Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[Meat]

If KD the lone Tier1 FA will sign with the Knicks, My next step is to sign 2 or 3 vets to 1 year deals even if Knicks will overspend

Ariza/JaMychal Green/Chandler/Justin Anderson/Tolliver/Felton/Wilson Chandler/Carter/Gibson

This vets will not cry about playing time, they're here to teach and empower the locker room. Just like Sheed, Thomas and Kidd had done to Melo and others plus we can trade them to a contender at the deadline and gain some assets in return.

Losing so many games doesn't guarantee a top 3 pick anymore. I know this vets are not going to sneak us into the playoffs too but winning games will accelerate the maturity for this young ones.

Once KD come back we all know that he's not here to play games with immature kids, He also wants to win so the day that KD step on the hardwood inside MSG to play his first game as an official Knick Barrett, Knox, Trier, Robinson, Dsj, Frank, Iggy and Dot will light it up along side with KD and whoever the Knicks sign in 2020! ! !

PS: If Durant will sign this offseason

Nope, you play your youth, tank for a high pick again, and save your cap/flexibility for the next disgruntled all star to demand a trade.

[br7knicks]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254436/Julius-Randle-Knicks-Have-Mutual-Interest

Hope this "interest" is giving him the MLE

well, didn't the knicks come out and ask us fans for patience. didn't they say that, if they didn't get a top tier FA (butler, durant, leonard), they wouldn't care much about the rest.


if this is true, this tells me they wouldn't give randle anything more than a 1 year, or 1+1 TO deal. if they give him a substantial contract, then they're no better than any other FO

[br7knicks]

So what would you be willing to trade to GS if Durant wants the sign & trade?

knox, dsjr and trier. that's it.

[Worst_to_First]

Harris is meeting with teams on June 30 and July 1. Brooklyn, Sacramento, Dallas, New Orleans, and Memphis are among the teams that intend to pursue him. Don’t be surprised if his former team, the Los Angeles Clippers, get into the mix. – via The Philadelphia Inquirer

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-76ers-nba-free-agency-al-horford-malcolm-brogdon-danny-green-jimmy-butler-20190624.html

[jermsknicks]

really? the knicks have been far worse than the mets over the years and more dysfunctional

Yes, easily. I believe if Dolan owned a baseball team he would've bought a championship by now. The Wilpons just need to sell the team, they are cheap in a huge market....the worse type of owners. Hired a salesperson that has made all the wrong moves. The league wants to see more homers when we had a nice starting pitching rotation...also it is just looking at the other team in New York doing a lot if the right things, just makes me pissed.

The Knicks at least give an effort compared to the Mets when it comes to trying better their roster.

All Fair points but I’d still take the Mets playoff trips over the last 15+years over the Knicks.

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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[knicks9784]

Does woj lose any credibility if it’s the nets who miss out on everyone including Russell, their own player? IMO it shows he’s a fraud, but curious what everyone else thinks. His watch ad was pretty disappointing to see too.

[knicks9784]

Yes, easily. I believe if Dolan owned a baseball team he would've bought a championship by now. The Wilpons just need to sell the team, they are cheap in a huge market....the worse type of owners. Hired a salesperson that has made all the wrong moves. The league wants to see more homers when we had a nice starting pitching rotation...also it is just looking at the other team in New York doing a lot if the right things, just makes me pissed.

The Knicks at least give an effort compared to the Mets when it comes to trying better their roster.

All Fair points but I’d still take the Mets playoff trips over the last 15+years over the Knicks.

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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Game 7 vs St. Louis 2007ish. The endy chvez catch and Beltran strikeout. Refresh me on the Knicks playoff history lmao. Confetti for being down 3-1? Knicks have been a joke since sprewell. I’d gladly take the Mets playoff failures over the Knicks non competitive decades.

[jermsknicks]

Yes, easily. I believe if Dolan owned a baseball team he would've bought a championship by now. The Wilpons just need to sell the team, they are cheap in a huge market....the worse type of owners. Hired a salesperson that has made all the wrong moves. The league wants to see more homers when we had a nice starting pitching rotation...also it is just looking at the other team in New York doing a lot if the right things, just makes me pissed.

The Knicks at least give an effort compared to the Mets when it comes to trying better their roster.

All Fair points but I’d still take the Mets playoff trips over the last 15+years over the Knicks.

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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Oh, your probably counting the Beltran strikeout year too! See if the Knicks had those runs, I wouldn't question whether they would give up their homegrown playoff hero in Murph.

The Beltran year, we could've been right back in the mix with some spending in the off-season when you have WrightandReyes on small contracts.
Just disappointing that a team is not willing to open their wallets to improve the team.

