OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[mpharris36]

Something along those lines with maybe a future 3rd coming back to us

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

But teams trade up all the time. You have to find a mutual trade partner if a team wants to accumulate more draft picks but still can get a player they want.

Giants aren't the first team NFL history to need a young QB and want to trade back into the 1st. There is just no precedent to trade an early 2 with a future 1st to move up to 20.

Now if we want to get up to 10 or 11 then yes a future 1 would be on the table.

I agree there might be some tax if we don't have a walkaway price.

But I think that is why they are working out all those QBs now. They are going to rank them all and then weight how much they would to either trade up or stand out at 34. At least that's what I think.

[TerrenceClarke]

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

there have been plenty of thirsty teams throughout the history of time and i don't think we've seen anyone get fleeced like that for a mid-late first

Fleeced like what tho? My only point is MPH is on the conservative side.

New York teams always pay a tax.

I never seen a team get fleeced like us for a player of Mikal Bridges stature before but then it happened.

You may want to rethink that my dude

[MrDollarBills]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

If he drops to 21 he is going to Pittsburgh 100% for sure. It’s going to be hard to get back in for SS unless we cough up something good. I suspect there are a few teams that would value him higher in the first.

It’s a lot of fluff going on with him dropping super far if he does. People will value him more and more if he falls so he will get snatched up sooner than later.

Saints could be a sport for him at 9 as well.

Damn I forgot that NO needs a QB.

[MrDollarBills]

there is no way you need a future 1 to move from 34 to 20.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frecent-trends-for-trading-back-in-the-1st-round-of-the-v0-wvczbm5y7ruc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1041%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De0ee95b51badbead5aa77634c3c751be8c913493

most recent early 2nd to mid 20's was like a 3rd round pick but the team got a late 3rd round back and then a 5 outgoing.

the difference between 20 and 34 is about 300 pts

that is roughly worh a late 2nd rounder of additional value. So your talking and early 3rd and 5th round or a future 2 (and we probably get something back) to probably get up to that spot.

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

But teams trade up all the time. You have to find a mutual trade partner if a team wants to accumulate more draft picks but still can get a player they want.

Giants aren't the first team NFL history to need a young QB and want to trade back into the 1st. There is just no precedent to trade an early 2 with a future 1st to move up to 20.

Now if we want to get up to 10 or 11 then yes a future 1 would be on the table.

I agree there might be some tax if we don't have a walkaway price.

But I think that is why they are working out all those QBs now. They are going to rank them all and then weight how much they would to either trade up or stand out at 34. At least that's what I think.

I would trade #34 and a 2026 2nd to get Shedeur but that's as high as I go.

Otherwise I take BPA at 3 and plan on going into the season with Wilson and Winston. We aren't winning and we can grab a QB next year. Too bad tho, the fact that Mara seems to want Shedeur is kinda cool because I don't think we've ever drafted a Black QB like ever and I'd love for Shedeur to play here once we get everything situated at OL.

[mpharris36]

If Shedeur drops in the 19 to 21 range would we have to burn next year's first to trade back in to get him?

If he drops to 21 he is going to Pittsburgh 100% for sure. It’s going to be hard to get back in for SS unless we cough up something good. I suspect there are a few teams that would value him higher in the first.

It’s a lot of fluff going on with him dropping super far if he does. People will value him more and more if he falls so he will get snatched up sooner than later.

Saints could be a sport for him at 9 as well.

Damn I forgot that NO needs a QB.

Not sure how much you believe Mcshay but he believes strongly they have Dart above Sanders if NO is picking between them.

[Ghetto Gospel]

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

there have been plenty of thirsty teams throughout the history of time and i don't think we've seen anyone get fleeced like that for a mid-late first

Fleeced like what tho? My only point is MPH is on the conservative side.

New York teams always pay a tax.

I never seen a team get fleeced like us for a player of Mikal Bridges stature before but then it happened.

You may want to rethink that my dude

bradley beal trade?

my point is i don't think we'd need to give up a first. maybe a lil more juice than what mph has but i don't think it'd be much more. there are always teams looking to trade down and get more draft capital

[mpharris36]

You not taking into account of GMs knowing the giants are thirsty. There is a Tax for that.

You are comparing number values as if it’s a straight up fair trade. That’s not how it works when GMs know exactly what you want and who you want.

there have been plenty of thirsty teams throughout the history of time and i don't think we've seen anyone get fleeced like that for a mid-late first

Fleeced like what tho? My only point is MPH is on the conservative side.

New York teams always pay a tax.

I never seen a team get fleeced like us for a player of Mikal Bridges stature before but then it happened.

You may want to rethink that my dude

There certainly might be some tax. I think that is a very fair point especially if we start calling all around that late teens to 20 spot.

But the only tax probably is only a 200pt difference at max. That like and extra 3 or something like that.

If they like someone like Sanders and want there cake and eat it too with Carter/Hunter you make the move back up.

So hopefully we get some clarity how the value the QBs outside of ward. If Sanders clear them then you have to trade back up. If he doesn't and they think Milroe ceiling is high enough to trade close enough long term to sanders you probably don't have to move up much alfrom 34.

[TerrenceClarke]

Let’s be honest yall. SS is going to blow every QB out the water this week.

John Mara will def be hovering around looking at them other cats compared to SS like.



There is no way in Hell he won’t be ranked 1 out of these dudes.

