2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[sol537]

There's NO WAY I see Randle being traded

Used to feel same way but it's clear this is Brunson's team now.

Also he moved away from CAA. Doubt its purely coincidence or not correlated.

With Leon Rose's Knicks, where there's nepotism smoke, there's usually fire

If the Wolves stumble a bit before the trade deadline and KAT asks out because he's not crazy about his new "role" as 3rd fiddle (which could just be an excuse to get himself to NY... he's probably fine with being 2nd or 3rd fiddle)...then Randle & iHart (going to 3rd team) for KAT becomes somewhat plausible before the deadline. We'd need to swing a separate trade to bring in Gafford or a big that can protect the paint on a cheap deal to help finish out the season until Mitch Rob returns...

[KnixinSix]

There's NO WAY I see Randle being traded

Used to feel same way but it's clear this is Brunson's team now.

Also he moved away from CAA. Doubt its purely coincidence or not correlated.

With Leon Rose's Knicks, where there's nepotism smoke, there's usually fire

If the Wolves stumble a bit before the trade deadline and KAT asks out because he's not crazy about his new "role" as 3rd fiddle (which could just be an excuse to get himself to NY... he's probably fine with being 2nd or 3rd fiddle)...then Randle & iHart (going to 3rd team) for KAT becomes somewhat plausible before the deadline. We'd need to swing a separate trade to bring in Gafford or a big that can protect the paint on a cheap deal to help finish out the season until Mitch Rob returns...

In that case NYK might just keep iHart and sub in something like Precious and Flynn. They also have Reid who can play 4 or 5 and he is a quality big too.

[KnixinSix]

NYK in: Bitadze
NYK out: Sims/Achiuwa + NYK or DAL FRP

ORL in: Tyus Jones + Gafford
ORL out: Bitadze + Fultz

WSH in: Fultz + Sims/Achuiwa + NYK or DAL FRP
WSH out: Tyus Jones + Gafford


followed by:

DiVincenzo + Fournier + NYK or DAL FRP + DET FRP for Lavine.

Brunson | McBride | Flynn
Lavine | Grimes
Anunoby | Hart
Randle
Hartenstein | Bitadze | Achuiwa/Sims | Gibson


Then when an MVP caliber guy becomes available we can throw Brunson/Randle/Lavine + 4 unprotected FRPs at him.

And return to the halycon days of FIZDALE!

? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

I can definitely see an argument made for LaVine. Offensively at least he'd be a heck of a fit next to Brunson. OG in conjunction with Hart and DDV helps offset defensive deficiencies substantially at the 1-4 spots. Floor spacer, good length for a 2, serious basketball kid.

Problem besides his injury history (not terrible but wouldn't call him a model of health either) is the contract. He almost has to be your 'big' move because the salary is huge. Not quite KAT status but really big. It would be hard for instance to couple Murray with an Embiid or KAT because the money is just too much.

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[cgf]

And return to the halycon days of FIZDALE!

? Lavine's totally a thibs guy. He's not a high IQ player, but the dude is a gymrat who takes basketball way too seriously. On the court he'd be a good fit in that RJ role of 3rd option, who runs the second unit, only if RJ had IQ's skills. Zach can really lace it as a C&S guy, but he also has the creation to produce in a more on ball role.

He's not good enough to bump Julius & Jalen down, but as a stopgap until a superstar becomes available, he'd be a good fit and he'd be way cheaper than someone like Mitchell...who wouldn't make us any better than Lavine would.

I can definitely see an argument made for LaVine. Offensively at least he'd be a heck of a fit next to Brunson. OG in conjunction with Hart and DDV helps offset defensive deficiencies substantially at the 1-4 spots. Floor spacer, good length for a 2, serious basketball kid.

Problem besides his injury history (not terrible but wouldn't call him a model of health either) is the contract. He almost has to be your 'big' move because the salary is huge. Not quite KAT status but really big. It would be hard for instance to couple Murray with an Embiid or KAT because the money is just too much.