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[knicks9784]

All Fair points but I’d still take the Mets playoff trips over the last 15+years over the Knicks.

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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Oh, your probably counting the Beltran strikeout year too! See if the Knicks had those runs, I wouldn't question whether they would give up their homegrown playoff hero in Murph.

The Beltran year, we could've been right back in the mix with some spending in the off-season when you have WrightandReyes on small contracts.
Just disappointing that a team is not willing to open their wallets to improve the team.

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No doubt. I’m not defending ownership, I agree Dolan’s a better owner by far he tries to win, to a fault sometimes. But despite the Wilson’s Mets have been more successful than the Knicks. That’s my point, I agree the Mets ownership blows, but baseball success can come by accident and it did, where as nba success you need to get it right, much more difficult

[ADeP7]

So what would you be willing to trade to GS if Durant wants the sign & trade?

knox, dsjr and trier. that's it.

Hell no

They can have a 2024 2nd rd pick top 58 protected.

Other than that fuq off

[knicks9784]

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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Oh, your probably counting the Beltran strikeout year too! See if the Knicks had those runs, I wouldn't question whether they would give up their homegrown playoff hero in Murph.

The Beltran year, we could've been right back in the mix with some spending in the off-season when you have WrightandReyes on small contracts.
Just disappointing that a team is not willing to open their wallets to improve the team.

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No doubt. I’m not defending ownership, I agree Dolan’s a better owner by far he tries to win, to a fault sometimes. But despite the Wilpons, Mets have been more successful than the Knicks. That’s my point, I agree the Mets ownership blows, but baseball success can come by accident and it did, where as nba success you need to get it right, much more difficult

[knicks9784]

Oh, your probably counting the Beltran strikeout year too! See if the Knicks had those runs, I wouldn't question whether they would give up their homegrown playoff hero in Murph.

The Beltran year, we could've been right back in the mix with some spending in the off-season when you have WrightandReyes on small contracts.
Just disappointing that a team is not willing to open their wallets to improve the team.

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No doubt. I’m not defending ownership, I agree Dolan’s a better owner by far he tries to win, to a fault sometimes. But despite the Wilpons, Mets have been more successful than the Knicks. That’s my point, I agree the Mets ownership blows, but baseball success can come by accident and it did, where as nba success you need to get it right, much more difficult.

[AllanHoustonFan]

I'm getting this vibe from this board...so I"m confused

1.) we get KD - sh.itttttt Knicks gonna Knicks SMFHHHH

or

2.) Nets get KD - this board will get maddddddddd salty

Nah I'm indifferent to the whole thing now that he blew his achilles. I would be tight if he was healthy and went to the Nets though.

[AllanHoustonFan]

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[jermsknicks]

Please refresh my memory of the Mets playoff visits the last 15 years. The 2015 trip to World series and play in game in 2016.

What else?


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Oh, your probably counting the Beltran strikeout year too! See if the Knicks had those runs, I wouldn't question whether they would give up their homegrown playoff hero in Murph.

The Beltran year, we could've been right back in the mix with some spending in the off-season when you have WrightandReyes on small contracts.
Just disappointing that a team is not willing to open their wallets to improve the team.

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No doubt. I’m not defending ownership, I agree Dolan’s a better owner by far he tries to win, to a fault sometimes. But despite the Wilson’s Mets have been more successful than the Knicks. That’s my point, I agree the Mets ownership blows, but baseball success can come by accident and it did, where as nba success you need to get it right, much more difficult

I agree, it much easier to get things right in baseball as there are salary cap restrictions in the NBA. That is why it is mind blowing why in a non salary cap sport in a huge market, you are being out spent by much smaller markets.

I am getting sick over here talking about these Mets. I need some positive vibes going into NBA free agency.

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[jermsknicks]

To me Kyrie takes this team to the playoffs.

Sell me on this theory, I don't disagree, but just wondering if DSJr will be coming off the bench or can they play together?

[thebuzzardman]

So, ignoring all the rumors lately, what if the original rumor holds true, about KD and Kyrie.

What is the Knicks record first year with Kyrie only and what are the team's prospects moving forward?

