay Thompson than Timmy. Big guard. Good defense. Lights out shooter. Good discretion on when he's hot and not. You can put a Trent on pretty much any roster and it'll hum. He'll be hard to pry from the Blazers imo.

Lavine is more like a WAYYYYY souped up Timmy. A little streakier than Trent and more dynamic. I think you need a certain personnel for a player like him.

Trent is pretty bad on defense though. Pretty much every metric says so.

Trent is actually much more streaky as well. He has a FG% of 44. Compare that to Lavine, who has a FG% of 52% as a #1 option while averaging almost 30 points a game. That’s insane.

So not only is Lavine a much better scorer and more efficient, he also play makes, averaging 5 APG. Trent gives you nothing there. So considering they’re both bad defenders but Lavine absolutely kills him offensively, it doesn’t seem much of a debate for me who I rather have We really need that second shot creating scorer next to Randle and I just don’t see Trent being that guy. He’s decent for sure... but giving him all that money just to be a shooter who does nothing else limits our ceiling imo.

I think RJ is that guy and Quickley shows a lot of promise in that direction as well. Trent is the great off ball player that provides a release valve but can also hurt you in other ways. He's no #1 but is a guy that complements any team well. To me, pairing Lavine with our personnel isn't a good match but I could see an argument for completely revamping the team around Lavine. I would look to get a dynamic 5 with him, a 3-D point, and rugged defenders at the forward spots. As it stands, our forwards need the ball in their hands a lot.

I personally think Lavine is a great match for us. We really need another scorer/facilitor next to Randle. RJ is good but he’s not that guy yet. Quickley too.

[Capn'O]

Trent is pretty bad on defense though. Pretty much every metric says so.

Trent is actually much more streaky as well. He has a FG% of 44. Compare that to Lavine, who has a FG% of 52% as a #1 option while averaging almost 30 points a game. That’s insane.

So not only is Lavine a much better scorer and more efficient, he also play makes, averaging 5 APG. Trent gives you nothing there. So considering they’re both bad defenders but Lavine absolutely kills him offensively, it doesn’t seem much of a debate for me who I rather have We really need that second shot creating scorer next to Randle and I just don’t see Trent being that guy. He’s decent for sure... but giving him all that money just to be a shooter who does nothing else limits our ceiling imo.

I think RJ is that guy and Quickley shows a lot of promise in that direction as well. Trent is the great off ball player that provides a release valve but can also hurt you in other ways. He's no #1 but is a guy that complements any team well. To me, pairing Lavine with our personnel isn't a good match but I could see an argument for completely revamping the team around Lavine. I would look to get a dynamic 5 with him, a 3-D point, and rugged defenders at the forward spots. As it stands, our forwards need the ball in their hands a lot.

I personally think Lavine is a great match for us. We really need another scorer/facilitor next to Randle. RJ is good but he’s not that guy yet. Quickley too.

He isn't yet but I think he becomes more consistently that next season. I'm looking at a core 2-3 or so years out. And, I still think we should go guard in the draft. Possibly even consolidate if that is possible.

[3toheadmelo]

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

How did you manage to make our cap higher with Trent than with LaVine? LaVine is going to be making almost $40 million per season on his next contract, Trent is going to be making between $16-20 million. The whole point of going after someone like Trent is that he allows you to get a quality starter, maintain your assets and still have flexibility to make moves or sign someone else. You trade for LaVine and that's it, that's your team, that's your core.

You have never answered the question, where is the real superstar player going to come from if we have to trade for LaVine? Betting on LaVine to be a superstar is a losing bet, the Bulls bet on him being able to help them win games, and he's failed at that. A superstar usually can win games on their own, Harden did it for years in a much tougher conference, and even he needed a to be teamed up with a better player to have a real chance at winning a title.

Bulls have a bunch of bums and Billy Donovan is a overrated coach. Hard to judge him as a losing player there. And as we’ve seen what Thibs has done with guys like Butler and now Randle, it’s not a stretch to say Lavine can take another leap under him.

We’d still have flexibility with Lavine cause he isn’t due for another contract for another year. So we can still trade for a superstar.

[3toheadmelo]

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.


LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

So, are you trading for him and, if so, what exactly are you realistically willing to give up?