You'd be over the 2nd apron unless it happened this summer/next spring, but we could always match for a superstar using Lavine's + picks or Brunson/Randle's salary + picks after they sign their max extensions next summer.

[LookToShoot]

Trade Randle + picks for Markkanen.

[cgf]

Trade Randle + picks for Markkanen.

We need more creation, not less.

[cgf]

So are people more open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

[sol537]

Fournier + two protected 1st's for Brogdon.

Or Fournier + Rokas + protected 1st. Get that man before someone else does...

Then grab another cheap back-up big and let's go get it!

[sol537]

Go get this man and let him help us beat his former team... The Bucks. That would be sweet "revenge"

Also... it would probably take Fournier + Rokas + protected 1st.

Who says no?

[8516knicks]

So are people tmore open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

It's clear we need someone to microwave score and relieve PG - IQ's old role. Doesn't have to be quite as good on D but capable of giving us that 15 min with some quality. They're trying Deuce but I fear he's just too small and not enough of a scorer.

Lavine - still NO - costs to much and big health risk not to mention culture risk. Someone mentioned TJ McConnell. Maybe. Or a better Clarkson-like Clarkson.

[TerrenceClarke]

[8516knicks]

Trade Randle + picks for Markkanen.

LOve him or hate him (or both) - when Randle''s ON he's much better than anyone else big we could get. With OG to balance him, I'm good for now.

[KnixinSix]

So are people more open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

I like the idea depending on what our other move(s) would be or......maybe if we get Pat Williams back in the deal.

But if I had to choose for THIS system. ....the more ideal roster construction if we are building around Brunson, It would be Murray and then Embiid (if Philly gets bounced in playoffs and he wants out) or KAT.

Murray has a pretty small salary for a borderline star player . He just doesnt fit down there in Atl. But over here I think he is a strong fit when you factor length, defense, ability to back up point and his 38% 3 ball this year.

KAT has versatility to play 4 or 5 and is a ridiculous 40% 3 point shooter as a big man. Perfect complement to Mitch Robinson as a stretch 5.

Bottomline:

Murray at 23ish M over the next 4 offers best bang for your buck and the ability to sign a 50M guy like Embiid etc while still being able to extend Brunson etc.

[KnixinSix]

Trade Randle + picks for Markkanen.

LOve him or hate him (or both) - when Randle''s ON he's much better than anyone else big we could get. With OG to balance him, I'm good for now.

If you trade Randle it needs to be an absolute stud...Embiid, Giannis maybe Booker. Could go eiher way on KAT.

[cgf]

So are people tmore open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

It's clear we need someone to microwave score and relieve PG - IQ's old role. Doesn't have to be quite as good on D but capable of giving us that 15 min with some quality. They're trying Deuce but I fear he's just too small and not enough of a scorer.

Lavine - still NO - costs to much and big health risk not to mention culture risk. Someone mentioned TJ McConnell. Maybe. Or a better Clarkson-like Clarkson.

I'm not sure that's enough, I think our starting lineup needs better than DDV as it's 3rd option. Grimes can get there, but this season might be too soon. Lavine could be that upgrade for the starters and we could stagger his minutes using Grimes...easing Grimes into that role next to Brunson - Anunoby - Randle...and letting Zach cook with Deuce, Hart, a bench big, and Grimes/OG.

If lavine is too expensive, I wonder if we could swap Fournier for Hield as part a potential Siakam to Indiana trade. Buddy is deadly enough to give the starters more room and with DDV-Grimes-Hart, our bench unit would have enough firepower without a new 6th man.

[cgf]

So are people more open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

I like the idea depending on what our other move(s) would be or......maybe if we get Pat Williams back in the deal.

But if I had to choose for THIS system. ....the more ideal roster construction if we are building around Brunson, It would be Murray and then Embiid (if Philly gets bounced in playoffs and he wants out) or KAT.

Murray has a pretty small salary for a borderline star player . He just doesnt fit down there in Atl. But over here I think he is a strong fit when you factor length, defense, ability to back up point and his 38% 3 ball this year.