Vague list of pluses and minuses

Pluses
Solves PG for the next 4 years
True scoring and passing all star to have some offensive gravity yet involve teammates while the kids develop
KD rehabs for a year
Playoff team in the crap east, probably 7th or 8th seed, ultimately decided by a few wins or losses. 40-42 wins
Team retains all current youth and picks moving forward
*theoretical plus - KD comes back in a year and is somewhere between fading Melo, Tobias Harris to completely recovered

Minuses
Team is now capped out for 4 years for likely middling playoff team - 7/8 if KD stays hurt and kids don't develop, 6/7 if KD stays hurt but kids develop, 5/6 if KD comes back as fading Melo, 1-2 (in east) if KD comes back good as new (highly unlikely)

Kyrie could suck all the enthusiasm out of the locker room

KD never recovers, at all. 4 years of a 40 million dollar anchor

Knicks picks immediately drop in the draft, most noticeably next season - theoretical gap largest between "all kids and 1 year vets" vs "with Kyrie", gap closes somewhat vs next 3 years where kids might develop, or trades or other FA could have happened

Hard to make moves to improve the team, other than managing the shuffle of drafted players off and on the team - ie, Frank or DSJr or Knox or Trier out, other players in etc

[thebuzzardman]

To me Kyrie takes this team to the playoffs.

Sell me on this theory, I don't disagree, but just wondering if DSJr will be coming off the bench or can they play together?

Knicks core not that far from Nets core. Nets core edge in part due to some additional years, even if it's one season. Kyrie better than DLo. Even if it's a wash, where Nets youth > Knicks but Kyrie > DLo, Knicks could duplicate Nets record and eke out a playoff spot.

Argument against: Knicks don't have actively tanking counter part like the Knicks of last year to get free wins against.

It might be a borderline playoff team. Eking out a handful of close games that made the difference between 38 and 41 wins probably difference in 8th seed vs out of the playoffs

[cgmw]

Not to break up the KD, Kyrie, Knicks/Nets fun, but, in the event that the Knicks don't sign any big free agents, here are two major thoughts I've had recently.

Firstly, we've obviously talked about the possiblity of the Knicks taking on some bad contracts into their cap space. Those teams may want to create room to sign a free agent or otherwise avoid the luxury tax. Here are some teams that have players with one big year remaining on their contracts:

1. Miami Heat: Hassan Whiteside at $27MM.
2. Toronto Raptors: Serge Ibaka at $24MM.
3. Milwaukee Bucks: Jon Leuer at $9.5MM.
4. Portland Trailblazers: Meyers Leonard at $11MM.
5. Washington Wizards: Ian Mahinmi at $16MM.
6. Minnesota Timberwolves: Jeff Teague at $19MM.
7. Charlotte Hornets: Bismack Biyombo at $17MM.
8. Phoenix Suns: Tyler Johnson at $19MM.
9. LA Clippers: Danilo Gallinari at $22.6MM.

I really doubt the Suns would give up Mikal, but if it meant that they could both sign D'Angelo Russell and retain Kelly Oubre Jr.?

The second thing I've thought about is the development of the youngsters. Right now, IMO, the Knicks already need to give minutes to eight players: RJ, Mitch, Knox, DSJ, Frank, Dotson, Trier, and Iggy. If they bring back any combination of Vonleh, Mario, Kadeem, Kornet, Mudiay (please no) and/or sign some additional players, playing time could get scarce quickly. At that point, it feels like you might want to consolidate. For what? I don't know. The only players I feel the Knicks should target are those that are young and cost-controlled, and it's very tough to grab someone who's still on their rookie contract. So, I'll just bring up Aaron Gordon as a possibility again.

I'd be pretty happy if we ended up with:
PG: DSJ
SG: RJ
SF: Mikal
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Mitch
Bench: Plenty of youth left, and still some cap room to sign or re-sign one year prove it deals.

We need a bidding war for second- or third-tier FAs between small market teams.

For example, if Minnesota or Phoenix wants DLo then they’ll have to offer the Max and we have leverage.

The other scenario would be if Kawhi signs with LAC and they want to sign a 2nd max like Butler, then we could end up facilitating a Gallo homecoming.

[Fat Kat]

To me Kyrie takes this team to the playoffs.

Sell me on this theory, I don't disagree, but just wondering if DSJr will be coming off the bench or can they play together?

Knicks core not that far from Nets core. Nets core edge in part due to some additional years, even if it's one season. Kyrie better than DLo. Even if it's a wash, where Nets youth > Knicks but Kyrie > DLo, Knicks could duplicate Nets record and eke out a playoff spot.

Argument against: Knicks don't have actively tanking counter part like the Knicks of last year to get free wins against.

It might be a borderline playoff team. Eking out a handful of close games that made the difference between 38 and 41 wins probably difference in 8th seed vs out of the playoffs

Who do the Nets need to renounce to get the room to sign the 2 FAs, and how does that core match up? That’s the question. I forgot the details