Too lazy to post the whole proposal. It’s somewhere in the pg thread

[3toheadmelo]

I think RJ is that guy and Quickley shows a lot of promise in that direction as well. Trent is the great off ball player that provides a release valve but can also hurt you in other ways. He's no #1 but is a guy that complements any team well. To me, pairing Lavine with our personnel isn't a good match but I could see an argument for completely revamping the team around Lavine. I would look to get a dynamic 5 with him, a 3-D point, and rugged defenders at the forward spots. As it stands, our forwards need the ball in their hands a lot.

I personally think Lavine is a great match for us. We really need another scorer/facilitor next to Randle. RJ is good but he’s not that guy yet. Quickley too.

He isn't yet but I think he becomes more consistently that next season. I'm looking at a core 2-3 or so years out. And, I still think we should go guard in the draft. Possibly even consolidate if that is possible.

I’m looking at Bouknight if we can’t get Lavine

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You say all that but you want $80 million or more tied into Trent who’s basically just a shooter and does nothing else? That’s even limiting our ceiling much more than having Lavine who’s one of the best scorers in the league. I’d take my chances with Lavine and banking on him taking another leap into superstardom under Thibs.

How did you manage to make our cap higher with Trent than with LaVine? LaVine is going to be making almost $40 million per season on his next contract, Trent is going to be making between $16-20 million. The whole point of going after someone like Trent is that he allows you to get a quality starter, maintain your assets and still have flexibility to make moves or sign someone else. You trade for LaVine and that's it, that's your team, that's your core.

You have never answered the question, where is the real superstar player going to come from if we have to trade for LaVine? Betting on LaVine to be a superstar is a losing bet, the Bulls bet on him being able to help them win games, and he's failed at that. A superstar usually can win games on their own, Harden did it for years in a much tougher conference, and even he needed a to be teamed up with a better player to have a real chance at winning a title.

Bulls have a bunch of bums and Billy Donovan is a overrated coach. Hard to judge him as a losing player there. And as we’ve seen what Thibs has done with guys like Butler and now Randle, it’s not a stretch to say Lavine can take another leap under him.

We’d still have flexibility with Lavine cause he isn’t due for another contract for another year. So we can still trade for a superstar.

The Rockets were picking guys up off the street, didn't matter, Harden still won games, even with Kevin McHale as his coach. There are 40 players in the league right now scoring over 20ppg, LaVine isn't a big enough difference maker to be paying him $40 million a year. And like I said before, you want Randle to be an all-star, he gonna want to be paid like one too so that bill is coming soon



We wouldn't have flexibility, there are no superstar free agents in 2021, 2022 or 2023 that would realistically sign here, or are even under 30. You would need to be able to trade for that superstar player, but how can we do that if we blow our assets on LaVine. We just saw the same thing happen to the Bucks, they traded their last remaining assets for Holiday, and 2 weeks later Harden is on the market

[3toheadmelo]

Forget it goodnight guys. I feel like I’ve had this convo too many times. Nothing is changing my mind on trading for Lavine. Trent is nice but there’s a risk he’s like Timmy in my eyes. Just give me Lavine or Bouknight

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You’re acting like Mitch and Randle is gonna get a max by us.

And yes Lavine is 5x better. That’s not even debatable lol

Cap isn't going to be as high as everyone thought, trading for LaVine means we could give him the 5 year max which would be $190 million, that's 35% of the cap gone, right there. You want Randle to be an all-star right? Well, he's gonna want to be paid like one, even saying something conservative like $20 million per year and half our cap is gone between two players who aren't top 10 players. Mitch doesn't need to get a max to impact, and I didn't even mention RJ. Your core is going to have about $75-80 million tied up between those 4 guys.

Where is the number 1 guy going to come from? You can't trade for him because the assets were traded for LaVine, somehow we keep RJ while trading for LaVine which means we gave up a ton of picks, right? We all can look at the 2021, 2022 and 2023 free agency classes, there's not much there.

LaVine is better, but 5x is ridiculous man.

Seriously, why would Randle & his agent not demand max extension?
Gordon Hayward is getting 30M per.
Also, we need to add Lavine's acquisition cost with Trent when comparing the two.

This is what it's all about, it's not just LaVine vs Trent, it's LaVine + trading young players + multiple picks + eventually taking up 35% of the cap vs Trent taking up 16-20% of the cap and retaining assets.