[MrDollarBills]

If he drops to 21 he is going to Pittsburgh 100% for sure. It’s going to be hard to get back in for SS unless we cough up something good. I suspect there are a few teams that would value him higher in the first.

It’s a lot of fluff going on with him dropping super far if he does. People will value him more and more if he falls so he will get snatched up sooner than later.

Saints could be a sport for him at 9 as well.

Damn I forgot that NO needs a QB.

Not sure how much you believe Mcshay but he believes strongly they have Dart above Sanders if NO is picking between them.

I also just read that Diana Russini is reporting that Carr is faking his injury so who knows what's going on there

[Ghetto Gospel]

if you're truly considering shedeur at pick 3, i think you have to make any realistic trade if he falls in the draft.

if the browns call us today offering us their 2nd, 3rd and next years 2nd, joe schoen laughs in their face and hangs up the phone. it only makes sense to make that trade even adding in the bonus fact that the 20th pick in the draft has a much lower cap hit than the 3rd pick

[TerrenceClarke]

This new era of Mcshay trying to be schefter or Shams is bugged out.

I personally only trust him to be a scout not some plugged in like that insider. He not a reporter he did not build those connects like others.

He be flip flopping on what he says more than anyone right now. He no more credible than Kiper is.

He not plugged in like he trying to claim he is. He is algorithm chasing with a lot of what he says. He even started to become a little click baity as well.

Beat writers have more Juice than him.

[mpharris36]

This new era of Mcshay trying to be schefter or Shams is bugged out.

I personally only trust him to be a scout not some plugged in like that insider. He not a reporter he did not build those connects like others.

He be flip flopping on what he says more than anyone right now. He no more credible than Kiper is.

He not plugged in like he trying to claim he is. He is algorithm chasing with a lot of what he says. He even started to become a little click baity as well.

Beat writers have more Juice than him.

I agree, I like McShay scouting ability but now that he isn't with ESPN and on his own he needs to be more clickbaity to drive views. So he clearly is saying a lot of headline type stuff because that drives views.

Man needs to pay the bills

[Ghetto Gospel]

This new era of Mcshay trying to be schefter or Shams is bugged out.

I personally only trust him to be a scout not some plugged in like that insider. He not a reporter he did not build those connects like others.

He be flip flopping on what he says more than anyone right now. He no more credible than Kiper is.

He not plugged in like he trying to claim he is. He is algorithm chasing with a lot of what he says. He even started to become a little click baity as well.

Beat writers have more Juice than him.

I agree, I like McShay scouting ability but now that he isn't with ESPN and on his own he needs to be more clickbaity to drive views. So he clearly is saying a lot of headline type stuff because that drives views.

Man needs to pay the bills

i assumed he wasn't even really in the trenches like that. i thought he has his own team that does all the scouting and he's kind of just the mouthpiece that looks into things like a little bit but mostly parses through what his people think

[MrDollarBills]

Ranaan is saying that we reached out to Philly about Dallas Goedert.

Why tho?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Damn I forgot that NO needs a QB.

Not sure how much you believe Mcshay but he believes strongly they have Dart above Sanders if NO is picking between them.

I also just read that Diana Russini is reporting that Carr is faking his injury so who knows what's going on there

About to get fleeced by Howie again just to make things worse

[Deeeez Knicks]

There is a possibility the Giants still might have no clue what to do at #3

[Ghetto Gospel]

Ranaan is saying that we reached out to Philly about Dallas Goedert.

Why tho?

learned nothing from the darren waller trade. fck it just get another washed up past their prime TE

[Synciere]

whats the word on that other QB. I know nothing about him. Whats his projected round?

Tyler Shough - 25 years old and trending upwards apparently. Always seems like there’s one each year. Right now I’ve seen him 2nd round with as early as very early 2nd and some rumors of late first

I stopped watching him when I saw this

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LMAAAAAOOOO

Yeah this would taint any evaluation…

[TerrenceClarke]

Yall Tripping Mang

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Isn’t this the dude yall praise as a god analyst ?

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There isn’t a person alive that can convince me SS is not worthy of the third pick for the Giants.

Abdul Carter doesn’t change the trajectory of this team much even if he is good.

How many elite EDGE in the league on trash teams ? A schit load man.

Myles Garrett played on the browns and they were in the running for top pick in the NFL. Why? QB play sucked.

Micah Parsons is elite. That can’t save Dallas. They are still seen as a Joke

I can go on and on listing elite EDGE around the league. **** the player we signed in Burns came from a losing team.


Since when do Giants Fans get in position to think being able draft a QB like him a bad thing. Mad Fans will try to configure or justify that we should trade back into the first instead of just picking him. Save your assets and make all the other picks good picks.

Yo, do you see how far Cam Ward or Milroe types can throw the ball with a flick of the wrist? Or how fast and athletic they are?

Fans:





Yo, do you see the toughness, the accuracy, the touch, the processing speed of SS?

Fans:



This dude can BALL, and if you can’t see it is because you listened to all the negativity about him, over things that his skill set alone will overcome and allow him to be successful in the NFL.

I rock with all my Giants fans here…

I’m dying on we should pick SS at 3 hill.I have been forced to talk about other players and other possibilities cause I don’t have control over the pick.

If we don’t pick him that’s fine, but I’m dying on that Hill.

[GONYK]

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Baldy isn't sure Shedur translates because he isn't mobile and hasn't shown elite processing to make up for it.

Doesn't think Shedur should be starting as a rookie.