2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[KnixinSix]

LOve him or hate him (or both) - when Randle''s ON he's much better than anyone else big we could get. With OG to balance him, I'm good for now.

If you trade Randle it needs to be an absolute stud...Embiid, Giannis maybe Booker. Could go eiher way on KAT.

He's not going to be traded. Embiid, Giannis, Booker? Come on now...not a chance.

Thanks guess you know best...just like there was no way we would trade with Masai in the middle of a lawsuit...

[KnixinSix]

I'm not sure that's enough, I think our starting lineup needs better than DDV as it's 3rd option. Grimes can get there, but this season might be too soon. Lavine could be that upgrade for the starters and we could stagger his minutes using Grimes...easing Grimes into that role next to Brunson - Anunoby - Randle...and letting Zach cook with Deuce, Hart, a bench big, and Grimes/OG.

If lavine is too expensive, I wonder if we could swap Fournier for Hield as part a potential Siakam to Indiana trade. Buddy is deadly enough to give the starters more room and with DDV-Grimes-Hart, our bench unit would have enough firepower without a new 6th man.

Think you underrate Murray.

He isn't perfect but at 23M he is a more dynamic and consistent scorer than Quickley andis shooting 38% from 3 this year. Add in above average defense, length and ability to play point better than anyone on this squad besides Brunson, its a damn good fit and value for that contract

Again he has a defensive reputation, but he hasn't actually been a good defender in years. And I just don't trust a guy who's been in the NBA as long as Murray has and has shot just 34% from 3, suddenly lighting it up.

Not unless I would still be happy with the player if he reverted to his career averages. And if Murray goes back to shooting 3s like Julius, as a guard who will pout if he doesn't get the ball enough, I think he'd be a real detriment to our team.

I think you can argue it the other way too. Hes 38% this year and not playing D quite as hard in a bad situation down in Atl. Don't think he lost the ability and would likely resume playing strong D under a strong defensive oriented coach and teacher in Thibs.

At 23M its worth the risk to me over a 45M a year risk in LaVine.

[Jalen Bluntson]

[cgf]

Think you underrate Murray.

He isn't perfect but at 23M he is a more dynamic and consistent scorer than Quickley andis shooting 38% from 3 this year. Add in above average defense, length and ability to play point better than anyone on this squad besides Brunson, its a damn good fit and value for that contract

Again he has a defensive reputation, but he hasn't actually been a good defender in years. And I just don't trust a guy who's been in the NBA as long as Murray has and has shot just 34% from 3, suddenly lighting it up.

Not unless I would still be happy with the player if he reverted to his career averages. And if Murray goes back to shooting 3s like Julius, as a guard who will pout if he doesn't get the ball enough, I think he'd be a real detriment to our team.

I think you can argue it the other way too. Hes 38% this year and not playing D quite as hard in a bad situation down in Atl. Don't think he lost the ability and would likely resume playing strong D under a strong defensive oriented coach and teacher in Thibs.

At 23M its worth the risk to me over a 45M a year risk in LaVine.

But Snyder's a strong defensive coach too...and is playing next to Brunson that different from playing next to Trae? Both are bad defenders, who hold the ball longer than anyone but Luka...Jalen is the craftier scorer but Trae is a much better playmaker. So if Murray isn't happy with Trae creating for him, why is he going to be happy watching Brunson score? Especially with Thibs yelling at him?

That's a big risk to take even before we get into the fact that Atlanta would want at least one unprotected future knicks pick...which would mean not being able to trade for the MVP-caliber guy that we still need until that pick debt has been paid off.

That's why I'd rather shop from a lower shelf or the bargain bin than gamble on DJM.

[KnixinSix]

Again he has a defensive reputation, but he hasn't actually been a good defender in years. And I just don't trust a guy who's been in the NBA as long as Murray has and has shot just 34% from 3, suddenly lighting it up.

Not unless I would still be happy with the player if he reverted to his career averages. And if Murray goes back to shooting 3s like Julius, as a guard who will pout if he doesn't get the ball enough, I think he'd be a real detriment to our team.

I think you can argue it the other way too. Hes 38% this year and not playing D quite as hard in a bad situation down in Atl. Don't think he lost the ability and would likely resume playing strong D under a strong defensive oriented coach and teacher in Thibs.

At 23M its worth the risk to me over a 45M a year risk in LaVine.