KAT has versatility to play 4 or 5 and is a ridiculous 40% 3 point shooter as a big man. Perfect complement to Mitch Robinson as a stretch 5.

Bottomline:

Murray at 23ish M over the next 4 offers best bang for your buck and the ability to sign a 50M guy like Embiid etc while still being able to extend Brunson etc.

Murray hasn't played defense since he got paid. And prior to this 30 game sample size Murray was a 34% 3pt shooter, that's more or less what Julius has shot for us.

I don't see why he wouldn't have the same issues playing with Brunson that he has playing with Trae

[KnixinSix]

So are people tmore open to my Lavine idea after watching those non-Brunson/Randle minutes? :-p

It's clear we need someone to microwave score and relieve PG - IQ's old role. Doesn't have to be quite as good on D but capable of giving us that 15 min with some quality. They're trying Deuce but I fear he's just too small and not enough of a scorer.

Lavine - still NO - costs to much and big health risk not to mention culture risk. Someone mentioned TJ McConnell. Maybe. Or a better Clarkson-like Clarkson.

I'm not sure that's enough, I think our starting lineup needs better than DDV as it's 3rd option. Grimes can get there, but this season might be too soon. Lavine could be that upgrade for the starters and we could stagger his minutes using Grimes...easing Grimes into that role next to Brunson - Anunoby - Randle...and letting Zach cook with Deuce, Hart, a bench big, and Grimes/OG.

If lavine is too expensive, I wonder if we could swap Fournier for Hield as part a potential Siakam to Indiana trade. Buddy is deadly enough to give the starters more room and with DDV-Grimes-Hart, our bench unit would have enough firepower without a new 6th man.

Think you underrate Murray.

He isn't perfect but at 23M he is a more dynamic and consistent scorer than Quickley andis shooting 38% from 3 this year. Add in above average defense, length and ability to play point better than anyone on this squad besides Brunson, its a damn good fit and value for that contract

[cgf]

It's clear we need someone to microwave score and relieve PG - IQ's old role. Doesn't have to be quite as good on D but capable of giving us that 15 min with some quality. They're trying Deuce but I fear he's just too small and not enough of a scorer.

Lavine - still NO - costs to much and big health risk not to mention culture risk. Someone mentioned TJ McConnell. Maybe. Or a better Clarkson-like Clarkson.

I'm not sure that's enough, I think our starting lineup needs better than DDV as it's 3rd option. Grimes can get there, but this season might be too soon. Lavine could be that upgrade for the starters and we could stagger his minutes using Grimes...easing Grimes into that role next to Brunson - Anunoby - Randle...and letting Zach cook with Deuce, Hart, a bench big, and Grimes/OG.

If lavine is too expensive, I wonder if we could swap Fournier for Hield as part a potential Siakam to Indiana trade. Buddy is deadly enough to give the starters more room and with DDV-Grimes-Hart, our bench unit would have enough firepower without a new 6th man.

Think you underrate Murray.

He isn't perfect but at 23M he is a more dynamic and consistent scorer than Quickley andis shooting 38% from 3 this year. Add in above average defense, length and ability to play point better than anyone on this squad besides Brunson, its a damn good fit and value for that contract

Again he has a defensive reputation, but he hasn't actually been a good defender in years. And I just don't trust a guy who's been in the NBA as long as Murray has and has shot just 34% from 3, suddenly lighting it up.

Not unless I would still be happy with the player if he reverted to his career averages. And if Murray goes back to shooting 3s like Julius, as a guard who will pout if he doesn't get the ball enough, I think he'd be a real detriment to our team.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Trade Randle + picks for Markkanen.

LOve him or hate him (or both) - when Randle''s ON he's much better than anyone else big we could get. With OG to balance him, I'm good for now.

If you trade Randle it needs to be an absolute stud...Embiid, Giannis maybe Booker. Could go eiher way on KAT.

He's not going to be traded. Embiid, Giannis, Booker? Come on now...not a chance.