The cost to get LaVine is just too high, especially if there's a chance we could sign him after next season. That's another point of all this, you could sign Trent and then still sign LaVine the following year if you wanted to

[3toheadmelo]

How did you manage to make our cap higher with Trent than with LaVine? LaVine is going to be making almost $40 million per season on his next contract, Trent is going to be making between $16-20 million. The whole point of going after someone like Trent is that he allows you to get a quality starter, maintain your assets and still have flexibility to make moves or sign someone else. You trade for LaVine and that's it, that's your team, that's your core.

You have never answered the question, where is the real superstar player going to come from if we have to trade for LaVine? Betting on LaVine to be a superstar is a losing bet, the Bulls bet on him being able to help them win games, and he's failed at that. A superstar usually can win games on their own, Harden did it for years in a much tougher conference, and even he needed a to be teamed up with a better player to have a real chance at winning a title.

Bulls have a bunch of bums and Billy Donovan is a overrated coach. Hard to judge him as a losing player there. And as we’ve seen what Thibs has done with guys like Butler and now Randle, it’s not a stretch to say Lavine can take another leap under him.

We’d still have flexibility with Lavine cause he isn’t due for another contract for another year. So we can still trade for a superstar.

The Rockets were picking guys up off the street, didn't matter, Harden still won games, even with Kevin McHale as his coach. There are 40 players in the league right now scoring over 20ppg, LaVine isn't a big enough difference maker to be paying him $40 million a year. And like I said before, you want Randle to be an all-star, he gonna want to be paid like one too so that bill is coming soon



We wouldn't have flexibility, there are no superstar free agents in 2021, 2022 or 2023 that would realistically sign here, or are even under 30. You would need to be able to trade for that superstar player, but how can we do that if we blow our assets on LaVine. We just saw the same thing happen to the Bucks, they traded their last remaining assets for Holiday, and 2 weeks later Harden is on the market

You must’ve forgot that Harden had guys like Dwight Howard, Chandler Parsons and a bunch of rugged defenders around him. It’s not like harden carried a bunch of bums like Lavine is right now. Who’s the bulls second best player right now that’s relatively healthy? Patrick Williams?

We’d have to overpay to get Trent and there’s a good risk its gonna end up as an albatross.

With my offer for Lavine we’d still have our picks this year which can be used in a trade for another star. Or we can draft some better players as well.

Anyways I’m bowing out on this. Lavine >>>> Trent. I said what I said. Lol

[Ma10]

My oh my, why are we still talking about guys like Lavine or Oladipo, none of them are difference makers in the league. Only one I could see is Bradley Beal but to trade for him now is like Melo 2.0. We have some assets and might be able to do something else with it. Let's say we're sure that Cade Cunningham is the real deal, T-Wolves are wining the lottery. They get our 2 first round picks and Know. Who says no?

[knickstape4ever]

Forget it goodnight guys. I feel like I’ve had this convo too many times. Nothing is changing my mind on trading for Lavine. Trent is nice but there’s a risk he’s like Timmy in my eyes. Just give me Lavine or Bouknight

clearly Lavine is the better player than Trent, but the cost to acquire him is going to be huge. Bulls aren't taking our scraps. they'll want our most valuable assets such as: RJ, IQ, 2021 1sts, and maybe Mitch. don't even they'd want Obi b/c they have Lauri and Williams

+ Bulls are in a similar position as the Knicks. Bulls ain't out of it yet (only .5 game back from us), so why would they trade him? if the thought of Randle being traded is dismissed, so should the that of Lavine (who's the better player of the 2)

I want Bouknight and Trent, preferably Trent as the 6th man

[spree2kawhi]

Forget it goodnight guys. I feel like I’ve had this convo too many times. Nothing is changing my mind on trading for Lavine. Trent is nice but there’s a risk he’s like Timmy in my eyes. Just give me Lavine or Bouknight

clearly Lavine is the better player than Trent, but the cost to acquire him is going to be huge. Bulls aren't taking our scraps. they'll want our most valuable assets such as: RJ, IQ, 2021 1sts, and maybe Mitch. don't even they'd want Obi b/c they have Lauri and Williams

+ Bulls are in a similar position as the Knicks. Bulls ain't out of it yet (only .5 game back from us), so why would they trade him? if the thought of Randle being traded is dismissed, so should the that of Lavine (who's the better player of the 2)

I want Bouknight and Trent, preferably Trent as the 6th man

For a winning culture I'd rather acquire trent than lavine. Of course lavine is better in a way, but does he effect winning more?