But Snyder's a strong defensive coach too...and is playing next to Brunson that different from playing next to Trae? Both are bad defenders, who hold the ball longer than anyone but Luka...Jalen is the craftier scorer but Trae is a much better playmaker. So if Murray isn't happy with Trae creating for him, why is he going to be happy watching Brunson score? Especially with Thibs yelling at him?

That's a big risk to take even before we get into the fact that Atlanta would want at least one unprotected future knicks pick...which would mean not being able to trade for the MVP-caliber guy that we still need until that pick debt has been paid off.

That's why I'd rather shop from a lower shelf or the bargain bin than gamble on DJM.

We are going to have to just agree to disagree....

Brunson is comfortable off ball , Trae is not. Part of the time they play together (which would be roughly 23-24 minutes a game) Brunson will alternate off ball some of the time taking some of the pounding he takes on his body. Murray gets about 12-15 minutes as back up PG and would be the big PG that Thibs loves to employ and better PG than anyone who currently backs up Brunson. DJM as opposed to LaVine actually has the ABILITY to play strong D. LaVine just plain doesn't. I believe he does under Thibs. The potential adavntages at least in my eyes (and a few others here) greatly outweigh the risks.

[cgf]

I think you can argue it the other way too. Hes 38% this year and not playing D quite as hard in a bad situation down in Atl. Don't think he lost the ability and would likely resume playing strong D under a strong defensive oriented coach and teacher in Thibs.

At 23M its worth the risk to me over a 45M a year risk in LaVine.

But Snyder's a strong defensive coach too...and is playing next to Brunson that different from playing next to Trae? Both are bad defenders, who hold the ball longer than anyone but Luka...Jalen is the craftier scorer but Trae is a much better playmaker. So if Murray isn't happy with Trae creating for him, why is he going to be happy watching Brunson score? Especially with Thibs yelling at him?

That's a big risk to take even before we get into the fact that Atlanta would want at least one unprotected future knicks pick...which would mean not being able to trade for the MVP-caliber guy that we still need until that pick debt has been paid off.

That's why I'd rather shop from a lower shelf or the bargain bin than gamble on DJM.

We are going to have to just agree to disagree....

Brunson is comfortable off ball , Trae is not. Part of the time they play together (which would be roughly 23-24 minutes a game) Brunson will alternate off ball some of the time taking some of the pounding he takes on his body. Murray gets about 12-15 minutes as back up PG and would be the big PG that Thibs loves to employ and better PG than anyone who currently backs up Brunson. DJM as opposed to LaVine actually has the ABILITY to play strong D. LaVine just plain doesn't. I believe he does under Thibs. The potential adavntages at least in my eyes (and a few others here) greatly outweigh the risks.

That is such a small proportion of the time they share the court. Most of the time it would be in Brunson's hands and Murray would just be standing around, watching his defender cheat into the paint.

And Lavine's a decent defender, he's no Brunson.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

If you trade Randle it needs to be an absolute stud...Embiid, Giannis maybe Booker. Could go eiher way on KAT.

He's not going to be traded. Embiid, Giannis, Booker? Come on now...not a chance.

Thanks guess you know best...just like there was no way we would trade with Masai in the middle of a lawsuit...

What lawsuit? And yes, I know the Knicks aren't getting Embiid, Giannis, or Booker.

[KnixinSix]

But Snyder's a strong defensive coach too...and is playing next to Brunson that different from playing next to Trae? Both are bad defenders, who hold the ball longer than anyone but Luka...Jalen is the craftier scorer but Trae is a much better playmaker. So if Murray isn't happy with Trae creating for him, why is he going to be happy watching Brunson score? Especially with Thibs yelling at him?

That's a big risk to take even before we get into the fact that Atlanta would want at least one unprotected future knicks pick...which would mean not being able to trade for the MVP-caliber guy that we still need until that pick debt has been paid off.

That's why I'd rather shop from a lower shelf or the bargain bin than gamble on DJM.

We are going to have to just agree to disagree....

Brunson is comfortable off ball , Trae is not. Part of the time they play together (which would be roughly 23-24 minutes a game) Brunson will alternate off ball some of the time taking some of the pounding he takes on his body. Murray gets about 12-15 minutes as back up PG and would be the big PG that Thibs loves to employ and better PG than anyone who currently backs up Brunson. DJM as opposed to LaVine actually has the ABILITY to play strong D. LaVine just plain doesn't. I believe he does under Thibs. The potential adavntages at least in my eyes (and a few others here) greatly outweigh the risks.

That is such a small proportion of the time they share the court. Most of the time it would be in Brunson's hands and Murray would just be standing around, watching his defender cheat into the paint.

And Lavine's a decent defender, he's no Brunson.

To be clear I wouldn't hate LaVine but I certainly think that Murray is the better fit considering contract, defense etc. AND he would not be the final move.

[cgf]

We are going to have to just agree to disagree....

Brunson is comfortable off ball , Trae is not. Part of the time they play together (which would be roughly 23-24 minutes a game) Brunson will alternate off ball some of the time taking some of the pounding he takes on his body. Murray gets about 12-15 minutes as back up PG and would be the big PG that Thibs loves to employ and better PG than anyone who currently backs up Brunson. DJM as opposed to LaVine actually has the ABILITY to play strong D. LaVine just plain doesn't. I believe he does under Thibs. The potential adavntages at least in my eyes (and a few others here) greatly outweigh the risks.

That is such a small proportion of the time they share the court. Most of the time it would be in Brunson's hands and Murray would just be standing around, watching his defender cheat into the paint.

And Lavine's a decent defender, he's no Brunson.

To be clear I wouldn't hate LaVine but I certainly think that Murray is the better fit considering contract, defense etc. AND he would not be the final move.

I agree that Murray has the more appealing contract, I just think the defensive difference between them would be negligible while Lavine would be a much better offensive fit. I also don't think he'd be the final move, we'd continue to be on the look out for a superstar with an offer of their pick of Brunson / Lavine / Randle + a mountain of picks.

I don't think we need to get Lavine, I just think someone's going to get a steal with him...and Murray would be a bad fit even if Atlanta didn't want unprotected future picks. I'd much rather get someone like Hield / Brogdon / Sexton, or even just do nothing and see if Grimes can't rise to the occasion than tie our hands for DJM.

Limiting our ability to make that next move for another 2+ years for Murray feels like a huge mistake.

[HarthorneWingo]

Deuce and a SRP to the Bulls for Drummond is next.

[HarthorneWingo]

Murray will ruin the ball movement we already with the first unit. If he's going to come off the bench, then maybe.

[sol537]

Brogdon x 100

[newyorker4ever]

Deuce and a SRP to the Bulls for Drummond is next.

Is Derozan coming with him?

[Phish Tank]

Deuce and a SRP to the Bulls for Drummond is next.

can't trade Deuce for 6 months Wingo.

[KnixinSix]

Murray will ruin the ball movement we already with the first unit. If he's going to come off the bench, then maybe.

Murray will get quite a few minutes without Brunson as he will get around 12-15 as the 1 with Brunny on the bench. Then about 20 at the 2. That means 'only' 20 minutes with him at 2 and Brunson at the 1. Brunson can also play some off ball like he did with Luka which will save some wear on his body being thrown around inside. It can most definitely work.

[dukeknicksirish]

Who can we get to start at SG that puts us over the top to where we finally want to be? Somebody who can score at all 3 levels and can run the bench unit with our spacers Gimes/DD and defender Hart?

LaVine?

Donovan Mitchell?

What will we do with all these draft picks?

Find out on the next episode of 2023 NY Knicks !

[cgf]

Deuce and a SRP to the Bulls for Drummond is next.

Hard pass. Deuce would be a better rim protector than Drummond.

[cgf]

Murray will ruin the ball movement we already with the first unit. If he's going to come off the bench, then maybe.

Murray will get quite a few minutes without Brunson as he will get around 12-15 as the 1 with Brunny on the bench. Then about 20 at the 2. That means 'only' 20 minutes with him at 2 and Brunson at the 1. Brunson can also play some off ball like he did with Luka which will save some wear on his body being thrown around inside. It can most definitely work.

"only 20 minutes" is almost half the game where offense would be handicapped and you wouldn't be able to make a superstar offer until the summer of 2026.

[cgf]

Who can we get to start at SG that puts us over the top to where we finally want to be? Somebody who can score at all 3 levels and can run the bench unit with our spacers Gimes/DD and defender Hart?

LaVine?

Donovan Mitchell?

What will we do with all these draft picks?

Find out on the next episode of 2023 NY Knicks !

Nobody. Booker's the only one who could get us where we want to go but he's not available. We can get a nice stop gap though.

[Ma10]

Give Deuce a chance, he can't shoot this **** all the time.